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Five Students Arrested in Alleged School Shooting Plot

Posted: April 21, 2006 10:44 am
by Sam
SHEESH!!! WHAT THE BLEEP IS WRONG WITH PEOPLE???

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Updated: 06:09 AM EDT

Five Students Arrested in Alleged School Shooting Plot
Authorities Say Message Warning of Attack Appeared on MySpace.com
By MARCUS KABEL, AP

RIVERTON, Kan. (April 21) - Five teenage boys fully intended to go on a shooting spree at their high school but were stopped after one of them discussed the plot on a Web site, law enforcement and school officials said.

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David Stonner, The Joplin Globe/AP
Students leave Riverton High School on Thursday. Five teenage boys stand accused of plotting to kill other students in a shooting rampage on the anniversary of the Columbine massacre.


The boys, ranging in age from 16 to 18, were arrested Thursday, the anniversary of the Columbine massacre, just hours before they planned to shoot fellow students and school employees, authorities said.

"What the resounding theme is: They were actually going to do this," Cherokee County Sheriff Steve Norman said.

The suspects are expected to appear in court Friday, when charges are likely to be announced, said Attorney General Phill Kline, whose office took over the prosecution at the request of the county attorney.

"I think there was probably some bullying, name calling, chastising."
-Steve Norman, on a possible motive

The four suspects younger than 18 were being held Thursday at a juvenile detention center in Girard. The 18-year-old was in the Cherokee County Jail. No decision has been made on whether to charge the four juveniles as adults, Kline said.

Four suspects were arrested at their homes; the fifth was taken into custody at the school. None of the teens' names were released.

Sheriff's deputies found guns, ammunition, knives and coded messages in the bedroom of one suspect, Norman said. Authorities also found documents about firearms and references to Armageddon in two suspects' school lockers.

Officials assured the community that the 270 or so students at Riverton High School were safe and school would continue as normal Friday.

Deputies' interviews with the suspects indicated they planned to wear black trench coats and disable the school's camera system before starting the attack between noon and 1 p.m. Thursday, Norman said. The suspects apparently had been plotting since the beginning of the school year.

School officials began investigating on Tuesday after learning that a threatening message had been posted on MySpace.com, he said.

The sheriff said the message discussed the significance of April 20, which is Adolf Hitler's birthday and the anniversary of the 1999 Columbine High School attack in Colorado, in which two students wearing trench coats killed 13 people and committed suicide.

"The message, it was brief, but it stated that there was going to be a shooting at the Riverton school and that people should wear bulletproof vests and flak jackets," Norman said.

School officials identified the student who posted the message and talked to several of his friends, he said.

But Riverton school district Superintendent David Walters said the significance of the threat did not become clear until Wednesday night, after a woman in North Carolina who had chatted with one of the suspects on Myspace.com received more specific information that there would be about a dozen potential victims, at least one of whom was a staff member. She notified authorities in her state, who contacted the sheriff's department, Norman said.

He said that the potential victims were popular students and that the suspects may have been bullied.

"I think there was probably some bullying, name calling, chastising," Norman said. He also said investigators had learned the suspects were computer buffs who liked violent video games.

MySpace.com - a social networking hub with more 72 million members - released a statement declining to discuss the case because of the investigation, adding that it has provided users with mechanisms to report inappropriate content.

Barbara Gibson, a 17-year-old junior at the high school, said her classmates didn't seem too bothered by the threat.

"A lot of people just talked about it," she said. "But there wasn't much reaction."

Riverton is an unincorporated area of about 600 people along what once was the famed Route 66 in southeast Kansas, near the Oklahoma and Missouri borders.

Associated Press Writer Heather Hollingsworth in Kansas City, Mo., contributed to this report.

04-21-06 04:26 EDT

Posted: April 21, 2006 11:17 am
by CaptainP
If the Burlington, Wisconsin precedent is used, they will get NO PUNISHMENT.

