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From Reuters:

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US forces have found some old Iraqi WMD, says general
Thu Jun 29, 2006 7:28pm ET

By Kristin Roberts

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The U.S. military has found more Iraqi weapons in recent months, in addition to the 500 chemical munitions recently reported by the Pentagon, a top defense intelligence official said on Thursday.

Lt. Gen. Michael Maples, director of the Defense Intelligence Agency, did not specify if the newly found weapons were also chemical munitions. But he said he expected more.

"I do not believe we have found all the weapons," he told the House of Representatives Armed Services Committee, offering few details in an open session that preceded a classified briefing to lawmakers.
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Outdate, degraded pre-gulf war shells that we knew he had and that are so degraded chemically that they can't do much damage, if any, if used?

Yeah...sure....this justifies thousand of US forces dying, the rapes (I hope you don't find a way to justify that mess) and murder of civilians as well as the assorted collateral damage that goes with war. Sure it does.

I don't know a if they are there or aren't, but the guys I know that have come back from there have said that they have found storage bunkers (or whatever the term is) from them that contained evidence that they were stored there.

Soraya wrote:Outdate, degraded pre-gulf war shells that we knew he had and that are so degraded chemically that they can't do much damage, if any, if used?

Yeah...sure....this justifies thousand of US forces dying, the rapes (I hope you don't find a way to justify that mess) and murder of civilians as well as the assorted collateral damage that goes with war. Sure it does.

Yes the weapons themselves MIGHT be harmless to be used as intended/made for use. The point being Saddam still had WMDs that were apparently unaccounted for.

Did you bother to read the part about the sarin could be removed and reutilized in other weapons?

Care to say sarin is harmless?

How many civilian American and other lives are you willing to put at risk on being on the recieving end of such weapons? We have the Japanese subway example. At least our troops are all volunteers and KNOW the risk they take when they take the Oath.

Any idea how many weapons could have been made from such devices? Or the threat the weapons are to those dismantiling them? Do you really have a clue or do you just spout antiwar rhetoric?
Let me guess if our troops found a year ( you pick the year) old atomic/nuclear device in Iraq. and the electronic components and explosives were non functional.The weapon would not be a threat? What about the core of the device? it could be used in another weapon or possibly weapons.

I wish it was as all as safe and as simple as you and others make it out to be.

You don't want us fighting in Iraq? Why ? Where would you have us fight the badguys?
Not fighting them is NOT an option.

pathetic.

flyboy55 wrote:pathetic.

Just what is pathetic? The troops that have to deal with them ?

Sam wrote:

flyboy55 wrote:pathetic.

Just what is pathetic? The troops that have to deal with them ?

Certainly not.

What is pathetic is Republican lawmakers (like Peter Hoekstra) trying to score political points by labelling these munitions as the WMDs that we went to war over.

From the same article:

Responding to questions from lawmakers anxious to make political points ahead of the November congressional elections, U.S. defense officials said the 500 chemical weapons discovered in Iraq were "weapons of mass destruction." However their degraded state may make them more dangerous to those who find them than anyone else.

Meanwhile, the chairman of the House of Representatives Intelligence Committee, Michigan Republican Rep. Peter Hoekstra, wrote to U.S. intelligence chief John Negroponte accusing intelligence officials of downplaying the significance of the finds.

Hoekstra said intelligence officials at a June 21 press briefing told journalists the weapons predated the 1991 Gulf War, were too degraded to be used as originally intended and posed no threat to U.S. forces deployed in the region during the run-up to the 2003 invasion.

"I am very disappointed by the inaccurate, incomplete, and occasionally misleading comments made by the briefers," Hoekstra said in the letter.

At the Armed Services Committee, (Lt. Gen. Michael) Maples also asserted that the rockets and artillery rounds that had been found were produced in the 1980s and could not be used as intended.

In spite of the obvious fact that these were probably munitions from the 1980's that WE had sold to Iraq, the Republicans seem to be once again trying to bully the Intelligence community into portraying these munitions as a serious threat - some things just never change.

That's pathetic.

