She Ain't Ready to Make Nice (and I don't blame her)

[Wino you know]

I have nothing against the military…I have everything against this war and the person that started it.

Yeah, I hate Osama Sahib Ben-Gay Ladin too.

[Sam]

This recent poll suggests that folks DO support the troops, but NOT the war. How is this possible?

I've always been told that AGAINST WAR = AGAINST TROOPS.

A majority (63%) of those polled (that would be more than 50% for the math-challenged among us) feel that U.S. troops killing civilians in Iraq is isolated, and in general the troops are doing a good job.

However, 59% of these same folks now feel the war in Iraq was a mistake, up from 34% in December 2004.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13216921/

Of course, Natalie Maines, Emily Robison and Marty McGuire (aka The Dixie Chicks) have consistently opposed the war AND supported the troops since before there was a war.

Listen to their new single Not Ready to Make Nice.

http://www.dixiechicks.com/

I wonder if President Bush will be getting the new Dixie Chicks album, Taking the Long Way, for Fathers Day?

How much are they paying you to promote them?

I doubt if you, or them, have enough money to pay me to listen to them.
I don't watch or support Hanoi Jane and I damn sure won't listen to or support them. That is MY choice to make.

I refer to my earlier post and ask you how can you or anyone can claim to support our troops but not support the MISSION and the success of it?

Do you want our troops to fail in their Mission and objectives? Do you want to be the real reason that the lives and limbs lost, blood spilt, and sacrifices that have been and are being made, are truly for nothing?
Certainly sounds that way.

I would not be surprised if so.

You have definitely had, no problem in telling us of the enemy's successes or the mistakes our troops have made, have you?

With the road side bombings and whatnot/whatever, or telling us when SOME of our troops have alledgedly screwed up and committed murder.

Just whose side are you on?

It would seem quite clear to any troop on whose side you and those who claim to "support our troops but are against the war". I am quite sure the majority of, if not all of, our troops are against the war as well, but no doubt for different reasons than most people here in America that claim to support them, but are against the war, are...but they are still there doing what they have to do. GOD BLESS THEM AND LET THEM WIN!!!

Supporting our troops and not their Mission and Objectives is sort of like claiming to support your favorite sports team and not wanting them to win.....However our troops are playing for much bigger stakes and sacrificing much more than any sports player, for far less money.

[alphabits]

Nice to see that democracy is alive and well and that we have an absolute litmus test for determining who is on "our" side.

[tikitatas]

I'm not on the side of people who don't let everyone express her or his opinion without slamming and ranting that we are all somehow less concerned with ending terror and finishing "a mission".

[bumper]

This recent poll suggests that folks DO support the troops, but NOT the war. How is this possible?

It's very possible. It's not the troops fault their leaders are idiots and, other then the ones that have committed cold-blooded murder (not just caused the deaths of enemy combatants), they shouldn’t be held accountable or vilified for it, as well as being given the equipment needed to fulfill their orders as safely as possible.

I have nothing against the military…I have everything against this war and the person that started it.

Gee what a shock

[bumper]

Interesting...wrong time, wrong place, wrong president. Begs the questions...right time, right place and which president?

[flyboy55]

I was prompted to start this thread the other day because I happened to be listening to the Dixie Chicks song "Not Ready to Make Nice" and at the same time came across the news item about the recent poll.

As most folks who despise the Dixie Chicks for their politics probably don't know (because it wasn't as widely reported in the media at the time), they also expressed 100% support for the troops.

It seems that the rest of the country is playing catch up because as the recent poll suggests, folks do support the troops, but don't support the action in Iraq.

You may think that's right or wrong or worth a death threat, but you are apparently now in the minority.

Hate the Dixie Chicks all you want, take your kids out to "Dixie Chicks Destruction" days and destroy their CDs, make fun of their looks and sound.

Personally, I like strong, intelligent, independent women willing to take a public stand on a controversial issue, knowing full well that as performers (in a conservative country music industry) their livelihood was on the line. Say what you will - I think they've got more grit and guts than many men and women in this country.

[Moonie]

This recent poll suggests that folks DO support the troops, but NOT the war. How is this possible?

It's very possible. It's not the troops fault their leaders are idiots and, other then the ones that have committed cold-blooded murder (not just caused the deaths of enemy combatants), they shouldn’t be held accountable or vilified for it, as well as being given the equipment needed to fulfill their orders as safely as possible.

I have nothing against the military…I have everything against this war and the person that started it.

Gee what a shock

Hehehehe...you crack me up, Bumper...^5

[Moonie]

I was prompted to start this thread the other day because I happened to be listening to the Dixie Chicks song "Not Ready to Make Nice

Personally, I like strong, intelligent, independent women willing to take a public stand on a controversial issue, .