In that case (my alma mater), since the Police arrested the kids BEFORE THEY KILLED ANYONE, the kids were able to walk with just a slap on the wrist.

The Police were basically told they should have let them shoot someone first. Don't prevent crime, just arrest people afterwards. :evil: :evil: :evil:

Posted: April 21, 2006 11:39 am
by Sam
CaptainP wrote:If the Burlington, Wisconsin precedent is used, they will get NO PUNISHMENT.

In that case (my alma mater), since the Police arrested the kids BEFORE THEY KILLED ANYONE, the kids were able to walk with just a slap on the wrist.

The Police were basically told they should have let them shoot someone first. Don't prevent crime, just arrest people afterwards. :evil: :evil: :evil:
Something MUST BE done to help stop this sort of conduct from continuing.
I would tend to think this would qualify under "domestic terrorism" and they need to be prosecuted and punished.

I don't know what can/will be done, since they already seem to have a deathwish. Apparently they have no respect for the lives of others either.

Maybe vivisect their brains and find out whatever causes such "negative" behavior. At least one of them is 18 and should be tried as an adult.

Posted: April 21, 2006 12:27 pm
by Soraya
Sam wrote:Maybe vivisect their brains and find out whatever causes such "negative" behavior.
They already know....these kids, like the others, were bullied and as it looks now, no adult stepped in to stop it.

This doesn't mean that these kids don't deserve punishment....they do.....but why it happens isn't exactly a mystery.

Posted: April 21, 2006 12:50 pm
by krusin1
Soraya wrote:
Sam wrote:Maybe vivisect their brains and find out whatever causes such "negative" behavior.
They already know....these kids, like the others, were bullied and as it looks now, no adult stepped in to stop it.

This doesn't mean that these kids don't deserve punishment....they do.....but why it happens isn't exactly a mystery.
You have a point... to a point. While bullying was almost certainly a factor, it's also in all likelihood not the only factor. Lack of parenting, lack of supervision away from school, indulgence by parents, being allowed to fixate on negative societal stereotypes, even mental illness could play a part here.

Don't get me wrong, bullying is awful and has to be stopped, but it will take a lot more than just preventing bullying at school to put an end to this kind of nightmare...

Posted: April 21, 2006 12:56 pm
by Sam
Soraya wrote:
Sam wrote:Maybe vivisect their brains and find out whatever causes such "negative" behavior.
They already know....these kids, like the others, were bullied and as it looks now, no adult stepped in to stop it.

This doesn't mean that these kids don't deserve punishment....they do.....but why it happens isn't exactly a mystery.
From something else I saw it said they were "suspected" of being bullied but no one was really sure.

Even if it was bullies ( including the teacher/school official) bullies have been around since the beginning.
Students in the past, did not result to slaughtering/murdering people for such. Kicking their A$$ maybe, but not going "postal" and shooting and murdering people that were not involved.

They had this planned to the anniversary day of Columbine and other tragic and not so nice events that have occured on that same day.
Bullies may well be part of the reason, but the overeaction and the resulting consequences are not. Some people say or feel they will kill someone or would like to kill someone and never mean it and have no intention of carrying it out.

Posted: April 21, 2006 12:58 pm
by Sam
krusin1 wrote:
Soraya wrote:
Sam wrote:Maybe vivisect their brains and find out whatever causes such "negative" behavior.
They already know....these kids, like the others, were bullied and as it looks now, no adult stepped in to stop it.

This doesn't mean that these kids don't deserve punishment....they do.....but why it happens isn't exactly a mystery.
You have a point... to a point. While bullying was almost certainly a factor, it's also in all likelihood not the only factor. Lack of parenting, lack of supervision away from school, indulgence by parents, being allowed to fixate on negative societal stereotypes, even mental illness could play a part here.

Don't get me wrong, bullying is awful and has to be stopped, but it will take a lot more than just preventing bullying at school to put an end to this kind of nightmare...
Wkrusin1S!!!