The former regime in Iraq had possession of WMDs from back in the early 70s. Some of it had Made in the USA stamped on it. A lot of s*** got lost -- buried. Maybe deliberately, to hide it or to get rid of it -- maybe just by mistake. And we are eventually going to find more of it, because we are still searching for the smoking gun that justifies Bush's rationale for invasion.

My gut feeling is that any insurgents who might try to salvage chemical weaponry from these remnants are going to do a lot more damage to themselves than to anybody else.

You can also find missing WMDs buried under Aberdeen Proving Grounds and Edgewood Arsenal in Maryland (no surprise, the Army has been losing stuff around there since before WWI.)

More surprisingly, you can find WMDs in Spring Valley, one of the wealthiest neighborhoods in Washington, DC. There hasn't been a military presence in that area for many decades, but these things keep turning up.

Let it go until the smoking gun appears. Then it will be worth discussing.

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I would think that most logical people would admit he had WMD. They were hidden or destroyed or buried before we got there. Do you believe a man who would commit the atrocities we have on record and who states clearly his hatred of the western world, and who states publicly that he will destroy us would hesitate to use weapons like this?
I'm not arguing for or against the war. I just hate that people claim that their couldn't have been weapons.

OceanCityGirl wrote:I would think that most logical people would admit he had WMD. They were hidden or destroyed or buried before we got there. Do you believe a man who would commit the atrocities we have on record and who states clearly his hatred of the western world, and who states publicly that he will destroy us would hesitate to use weapons like this?
I'm not arguing for or against the war. I just hate that people claim that their couldn't have been weapons.

never have argued that point. Always felt it was disingenious of the current Administration to use that as a basis when Rummy was over there giving him the shells in the early 80s to keep the Iranian hordes from completely overwhelming Iraq and sweeping down over Kuwait and on into Saudi Arabia in a vast Shi'ite wave.

never have argued that point. Always felt it was disingenious of the current Administration to use that as a basis when Rummy was over there giving him the shells in the early 80s to keep the Iranian hordes from completely overwhelming Iraq and sweeping down over Kuwait and on into Saudi Arabia in a vast Shi'ite wave.

There are other details like this that can be argued. Whether we should be there, how we should we be fighting, our responsibility in the whole mess. But not in my opinion whether the WMD's existed.
However, even if we are partially responsible for the mess, or perhaps esp., we may have still needed to go clean it up. It would be nice if we learned from it though.
What saddens me is the fact that we let our soldiers give their lives in what is a half-way effort. We could go in and end it quickly and spare the constant picking off our men. But here, we'd lose the war to the press.

OceanCityGirl wrote:

never have argued that point. Always felt it was disingenious of the current Administration to use that as a basis when Rummy was over there giving him the shells in the early 80s to keep the Iranian hordes from completely overwhelming Iraq and sweeping down over Kuwait and on into Saudi Arabia in a vast Shi'ite wave.

There are other details like this that can be argued. Whether we should be there, how we should we be fighting, our responsibility in the whole mess. But not in my opinion whether the WMD's existed.
However, even if we are partially responsible for the mess, or perhaps esp., we may have still needed to go clean it up. It would be nice if we learned from it though.
What saddens me is the fact that we let our soldiers give their lives in what is a half-way effort. We could go in and end it quickly and spare the constant picking off our men. But here, we'd lose the war to the press.

ruh-roh.

flyboy55 wrote:

OceanCityGirl wrote:

never have argued that point. Always felt it was disingenious of the current Administration to use that as a basis when Rummy was over there giving him the shells in the early 80s to keep the Iranian hordes from completely overwhelming Iraq and sweeping down over Kuwait and on into Saudi Arabia in a vast Shi'ite wave.

There are other details like this that can be argued. Whether we should be there, how we should we be fighting, our responsibility in the whole mess. But not in my opinion whether the WMD's existed.
However, even if we are partially responsible for the mess, or perhaps esp., we may have still needed to go clean it up. It would be nice if we learned from it though.
What saddens me is the fact that we let our soldiers give their lives in what is a half-way effort. We could go in and end it quickly and spare the constant picking off our men. But here, we'd lose the war to the press.

ruh-roh.

Rut-Roh WHAT?

