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buffettbride wrote:

pbans wrote:

buffettbride wrote:

pbans wrote:We happened to be staying at a casino in Mesquite, Nevada yesterday....

My sister used to work at a casino in Mesquite.

We were at the Virgin River.....I really like Mesquite!

I don't remember what it was called. It was a resort-casino thing. It's on the left side of the highway as you are driving toward Vegas. It was AGES ago, I was only 17 I think. She works at the Bellagio now as a craps dealer.

Could have been the Casablanca?... or the Oasis?
I'll be headed right through there in 72 hours on my into Utah/Colorado.

Update on last night in Vista:
Fortunately, the rowdy mob dispersed mostly peaceably with a few arrests and some scared newspeople who almost got their news vans tipped over.

But, how close are we to getting into REAL serious confrontations?

SchoolGirlHeart wrote:This subject really gets my blood pressure up.

IMHO, there are two different topics here that people are trying to make into one.

It seems like people with an agenda are trying to equate immigration and ILLEGAL immigration.

LEGAL immigrants have rights. ILLEGAL immigrants do not enjoy nor do they deserve the rights that legal immigrants are afforded.

My great-grandparents were immigrants. My husband is an immigrant. LEGAL, all of them. The didn't come here expecting it to be like back home. They adapted to living here. They never asked for an special consideration.

Of *course* immigrants are important to this country. We are all either immigrants or descendants of immigrants. But to equate illegal immigrants with legal immigrants disrespects those who have invested the time and the money to be here legally.

EXACTLY what SGH said (except about my grandparents, etc.).
There are TWO issues here. The theory of allowing immigrants into the U.S. is what the U.S. is about. The practice of allowing them to be here while I PAY for them, whether directly or indirectly, DISGUSTS me AND the immigrants who have taken the necessary steps to become LEGAL citizens.

Considering I'm a minority here, and most of the hispanics here come from Puerto Rico, I didn't even notice.

Not at all.

. Just seeing if this post will get deleted, too.

That's very PC

The part of this that everyone is overlooking is the employer's part in all of this. The solution isn't to just send them all back, it's to fine the crap out of the people who are employing the "undocumented" workers- if there weren't jobs for illegals, the temptation to come here illegally would dissipate for the people here looking for honest work. Until there's a financial incentive to hire legal workers, illegal workers have jobs, aka an incentive to break the law.

BFFTTWLD or DIE wrote:

Coconuts wrote:The part of this that everyone is overlooking is the employer's part in all of this. The solution isn't to just send them all back, it's to fine the crap out of the people who are employing the "undocumented" workers- if there weren't jobs for illegals, the temptation to come here illegally would dissipate for the people here looking for honest work. Until there's a financial incentive to hire legal workers, illegal workers have jobs, aka an incentive to break the law.

If they want to work here ILLEGALLY---well they first must understand that they are ILLEGAL---- They MUST and I mean MUST pay the same taxes we do, but more--double their taxes. If they are going to send money home---Guess what You are going to get TAXED again. Thats how I would solve the problem.

But that's still more than they would make at home. And taxing them (and making the employers pay taxes on those earnings, too) would require people already breaking the law to admit they're doing it and provide a financial incentive not to stop.

And it's illegal to hire them too. The people hiring undocumented workers are doing so because it's cheap labor- take away the profits and they'll stop hiring illegal immigrants. Take away the jobs, and we don't need a polarizing debate.

In Los Angeles I can honestly say I was affected by it in two words: LESS TRAFFIC

NO ILLEGALS=NO BURRITOS!!!
Life without Taco Bell would be like a week without a weekend. We just can't have that.

Not only are there two issues as to Legal v. Illegal Immigrants, but there are also two immigration bills.

One came from the House that everyone is protesting, that would make being an illegal immigrant a felony and would create a wall around our border.
The other is from the Senate and would put illegal immigrants on a path toward citizenship. Both bills have stalled in the opposite house, I believe.

I think the thing that p*** everyone off, is that defenders of immigration say that unless you are pure Native American, all Americans were immigrants at one point, so why should we discriminate against these new immigrants? However, when my ancestors arrived from the Netherlands, they adapted to American culture. They learned English and tried to assimilate. They did not expect to have their own Dutch tv (or in those days radio or newspaper) or any comforts of living in their own culture. They joined the military, became active in their community, and did whatever it took to fit in. Even today, one of my best friends was born in Britain, and is technically not a citizen. However, you wouldn't know it, unless you met his parents, because he doesn't have a hint of a British accent. I know there was no language barrier, but the British and American cultures are very different, and he has been able to assimilate.

However, many hispanic immigrants today simply don't learn the language or the culture, and when you ask them what country they are from, they say "Mexico" or "El Salvador" or whatever country they are from. Furthermore, the US is losing money because of the illegal immigrants that take their paycheck and send it back to their native land, and thus money is leaving the economy and it is not getting circulated back in.
I believe all of this is what is angering those who support immigration legislation, and it reached a crescendo with the Spanish "Star Spangled Banner" and the May Day boycott.