Posted: April 21, 2006 3:27 pm
by flyboy55
Sam wrote:
CaptainP wrote:If the Burlington, Wisconsin precedent is used, they will get NO PUNISHMENT.

In that case (my alma mater), since the Police arrested the kids BEFORE THEY KILLED ANYONE, the kids were able to walk with just a slap on the wrist.

The Police were basically told they should have let them shoot someone first. Don't prevent crime, just arrest people afterwards. :evil: :evil: :evil:
Something MUST BE done to help stop this sort of conduct from continuing.
I would tend to think this would qualify under "domestic terrorism" and they need to be prosecuted and punished.

I don't know what can/will be done, since they already seem to have a deathwish. Apparently they have no respect for the lives of others either.

Maybe vivisect their brains and find out whatever causes such "negative" behavior. At least one of them is 18 and should be tried as an adult.
Before everyone goes off "half-cocked", let's remember we are basically talking about a bunch of kids here.

Also, has anyone ever stopped to think that we wouldn't have these recurring school shootings (in this case planned but not carried out) and massacres if these kids didn't have ready access to guns and ammo?

Just a thought.

Cheers.

Posted: April 21, 2006 3:36 pm
by rednekkPH
Oh boy, here we go again...

Posted: April 21, 2006 3:38 pm
by LIPH
Popcorn?

Posted: April 21, 2006 3:39 pm
by tikitatas
LIPH wrote:Popcorn?
Butter AND salt, please!

Posted: April 21, 2006 3:42 pm
by Soraya
flyboy55 wrote:Also, has anyone ever stopped to think that we wouldn't have these recurring school shootings (in this case planned but not carried out) and massacres if these kids didn't have ready access to guns and ammo?
I guess that goes back to bad parenting. When I was in high school I had a boyfriend that was really into black powder guns. I don't think his parents, who are basic, decent sorts of parents, had ANY clue how many he owned. He used his own money.

Unless you want get into the larger 2nd admendment issue....it boils down to parenting.

Posted: April 21, 2006 3:51 pm
by buffettbride
It's always fun to come to the fights and hope that some BN might break out.

Posted: April 21, 2006 3:59 pm
by Lightning Bolt
Soraya wrote:
flyboy55 wrote:Also, has anyone ever stopped to think that we wouldn't have these recurring school shootings (in this case planned but not carried out) and massacres if these kids didn't have ready access to guns and ammo?
I guess that goes back to bad parenting. When I was in high school I had a boyfriend that was really into black powder guns. I don't think his parents, who are basic, decent sorts of parents, had ANY clue how many he owned. He used his own money.

Unless you want get into the larger 2nd admendment issue....it boils down to parenting.
..and it seems that since we can't seem to improve on that aspect in this A.D.D.-plagued society we're becoming,
maybe it IS time for government to establish stricter laws.

Face it, it doesn't affect a HUGE portion of law-abiding, "normal" folks who don't mess with firearms anyway. We shouldn't be scared by the paranoid,
constitution-toting "defenders of our rights" who would have you believe that armegeddon would erupt.
Do you see that happening in Canada?

Posted: April 21, 2006 4:01 pm
by jbfinscj
They should get 50 years to life...I don't have time for people like this.

Posted: April 21, 2006 4:02 pm
by ph4ever
The bullying in school has gotten so very intense as the years have progressed. My son was bullied in junior high school. I can remember many a time he shed a tear over things that were said to him and done to him. Then that growth spurt hit. (He's now like 6'2 or 6'3"). Suddenly people quit bullying him, he developed his looks and by the time he graduated high school he was one of the leaders in his high school.

I would like to think that the support we gave him and the talks we had to him during the bad times helped him to grow into the fine young man he is.

