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How can someone be so involved in environmental causes and then do business with the worst environmental terrorist of them all?

It's all about the almighty $$$, like everything else in this world we live in.

Soraya wrote:Your refusing to understand that I can think calling Mexicans nasty names, simply because they are Mexican is arrogant (amoung other things) doesn't make the fact that I have opinions that differ from yours in some regards arrogent. I am not seeking to deny anyone anything.

You are continuing to pick a fight by proof texting and taking things out of context.....how are you going to twist this?

If using your own words against you is what you consider picking a fight, maybe you need to choose your words more carefully.

tjtryon wrote:

ParrotHeadDan wrote: *snip* (not worth quoting...)

Um, how about the handicap guy that I see just inside every Walmart door I walk into, who's sole job is to tell me "Welcome to Walmart". I forgot, he'd probably be better off getting a job elsewhere, no? If it's not the handicap guy, there's the little old lady in her 70's. Maybe she can work elsewhere? Yeah, I know, she can work for the local electric company, standing at the door, to exclaim a welcome for all to come pay their bill. Or maybe as a greeter at a car dealership for people coming in to purchase a car. Ever seen a greeter at other places? I haven't, and I think it is pretty cool that Walmart trys to find positions for anyone who applies, no matter of age, ability or intelligence....

Like I said, I occasionally shop at Walmart, and I am a BIG supporter of our local small businesses as well. I just don't think you are looking at the big picture if this... All big companies do evil. All big companies do good as well.

*** Did you know, if you have a not for profit corporation, you can walk into your walmart once a year, ask for the manager, and they will give you $300 on the spot? ***

This is actually pretty funny. Mainly because of the reason that Walmart employs elderly and handicaped people as greeters. TJ, do you know the reason? Well, I will tell you it's not because they are great humanitarians who want to serve a greater good or because they are soooo open to all to work for them for the WHOPPING $240 a week reguardless of age or handicap (just don't be a woman trying to get far in their management, but if your a Mexican here without docs....COME ON IN...remember the hot water they got into in So Cal?). It's because they have found that having a greeter cuts the amount of shoplifting in their stores. And in their research they found that this is especially true if said greeter is a "sympathetic figure". YES TJ WALMART REPRESENTS EVERYTHING THAT IS GOOD IN (...or err...wrong with) CORPORATE AMERICA.

"Ya know....come to think of it Walmart is a great company along the same lines of Philip Morris in fact they share a lot of common ground in how they talk about and market to their customers...especially true in some of the internal company memo's that have gotten out.

LIPH wrote:

Soraya wrote:Your refusing to understand that I can think calling Mexicans nasty names, simply because they are Mexican is arrogant (amoung other things) doesn't make the fact that I have opinions that differ from yours in some regards arrogent. I am not seeking to deny anyone anything.

You are continuing to pick a fight by proof texting and taking things out of context.....how are you going to twist this?

If using your own words against you is what you consider picking a fight, maybe you need to choose your words more carefully.

But you didn't use my own words....you took them out of context at the very least. Twisted them with bad intent at the very worst.

I'll stand by my words...I won't put up with what you've tried to do.

SMLCHNG wrote:WHO IS JOHN GALT?

rednekkPH wrote:

big hat carmen wrote:

rednekkPH wrote:To all who refuse to shop at Walmart, I offer the a sincere thank you. For it is people like you who make the check-out lines shorter for the rest of us.

I think I was in line behind Frank

Sorry about that price check on nightcrawlers...

Frank's why I use self check out

BoozeInTheBlender wrote: How can someone be so involved in environmental causes and then do business with the worst environmental terrorist of them all?

It's all about the almighty $$$, like everything else in this world we live in.

Not sure if this has already been said, but just because someone is involved with a couple of environmental causes doesn't necessarily mean they are an environmentalist, or that they devote their life to it. Just because JB supports some causes, I'm not sure why he's automatically labelled an environmentalist and evil because he deals with Walmart (disregarding the fact that some people just hate walmart). Maybe he just really likes Manatees.

Soroya wrote:

LIPH wrote:If using your own words against you is what you consider picking a fight, maybe you need to choose your words more carefully.