So you actually like to listen to them..sing..?,,I'm sure there were a lot of troops that liked to listen to them, partly because of their physical attributes, until she slammped them like she did...

She let her mouth overload her ass, in public, in a foreign country, I wouldn't call that intelligent. Independent, perhaps, if that had been the case, the public would have considered her only 1/3 of the group. Most often the group is mentioned first as if the group was credited for what she said. That hurt the groups career, not just hers. Not that she'd have had a career, on her own, anyway....(YIKES)

[bumper]

Personally, I like strong, intelligent, independent women willing to take a public stand on a controversial issue, knowing full well that as performers (in a conservative country music industry) their livelihood was on the line. Say what you will - I think they've got more grit and guts than many men and women in this country.

Flyboy..Hollywood types have no problem expressing an opinion especially a political one. The Dixie Chicks are entertainment/Hollywood types and takes little for them to speak out, strong and independent?..I charge jumping on the bandwagon.....the "gasp" aspect of their statements are relevant to the state they call home, other then that..who gives a rat's ass.
That said, those Hollywood types who support the military and war simultaneously and who speak out are the real strong, independent types.

Hi Moonie

[flyboy55]

Personally, I like strong, intelligent, independent women willing to take a public stand on a controversial issue, knowing full well that as performers (in a conservative country music industry) their livelihood was on the line. Say what you will - I think they've got more grit and guts than many men and women in this country.

Flyboy..Hollywood types have no problem expressing an opinion especially a political one. The Dixie Chicks are entertainment/Hollywood types and takes little for them to speak out, strong and independent?..I charge jumping on the bandwagon.....the "gasp" aspect of their statements are relevant to the state they call home, other then that..who gives a rat's ass.
That said, those Hollywood types who support the military and war simultaneously and who speak out are the real strong, independent types.

Hi Moonie

I think what particularly galls some folks is the fact that they considered the Dixie Chicks as "one of their own", ie inside the country music/conservative tent, so to speak- heck they're from Texas (not Hollywood types in other words). To have them over in England slamming Bush on the eve of the Iraq invasion (to git them WMDs) was looked upon as double treachery! Sure people expect it from East Coast liberals or Hollywood types, but not country music stars from Texas!

Am I right?

[Soraya]

I have nothing against the military…I have everything against this war and the person that started it.

Yeah, I hate Osama Sahib Ben-Gay Ladin too.

....how....typical. Until Shurb invaded Iraq, there was no connection between the attacks in the United States and the country of Iraq.

I dislike the people responsible for the 9/11 attacks. I always thought that Hussein was a problem from the time we started arming his military against Iran decades ago.

However, I am smart enough to know that there is not a direct connection between the two. That is like my decking your neighbor because you've p*** me off....even if your neighbor isn't a nice person either.

[bumper]

I have nothing against the military…I have everything against this war and the person that started it.

Yeah, I hate Osama Sahib Ben-Gay Ladin too.

....how....typical. Until Shurb invaded Iraq, there was no connection between the attacks in the United States and the country of Iraq.

I dislike the people responsible for the 9/11 attacks. I always thought that Hussein was a problem from the time we started arming his military against Iran decades ago.

However, I am smart enough to know that there is not a direct connection between the two. That is like my decking your neighbor because you've p*** me off....even if your neighbor isn't a nice person either.

The above makes me giggle, kinda, almost at a loss for words

[LIPH]

It's not the troops fault their leaders are idiots and, other then the ones that have committed cold-blooded murder (not just caused the deaths of enemy combatants), they shouldn’t be held accountable or vilified for it

Just curious, which members of the U.S. military "committed cold-blooded murder"? I know there are allegations but to the best of my knowledge nobody has been charged, let alone convicted. Unless you have information the rest of us don't.

[bravedave]

The above makes me giggle, kinda, almost at a loss for words

See if you can find them. Because nobody has ever shown a conclusive link, let alone a conspiracy, between the Al-qaeda terrorists who attacked the United States and the regime of Saddam Hussein.

Remember, we didn't go into Iraq to stop terrorists. We went there to stop weapons of mass destruction. Shortly before he got his walking papers, Colin Powell stood before the UN and swore to the whole world that it was true. Now that there are no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, we can't leave because of all the terrorists there.

Good work, Shrub.

[Moonie]

I have nothing against the military…I have everything against this war and the person that started it.

Yeah, I hate Osama Sahib Ben-Gay Ladin too.

....how....typical.

Oh My Oh My...Garry might be a lot of things.... but ...typical..., isn't one of them...


HIYA, Bumper

[NYCPORT]

OH PUH-LEEEEZE!!!!
How can you support the troops and not THE MISSION, THE OBJECTIVES, AND THE GOALS...ie WHAT THE TROOPS ARE SUPPOSED TO ACCOMPLISH?

