Five Students Arrested in Alleged School Shooting Plot

[Soraya]

..and it seems that since we can't seem to improve on that aspect in this A.D.D.-plagued society we're becoming,

I am not aware that any of the children involved in this have ADD. You aren't trying to imply that people with ADD are somehow more prone to such anti-social behavior, are you?

[Sam]

Face it, it doesn't affect a HUGE portion of law-abiding, "normal" folks who don't mess with firearms anyway.

No, but it does affect the armed portion of law abiding normal folks. Wanna come and try to take mine?

..and that's the kind of response we hear every time.

Long-bore hunting rifles are one thing, but handguns are another completely.
In my mind, restrictions would be made tighter in metropolitan areas.

That shows how much you know about shooting and competitive shooting.
You are falling or have fell for the often repeated lie about handguns are worthless for anything but killing.
Find out how much a concealed carry permit would cost you in the area you live. I am not telling you get one, I am just saying find out how much one cost to get.

How about Rosie O'Donell not wanting anyone to own a firearm yet has or had at least one bodygaurd that did?? Is her life or family more important than mine or yours or anyone eles's? She can afford bodyguards. How many of the rest of us can?

What would you rather hold in your hand to protect yourself and family with, when the $#!+ hits the fan? A cell/ or other phone or a handgun that you are legally licensed to carry and know how to use?

If you choose the phone option, I wish you all the best and no harm occurs between the lifetimes you go through, in the time it takes authorities to arrive. If you choose the firearm option, I hope you never have to use it and you and yours are as equally safe.

[krusin1]

Also, has anyone ever stopped to think that we wouldn't have these recurring school shootings (in this case planned but not carried out) and massacres if these kids didn't have ready access to guns and ammo?

I guess that goes back to bad parenting. When I was in high school I had a boyfriend that was really into black powder guns. I don't think his parents, who are basic, decent sorts of parents, had ANY clue how many he owned. He used his own money.

Unless you want get into the larger 2nd admendment issue....it boils down to parenting.

..and it seems that since we can't seem to improve on that aspect in this A.D.D.-plagued society we're becoming,
maybe it IS time for government to establish stricter laws.

Face it, it doesn't affect a HUGE portion of law-abiding, "normal" folks who don't mess with firearms anyway. We shouldn't be scared by the paranoid,
constitution-toting "defenders of our rights" who would have you believe that armegeddon would erupt.
Do you see that happening in Canada?

Meanwhile, back at the discussion... it's about the students who were going to do this, not about the firearms.

Now, just for a different perspective... seems to me that maybe things are actually improving a little after all. Think about it. Columbine actually took place, but this one got stopped because people are paying attention and are willing to take action to prevent tragedy.

The fact that our society has awakened to the problem and is now working to prevent such is a good sign.

In fact, there are some "generational researchers" that say what's happening in society right now is actually a cyclical thing. Every four generations, the cycle repeats and similar things happen. The good news is that each generation learns from the problems of the past and takes action to correct them.

That indicates that today's kids, who will remember Columbine, are going to take steps to make sure their kids don't have such problems.

BTW... The kids who graduate from about 2000 to about 2022 are supposed to be very much like the WWII generation was - great for civic service, building institutions, getting things done, law and order, economic greatness, etc. etc..

Think they're right?

[ph4ever]

I have a question to raise to everyone participating.

Do you think the problem is the firearms or the mental stability of the children?? It seems to me as if this is becomming a fire arms discussion and isn't the real problem the children's mental state?

I mean if they really truly wanted to kill a bunch of people, yes firearms are the quickest and fastest way but they could also achieve their purpose by other slower means.

IMHO it's the mentality of todays kids that's the real issue.

[RinglingRingling]

I have a question to raise to everyone participating.

Do you think the problem is the firearms or the mental stability of the children?? It seems to me as if this is becomming a fire arms discussion and isn't the real problem the children's mental state?

I mean if they really truly wanted to kill a bunch of people, yes firearms are the quickest and fastest way but they could also achieve their purpose by other slower means.

IMHO it's the mentality of todays kids that's the real issue.

you could also make an argument that had they really wanted to succeed, they wouldn't have been babbling in an internet chat room.

That said, I've seen the game from both sides. My sister was the jock in the family, the talented one, and the popular one in HS. Her circle of friends were vicious in their assessment of folks based on looks, family status, the like.

My crew of friends were the folks not cool enough to hang with the 'heads; athletic enough to be jocks; and not geeky enough to be the brain-trust. (Tho, oddly enough, we did have the class valedictorian, a couple motorheads, and a couple second-string jocks in the group... in short, the misfit crew). Jocks were merciless then, and doubt things hae changed all that much.

Best revenge was the last class reunion. The jocks were still clustered together, reliving their glory days. Most of them hadn't gotten more than 100 miles away from where they were born, and their best days were when they were 16-18.

Unfortunately, you don't realize this when you are 16 and you can't see the way past avoiding the next beating.

[ph4ever]

I have a question to raise to everyone participating.

Do you think the problem is the firearms or the mental stability of the children?? It seems to me as if this is becomming a fire arms discussion and isn't the real problem the children's mental state?

I mean if they really truly wanted to kill a bunch of people, yes firearms are the quickest and fastest way but they could also achieve their purpose by other slower means.

IMHO it's the mentality of todays kids that's the real issue.

you could also make an argument that had they really wanted to succeed, they wouldn't have been babbling in an internet chat room.

That said, I've seen the game from both sides. My sister was the jock in the family, the talented one, and the popular one in HS. Her circle of friends were vicious in their assessment of folks based on looks, family status, the like.

My crew of friends were the folks not cool enough to hang with the 'heads; athletic enough to be jocks; and not geeky enough to be the brain-trust. (Tho, oddly enough, we did have the class valedictorian, a couple motorheads, and a couple second-string jocks in the group... in short, the misfit crew). Jocks were merciless then, and doubt things hae changed all that much.

Best revenge was the last class reunion. The jocks were still clustered together, reliving their glory days. Most of them hadn't gotten more than 100 miles away from where they were born, and their best days were when they were 16-18.

Unfortunately, you don't realize this when you are 16 and you can't see the way past avoiding the next beating.

funny - my son has basically been told the same story. And now that he's away from where he grew up he sees the childshness in some of his friends that stayed home.

[ragtopW]

I have a question to raise to everyone participating.

Do you think the problem is the firearms or the mental stability of the children?? It seems to me as if this is becomming a fire arms discussion and isn't the real problem the children's mental state?

I mean if they really truly wanted to kill a bunch of people, yes firearms are the quickest and fastest way but they could also achieve their purpose by other slower means.

IMHO it's the mentality of todays kids that's the real issue.

Connie IMHO if What's his name had a molotov or two
and not a pistol

we would have been short a President.. and a press Secretaty.. and
a few more..