To what extent...

DonnaKayDunbar · Post by **DonnaKayDunbar** » May 2, 2006 12:19 am

Just curious.

ragtopW · Post by **ragtopW** » May 2, 2006 12:22 am

I was walking home from the movie two weeks ago
and had to wait for thirty minutes for the pre protest protest went by

learn to speak english

yes you are a criminal if you break the law..

SchoolGirlHeart · Post by **SchoolGirlHeart** » May 2, 2006 12:30 am

This subject really gets my blood pressure up.

IMHO, there are two different topics here that people are trying to make into one.

It seems like people with an agenda are trying to equate immigration and ILLEGAL immigration.

LEGAL immigrants have rights. ILLEGAL immigrants do not enjoy nor do they deserve the rights that legal immigrants are afforded.

My great-grandparents were immigrants. My husband is an immigrant. LEGAL, all of them. The didn't come here expecting it to be like back home. They adapted to living here. They never asked for an special consideration.

Of *course* immigrants are important to this country. We are all either immigrants or descendants of immigrants. But to equate illegal immigrants with legal immigrants disrespects those who have invested the time and the money to be here legally.

ragtopW · Post by **ragtopW** » May 2, 2006 12:33 am

SchoolGirlHeart wrote:This subject really gets my blood pressure up.

IMHO, there are two different topics here that people are trying to make into one.

It seems like people with an agenda are trying to equate immigration and ILLEGAL immigration.

LEGAL immigrants have rights. ILLEGAL immigrants do not enjoy nor do they deserve the rights that legal immigrants are afforded.

My great-grandparents were immigrants. My husband is an immigrant. LEGAL, all of them. The didn't come here expecting it to be like back home. They adapted to living here. They never asked for an special consideration.

Of *course* immigrants are important to this country. We are all either immigrants or descendants of immigrants. But to equate illegal immigrants with legal immigrants disrespects those who have invested the time and the money to be here legally.

wait till you get reamed because you do not have this language or that

" My Mother has lived over hear 30 years and it's time for you americans to provide her with a tv show in her native tounge"

AlbatrossFlyer · Post by **AlbatrossFlyer** » May 2, 2006 12:34 am

not at all, but then again technically i'm an immigrant in canakianland

ragtopW · Post by **ragtopW** » May 2, 2006 12:35 am

AlbatrossFlyer wrote:not at all, but then again technically i'm an immigrant in canakianland

sooo you are really a treetop flyer????

SchoolGirlHeart · Post by **SchoolGirlHeart** » May 2, 2006 12:38 am

AlbatrossFlyer wrote:not at all, but then again technically i'm an immigrant in canakianland

are you ever coming back to the motherland?

good to see you, AF!

SchoolGirlHeart · Post by **SchoolGirlHeart** » May 2, 2006 12:39 am

ragtopW wrote:" My Mother has lived over hear 30 years and it's time for you americans to provide her with a tv show in her native tounge"

And of course, my answer to that would be, "Your mother has lived here for over 30 years and hasn't had the time to learn English?"

AlbatrossFlyer · Post by **AlbatrossFlyer** » May 2, 2006 12:44 am

all i can say is if the landscaping company i hired to redo my backyard messes up the schedule because the help didn't show up for work there's gonna be hell to pay...

SchoolGirlHeart · Post by **SchoolGirlHeart** » May 2, 2006 12:45 am

AlbatrossFlyer wrote:all i can say is if the landscaping company i hired to redo my backyard messes up the schedule because the help didn't show up for work there's gonna be hell to pay...

don't blame you!

Post by **SMLCHNG** » May 2, 2006 12:47 am

SchoolGirlHeart wrote:It seems like people with an agenda are trying to equate immigration and ILLEGAL immigration.

LEGAL immigrants have rights. ILLEGAL immigrants do not enjoy nor do they deserve the rights that legal immigrants are afforded.

My great-grandparents were immigrants. My husband is an immigrant. LEGAL, all of them. The didn't come here expecting it to be like back home. They adapted to living here. They never asked for an special consideration.

Of *course* immigrants are important to this country. We are all either immigrants or descendants of immigrants. But to equate illegal immigrants with legal immigrants disrespects those who have invested the time and the money to be here legally.

wJs. Only my grandparents came from Czechoslovakia and Germany.

AlbatrossFlyer · Post by **AlbatrossFlyer** » May 2, 2006 12:51 am

i'm proud to say my family created this country..... and the so called native americans aren't natives they just immigrated earlier...

DonnaKayDunbar · Post by **DonnaKayDunbar** » May 2, 2006 12:51 am

SchoolGirlHeart wrote:This subject really gets my blood pressure up.

IMHO, there are two different topics here that people are trying to make into one.

It seems like people with an agenda are trying to equate immigration and ILLEGAL immigration.

LEGAL immigrants have rights. ILLEGAL immigrants do not enjoy nor do they deserve the rights that legal immigrants are afforded.

My great-grandparents were immigrants. My husband is an immigrant. LEGAL, all of them. The didn't come here expecting it to be like back home. They adapted to living here. They never asked for an special consideration.