But you didn't use my own words....you took them out of context at the very least. Twisted them with bad intent at the very worst.

I'll stand by my words...I won't put up with what you've tried to do.

Then whose words did I use when I quoted your post?

You asked Frank "how arrogant can you get?" If you don't believe me you can go back to page 6 and see it in your post. On page 7 I quoted your earlier post where you said in a perfect world nobody would do business with Wal Mart. I then said "Not quite as arrogant as this." It's not out of context because as I said once before, arrogance is arrogance no matter what the issue being discussed is. I had no bad intent, unless you think pointing out hypocrisy is bad intent. Your perfect world would deny millions of people the right to choose to do business with Wal Mart because you don't like the company. That, in my opinion, is an arrogant, not to say elitist, position.

excuse the interruption......LEARN TO SPELL PEOPLE!!!!!!!!
Thank you...

Cubbie Bear wrote:

big hat carmen wrote:

Soraya wrote:[quote="LIPH"
You have options, I have options.....does the rural woman that goes to the only pharmacy in town, because Wal-mart squashed all the competition for miles around (providing she also has transportation) have options when Wal-mart refuses to stock the drug she needs?

Where in rural America is this happening? I live in a rural town where Wal-Mart is present along with 5 other pharmacies, including a local where drug prices can be up to 50% higher than some chains. In fact, there is another large chain pharmacy currently building so I don't see where Wal-Mart is drivng out competetion.

There are 18 pharmacies in the Clinton phone book, today. Since I make the phone book, I have access to great knowledge, there were 12 the year before Walmart came here

Plus the fact that with a lot, if not most plans, you can have your medication put on an auto mail plan that saves you money. Drugstore.com also offers an auto mail plan. There's always other options if Walmart isn't a preference.

sunseeker wrote:excuse the interruption......LEARN TO SPELL PEOPLE!!!!!!!!
Thank you...

Hold your breath on that one

sy wrote:

sunseeker wrote:excuse the interruption......LEARN TO SPELL PEOPLE!!!!!!!!
Thank you...

Hold your breath on that one

it just drive me insane......ohhh nevermind

sy wrote:

BoozeInTheBlender wrote: How can someone be so involved in environmental causes and then do business with the worst environmental terrorist of them all?

It's all about the almighty $$$, like everything else in this world we live in.

Not sure if this has already been said, but just because someone is involved with a couple of environmental causes doesn't necessarily mean they are an environmentalist, or that they devote their life to it. Just because JB supports some causes, I'm not sure why he's automatically labelled an environmentalist and evil because he deals with Walmart (disregarding the fact that some people just hate walmart). Maybe he just really likes Manatees.

Ok... maybe I misread a few things:

"Singing for Change offers competitive grants to progressive, community-based, nonprofit organizations that address the root causes of social and environmental problems." (Quoted from the SFC Web Site)

SFC AREAS OF INTEREST:

Children and families
Grants are awarded to programs that are concerned with the health, education and protection of children and their families. Projects that foster self-esteem and self-sufficiency and that teach nonviolence and creative problem solving are most likely to be considered.

The environment
Grants will be awarded to programs that promote environmental awareness and teach people methods of conservation, protection and the responsible use of natural
resources. Efforts to protect individual species or animals are not usually funded by SFC. (Quoted from the SFC Web Site)By: Jimmy Buffett, Matt Betton
Recorded live 1990 on the Feeding Frenzy tour
-- Spoken:
"This is a little song called Everlasting Moon about what some people did to preserve the environment."

The sky revealed the rumor
In a misty gray cocoon
Some angry baby-boomers
Stole the everlasting moon

They found a new location
Clear and poison free
In a distant constellation
Oh, they called it lunacy

Chorus:
Hangin' in the sky
The perfect alibi
Baby come outside with me
There's a moon you've got to see
Smiling every place
With his laser-painted face
Light of love in each moonbeam
Want you step into my dream
Everlasting moon (everlasting moon, everlasting moon)

Back when nature ruled the heavens
Oh gypsies, fools, and loons
Were dragged across the ocean
By that everlasting moon

When it goes from full to crescent
I move in and out of tune
It's the envy of the Kremlin
It's our everlasting moon

Chorus:
Shinin' in the sky
The perfect alibi
Baby come outside with me
There's this moon you've got to see
Smiling every place
With his laser-painted face
Light of love in each moonbeam
Want you step into my dream
Everlasting moon (everlasting moon)
Everlasting moon (everlasting moon)


But hey...maybe that is the old Jimmy...although I do kinda think he owes me some money back for SFC since he isn't an "enviromentalist".