Why don't you try explaining that to every troop???
As to why we are in Iraq, I have explained that elsewhere. Poorly

As for our troops going in without this or that...blame Congress....they decide what the military can have. America has come from behind in almost every if not every war.

It's very simple (which should work best for you) I don't support the moron who sent them there but I do support them for what they do since they have no choice but to stay. I'm sure most would leave today if given the choice.

[phjrsaunt]

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Personally, I like strong, intelligent, independent women willing to take a public stand on a controversial issue, knowing full well that as performers (in a conservative country music industry) their livelihood was on the line. Say what you will - I think they've got more grit and guts than many men and women in this country.

There's a fine line between being [perceived as] a strong, intelligent, idependent woman.....and being perceived as a loud mouthed *itch.

[Sam]

I was prompted to start this thread the other day because I happened to be listening to the Dixie Chicks song "Not Ready to Make Nice" and at the same time came across the news item about the recent poll.

As most folks who despise the Dixie Chicks for their politics probably don't know (because it wasn't as widely reported in the media at the time), they also expressed 100% support for the troops.

It seems that the rest of the country is playing catch up because as the recent poll suggests, folks do support the troops, but don't support the action in Iraq.

You may think that's right or wrong or worth a death threat, but you are apparently now in the minority.

Hate the Dixie Chicks all you want, take your kids out to "Dixie Chicks Destruction" days and destroy their CDs, make fun of their looks and sound.

Personally, I like strong, intelligent, independent women willing to take a public stand on a controversial issue, knowing full well that as performers (in a conservative country music industry) their livelihood was on the line. Say what you will - I think they've got more grit and guts than many men and women in this country.

They may have looks but they are not what I would call intelligent , nor would I say that they have guts. Their sentiments are not original. They show no originality.

As Bumper said and said so well. Several cold beverages of choice to Bumper!

As for what others listen to that is clearly their choice, just as it is clearly my choice to listen or watch or support.

If you mean by my being in the minority...I am DAMN PROUF to be. I KNOW where I stand.

I am not one of the easily led and brainwashed crowd that follows the latest "feel good" BS handed out and IV fed.

I have explained elsewhere why Iraq IS part of the war on terrorism. I will ask you if you and anyone that has a better and viable idea on how and where to fight the war on terror then by all means let me know.
Remember the bad guys attacked us and we were told it was going to be a long war and unlike any other war in history.

No one has as of yet to explain how they support the troops but don't support their Mission and Objectives. In other words are you saying you support our troops to loose?

If, you and whoever, want to claim you support our troops then do so. Maybe you and people that feel such would like to explain your "love and caring so much" for them, and not what they are doing, to them.
Let them do their jobs and complete them, and to win. We owe them and the world, that much.
Don't be prejudging them. I know of one troop that was accused of murder and was courtmartialed. He had to sit in silence for several days. The autopsy report showed he did not do it and was innocent of the charges.
Did you hear about that part of it? Or are you going to say it was a "kangaroo court"?
Yet you and several others already have some of our troops convicted with no trial and only an investigation that has been started.
Yeah, that really sounds like you support our troops doesn't it?

As for my comments being considered rants or whatever about supporting our troops,...I simply consider the source of such. Those persons would have us do what, about the terrorists? Where would they have us fight them? Not fighting them, is NOT viable, is NOT realistic, and is NOT an option.

I AM DAMN PROUD TO BE IN THE SO CALLED MINORITY!!! I have no doubt where I stand in supporting our troops or their Mission or in wishing, wanting and praying for a MISSION COMPLETE AND JOB WELL DONE!!! The sooner they do so, the sooner they return home. You cannot possibly want them home any sooner or faster than they and thier loved ones and family want them to be.

They all knew the risks when they took the job, and they accepted them. Let them do their job and pray and pull for them to succeed, that is if you really support them.

[Moonie]

I read today that they had to revamp their tour because of low ticket sales...not big shocker there! You couldn't pay me to watch them sing!

From the BBC:
"A concert industry magazine claimed shows had been dropped in Republican states such as Oklahoma and Tennessee. "

That hardly comes as a shocker, they still burn books in those places.

I support the troops. My young second cousin is now a Marine.
They are doing the job that their Commander in Chief has directed.
I feel terrible for each life lost over there (but I have no problem with Zarqawi's demise)
I haven't supported the mission because of its' political assumptions (failures) and its profiteering sources (Bush & Co.).

History will judge whether this has been "worth it"

I don't know about Tennesse...but having spend most of my life in Oklahoma...They don't burn books in Oklahoma...and I seriously doubt they do in Tennessee either..

I, personally take this as an insult and I might you suggest you retrack that statement...I highly suggest it....

Your statement has no basis and why would you slam two states you've proabably never been in..or if you have...you know nothing about...

Don't be Ignorant...