Of *course* immigrants are important to this country. We are all either immigrants or descendants of immigrants. But to equate illegal immigrants with legal immigrants disrespects those who have invested the time and the money to be here legally.

Absolutely there's a difference. I'm all for rights for legal immigrants, and I'm all for letting people stay -- as long as they have their paperwork in order to become nationalized or citizens.

Just curious as to whose life was directly affected by "a day without immigrants".

Lightning Bolt · Post by **Lightning Bolt** » May 2, 2006 12:55 am

It's a helluva lot easier to be hard-line about this when you live up north

Try living in a southwestern city, where border security has been given the soft-sell for GENERATIONS.
As much as I agree with the general frustration that I read here,
I can see clearly (both out of my window and in my everyday life) how immigration and multi-cultural society ALREADY EXISTS in America,
and it WILL NOT BE SOLVED simply by saying "deport 'em all!"
It looked almost like a state holiday in Cali. There was a direct effect in the absence.

for once, George W. actually almost has the right read on this issue.

It just ain't cut and dry, secure our borders tomorrow...

SchoolGirlHeart · Post by **SchoolGirlHeart** » May 2, 2006 12:56 am

AlbatrossFlyer wrote:i'm proud to say my family created this country..... and the so called native americans are natives they just immigrated earlier...

yep, and congrats to your family. mine didn't arrive until the 1880s/1890s, and they were fortunate to be English speakers, but that didn't keep them from facing NINA (No Irish Need Apply) signs. I guess my family has helped preserve the way of life yours built, AF. Over three generations, we've served in the military in every war/conflict except Vietnam (two generations were too old, mine too young).

SchoolGirlHeart · Post by **SchoolGirlHeart** » May 2, 2006 1:03 am

DonnaKayDunbar wrote:Absolutely there's a difference. I'm all for rights for legal immigrants, and I'm all for letting people stay -- as long as they have their paperwork in order to become nationalized or citizens.

Just curious as to whose life was directly affected by "a day without immigrants".

I know, and not to ding you at all, but it seemed like the organizers of today's event want to lump ALL immigrants together, legal and illegal.

A day without immigrants? That's ALL of us, if you keep going back into the generations. Legal immigrants are no different than you and I, illegal immigrants could not be more different (not in the human sense, but in the legal rights sense).

SchoolGirlHeart · Post by **SchoolGirlHeart** » May 2, 2006 1:10 am

Lightning Bolt wrote:It's a helluva lot easier to be hard-line about this when you live up north

Sorry, LB, but I don't buy it. In the last few generations, the greatest influx of immigrants was to the northern cities. The immigrants of my parents' and grandparents' generation adapted to America, not the other way around. They didn't think anyone owed them anything besides a chance to make a better life through hard work.

And today, there is a large immigrant population in the north.

I realize that "deport them all" is overly simplistic and probably unrealistic. But letting them all stay, and giving them benefits paid for by my tax dollars is way more than I can stomach.

bumper · Post by **bumper** » May 2, 2006 1:11 am

traffic was extremely light today in the southland, thats a treat in itself.

What they want is amnesty for those illegals already on U.S. soil. Bingo, now yer legal.

Like my buddy says who is a superintendent for a large construction outfit. All he needs is a social security card and another form of ID, 20 bucks apiece in the back alleys of Santa Ana.

Lightning Bolt · Post by **Lightning Bolt** » May 2, 2006 1:26 am

SchoolGirlHeart wrote:
Lightning Bolt wrote:It's a helluva lot easier to be hard-line about this when you live up north
Sorry, LB, but I don't buy it. In the last few generations, the greatest influx of immigrants was to the northern cities. The immigrants of my parents' and grandparents' generation adapted to America, not the other way around. They didn't think anyone owed them anything besides a chance to make a better life through hard work.

And today, there is a large immigrant population in the north.

I realize that "deport them all" is overly simplistic and probably unrealistic. But letting them all stay, and giving them benefits paid for by my tax dollars is way more than I can stomach.

I'll give you the generational argument to the North...25 years ago... but you know it's a fraction of the TODAY'S numbers that is stirring the anti-immigration mongering in the Congress. The argument made is "we are a country of immigrants", but we know the HUGE influx is coming from the southern border, and that majority is settling in the Southwest.
Here's an interesting article from today...

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060430/ap_ ... ies_of_war

SchoolGirlHeart · Post by **SchoolGirlHeart** » May 2, 2006 1:36 am

Lightning Bolt wrote:I'll give you the generational argument to the North...25 years ago... but you know it's a fraction of the TODAY'S numbers that is stirring the anti-immigration mongering in the Congress. The argument made is "we are a country of immigrants", but we know the HUGE influx is coming from the southern border, and that majority is settling in the Southwest.
Here's an interesting article from today...

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060430/ap_ ... ies_of_war

I'm actually not talking about the last 25 years or so, but moreso the late 1800s through the 1950s. Without actually looking up the numbers, I think the percentages weren't too different. Yes, the numbers are huge today. And while the overall numbers of immigrants was smaller in the north two or three generations ago, I think the percentage probably wasn't too different. The northern cities were inundated with immigrants from norhtern Europe. It just wasn't quite as obvious at a glance, because they were mostly Causasian instead of Latino.