And by the by... Walmart doesn't do such wonderful things for families and children either....another group that is supposed to be supported by SFC. But maybe they are supported after they have worked for the below poverty level wages paid by Walmart.

I guess I shouldn't really expect so much. It seems to be the new vogue to be a do as I say not as I do liberal. Barbra Streisand (the most outspoken left winger) tells people not to drive SUV's and then she drives EVERYWHERE in a 75 foot long tour bus because she doesn't like public restrooms...WTF? Who does?

So....like I said...I just expect too much.

Hey, all you people who love and support Walmart...thanks for helping to destroy small business like mine and thousands if not eventually millions like it in this country....thank god that we can now all go get low paying jobs at bigboxmart so that we can barely afford the bare essentials that are so low priced at Walmart!

If you would like to see a really funny parody of what all of our lives will be like go to www.jibjab.com and watch the BigBoxMart movie....it's only a few minutes and I think really sums it up.

sunseeker wrote:excuse the interruption......LEARN TO SPELL PEOPLE!!!!!!!!
Thank you...

It's not "peepul"? DAMMMIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! a promising Scripps-Howard career, shot down in flames.

ParrotHeadDan wrote:Hey, all you people who love and support Walmart...thanks for helping to destroy small business like mine and thousands if not eventually millions like it in this country....

If you can match Walmart's price on an item or provide me some sort of service that makes it more worthwhile to shop at your store, I would still shop there.

Otherwise, I'm going on price.

That's just how competition works and I, the consumer, wins.

Weher is the Luve?????

Great thing about this world is evryone is different

i'm proud to say i've never set foot in a walmart....

Key Lime Lee wrote:

ParrotHeadDan wrote:Hey, all you people who love and support Walmart...thanks for helping to destroy small business like mine and thousands if not eventually millions like it in this country....

If you can match Walmart's price on an item or provide me some sort of service that makes it more worthwhile to shop at your store, I would still shop there.

Otherwise, I'm going on price.

That's just how competition works and I, the consumer, wins.

You obviously do not get it. A small business cannot compete with Walmart. They strong arm suppliers to drive down their prices and make them agree that they will not sell the same product to a competitor at the same or lower price. This serves to drive down not only their prices but also the profit margins of their suppliers or they must move jobs or production overseas (generally to the wonderful country of Communist China).

This is not capitalism and it is not competition. It is in effect a monopoly, or if you prefer call it: managed competition. Unfortunately it is the Loard of the Flies effect. It doesn't matter what service the small business provides generally people will head for what they perceive is the lowest price. Lowest price at what cost is the question.

ParrotHeadDan wrote: Hey, all you people who love and support Walmart...thanks for helping to destroy small business like mine and thousands if not eventually millions like it in this country....thank god that we can now all go get low paying jobs at bigboxmart so that we can barely afford the bare essentials that are so low priced at Walmart!

I will not deny the fact that small businesses go out of business due to larger businesses undercutting, but in reality, that is business. I live in an area where there are 2 large walmarts within 5 miles. Some small businesses went under, but enough didn't. They are alive and well. Some had to change when the walmart/homedepot/big businesses went in, but that's also the way business goes. Business is not friendly, and I don't think anyone can be fooled into believing it is. People will go where the best price is if the product can be found anywhere, or people will go where the quality is if price isn't a factor. That's just a fact of life.

Whether it's good, bad, or just plain stinks, there are two sides. Small businesses go out of business and people are out of work because big business takes their customers. But then, people can provide for their families because walmart or whatever business is cheaper.

I run two small businesses, and I fight the generic, cheaper, mass produced world as well. Right or wrong, that's the business model of the world nowadays.