Surely you admit the contents of the weapons could be reutilized. Maybe the roclets or mortars or whatever they are, may not be used in the manner prescribed/meant for. But the contents still can be used.

I don;t know if the weapons said made in USA or not. Do you have an itemized list of the weapons sold to Iraq in that time frame.
Fact: You may discount the weapons as old and useless all you like. You cannot deny they were WMDs can you?

So what else remains to be discovered that Saddam has hidden away that we do not know about?

Yes we are winning the War in Iraq, yet we are losing it at home in the media, cannot be denied. So those that say Iraq is another Vietnam where our troops won every battle and lost the war, maybe Right. Only trouble is I don't think they have thought the outcomes completely through or what it would mean for the US and the Coalition Forces to abandon Iraq or the black mark it would leave on America and on our troops.

Sorry not buying it. Old stuff that was useless proped up to try and make the moron in the White House look good is all it is.
If this was any REAL news it would be the lead story on every news cast.

a vast Shi'ite wave

that's sigline material rat thar.
that shur is...

(imagining the fan)

Sam wrote:

flyboy55 wrote:pathetic.

Just what is pathetic? The troops that have to deal with them ?

No, what's pathetic is the NeoCons who fooled YOU and so many many other Americans into thinking that we're in IMMINENT DANGER by old shadows of Saddam...
while the REAL TERRORIST sits comfortably untouched in Pakistan.

I see where we just sold Pakistan a nice package of F-16 fighters...

NYCPORT wrote:Sorry not buying it. Old stuff that was useless proped up to try and make the moron in the White House look good is all it is.
If this was any REAL news it would be the lead story on every news cast.

You don't have to. Tell us something thoough.....How many people would you willing to see dead and sick and suffering from the effects of the weapons being reutilized before you would buy it.

No one has as of yet to deny the components of these munitions could be reused in other weapons.

No one has denied these are WMDs. They may be old and they may not be able to be utilized as they were made. I seriously doubt anyone would could have a doubt of the weapons being reutilized.

Care to say that sarin is harmless?? I am quite sure there are many dead that could legitimately debate the point if they were alive to do so!

George W. Bush Kool-Aid!!!!

Get your freshly-laced, ...er, mixed message George W. Kool-Aid right HERRRR!!!

c'mon now, people!
at least 34% of you out there are ready to drink some more of the Kool-Aid!!!

Lightning Bolt wrote:

Sam wrote:

flyboy55 wrote:pathetic.

Just what is pathetic? The troops that have to deal with them ?

No, what's pathetic is the NeoCons who fooled YOU and so many many other Americans into thinking that we're in IMMINENT DANGER by old shadows of Saddam...
while the REAL TERRORIST sits comfortably untouched in Pakistan.

I see where we just sold Pakistan a nice package of F-16 fighters...

Tell you what,....I would rather save lives than see them lost. If that means losing our troops lives in protecting us, so be it. I do not want to see anyone lose their life needlessly. I do not want to see any of our troops die or be wounded. YET I am realistic enough to KNOW what can and does happen. Are you?

Yet our troops are there and they KNOW WHY they are there, the moment they took the Oath. They knew and accepted the consequences.

It sounds like you are ready to risk the lives of innocent people and let them die and be exposed to sarin and other agents.
I am a vet and everyone of those paying the price,and up to the ULTIMATE SACRIFICE are my brothers and sisters. They know their job and they know it well, unless you are trying to tell us they do not, and something different.

Lightning Bolt wrote:George W. Bush Kool-Aid!!!!

Get your freshly-laced, ...er, mixed message George W. Kool-Aid right HERRRR!!!

c'mon now, people!
at least 34% of you out there are ready to drink some more Kool-Aid!!!

It is AMERICA'S INDEPENDENCE DAY........Why aren't you Independent if you live here? No one is keeping you here against your will and you are always welcome to do as you choose. Your choice to make and to decide upon.

Nice to see you follow the herd and drink the Kool-Aid.


Meanwhile I am outta here and going to enjoy my AMERICAN HOLIDAY!

I hope you and everyone else will take time to REMEMBER THOSE that cash the check that give us the FREEDOM to do so.

GOD BLESS OUR TROOPS!!!