That being said, because I was active in his high school activities, I saw kids who were just - lost obviously. For example at high school football games I saw harrassment towards certain students and things being said that really chilled my bones. It was awful. And yes it seemed as if the kids involved, on both sides lacked for a certain amount of parental supervision - at least at the game. I know as parents we like to think our kids are mature enough to do right but sometimes we just don't know. And there are some kids whose parents just don't give a crap too.

I think it's high time that parents, students, teachers, adminstrators and the public realize that some of our kids are really going astray. It's time to step up to the plate and recognize signs and point them out to the proper authorities (CUDOS TO THE PERSON THAT DID THIS IN THIS CASE) but we should all be aware of it and if necessary make reports to proper authorities any time actions are questionable.

There's an old saying - It takes a village to raise a child.

After all - these kids ARE our future.

Posted: April 21, 2006 4:05 pm
by rednekkPH
Lightning Bolt wrote:Face it, it doesn't affect a HUGE portion of law-abiding, "normal" folks who don't mess with firearms anyway.
No, but it does affect the armed portion of law abiding normal folks. Wanna come and try to take mine?

Posted: April 21, 2006 4:09 pm
by Lightning Bolt
rednekkPH wrote:
Lightning Bolt wrote:Face it, it doesn't affect a HUGE portion of law-abiding, "normal" folks who don't mess with firearms anyway.
No, but it does affect the armed portion of law abiding normal folks. Wanna come and try to take mine?
..and that's the kind of response we hear every time.

Long-bore hunting rifles are one thing, but handguns are another completely.
In my mind, restrictions would be made tighter in metropolitan areas.

Posted: April 21, 2006 4:12 pm
by Sam
flyboy55 wrote:
Sam wrote:
CaptainP wrote:If the Burlington, Wisconsin precedent is used, they will get NO PUNISHMENT.

In that case (my alma mater), since the Police arrested the kids BEFORE THEY KILLED ANYONE, the kids were able to walk with just a slap on the wrist.

The Police were basically told they should have let them shoot someone first. Don't prevent crime, just arrest people afterwards. :evil: :evil: :evil:
Something MUST BE done to help stop this sort of conduct from continuing.
I would tend to think this would qualify under "domestic terrorism" and they need to be prosecuted and punished.

I don't know what can/will be done, since they already seem to have a deathwish. Apparently they have no respect for the lives of others either.

Maybe vivisect their brains and find out whatever causes such "negative" behavior. At least one of them is 18 and should be tried as an adult.
Before everyone goes off "half-cocked", let's remember we are basically talking about a bunch of kids here.

Also, has anyone ever stopped to think that we wouldn't have these recurring school shootings (in this case planned but not carried out) and massacres if these kids didn't have ready access to guns and ammo?

Just a thought.

Cheers.
Let's see here Firearm Laws have grown more stricter over the years certainly it was far easier to buy a fire arm before 1968 BATF Legislation was passed.
Everyone I grew up with had access to firearms. Nothing like this or the previous mentioned situations ever happened.

I know you have heard this before but blaming crime on firearms is the same as blaming spelling errors on pencils and pens.

Again I say it is something wrong with the mentality of the individuals. At least one individual in the group is 18. That makes him an adult.
I cannot say it is the parents,fault or whatit is, but it is not the firearms fault. At Columbine the individuals that caused it had made several propane bombs. I have as of yet to hear of anyone blaming propane for the crime.

One can look at states that have made it easier for a citizen to carry a concealed weapon and see the drop off, in non drug related crime. Obviously if firearms caused and committed crimes there would be a rise in such crimes. THAT has NOT happened.

If one suspects there is such a correlation that firearms cause crime then I refer you to works by Professor Gary Kleck. Here are a couple of links for further info about him and his findings.

http://www.pulpless.com/gunclock/kleck2.html

http://www.saf.org/LawReviews/KleckAndGertz2.htm

Posted: April 21, 2006 4:13 pm
by rednekkPH
Lightning Bolt wrote:[In my mind, restrictions would be made tighter in metropolitan areas.
Fine with me. I avoid such areas like the plague.