Prayers for local family

OceanCityGirl · Post by **OceanCityGirl** » September 28, 2006 6:45 pm

this morning on the way to school a police officer ran a stopsign (acc. to early reports) hit a car and killed two girls. The girls are sisters aged 17, and 19 and my sons know them. Their poor families. Two children at once. I have tears just thinking about it. So if you believe in prayer say a prayer. I don't want to list the names yet.

prrthd1987 · Post by **prrthd1987** » September 28, 2006 6:51 pm

Wow...

Prayers coming from MN

sailingagain · Post by **sailingagain** » September 28, 2006 6:52 pm

^^^^PHIN POWER^^^

I feel bad for the cop too. You know it had to have been an accident. Now he will be tortured with guilt for the rest of his life.

Just tragic all around.

ragtopW · Post by **ragtopW** » September 28, 2006 8:23 pm

Phin power for all..

TommyBahama · Post by **TommyBahama** » September 28, 2006 8:40 pm

prayers and phin power from connecticut!!

jonesbeach10 · Post by **jonesbeach10** » September 28, 2006 9:03 pm

Long Island PHIN POWER

bravedave · Post by **bravedave** » September 28, 2006 9:49 pm

PBS for all concerned.

OceanCityGirl · Post by **OceanCityGirl** » September 28, 2006 11:59 pm

I know and the cop is getting alot of heat and was raked over the coals on local radio with family and friends of the deceased calling in. It seems he ran a stop sign and was going too fast. This is a country road but the intersection gets kind of busy. He was in the cruiser, I think.
Apparently he was hospitalized but tomorrow they are returning him to desk duty. People are crying favoritism to the officer. I have almost never, could count on one hand in many years of driving, run a stop sign or red light. But every time it was an accident and I breath a huge sigh of relief nobody was there.
If this happens and there is a fatality is it considered a criminal offense?

ragtopW · Post by **ragtopW** » September 29, 2006 12:07 am

OceanCityGirl wrote:I know and the cop is getting alot of heat and was raked over the coals on local radio with family and friends of the deceased calling in. It seems he ran a stop sign and was going too fast. This is a country road but the intersection gets kind of busy. He was in the cruiser, I think.
Apparently he was hospitalized but tomorrow they are returning him to desk duty. People are crying favoritism to the officer. I have almost never, could count on one hand in many years of driving, run a stop sign or red light. But every time it was an accident and I breath a huge sigh of relief nobody was there.
If this happens and there is a fatality is it considered a criminal offense?

depends, If he was speeding.. probably there are a lot of factors.

Wino you know · Post by **Wino you know** » September 29, 2006 12:16 am

Not usually. Prosecutors are generally reluctant to press charges unless there's undisputable criminal intent.
Yeah, the guy was going to fast and should be held accountable for it-and DON'T ask me to suggest a form of punishment because I'm not going there-bottom line is, unless there is proof beyond a reasonable doubt that these incidents are more than an accident, they usually go nowhere.
NOT SAYING I AGREE OR DISAGREE- I'm merely saying this is usually the case.

And, with that being said, I offer my most sincere condolences and prayers to the family of the girls.
(And, unless he's a first class a-hole, also to the police officer).

Now let the sending of the sanctimonious P.M.s begin.

OceanCityGirl · Post by **OceanCityGirl** » September 29, 2006 9:59 am

Wino, I agree.
Unless the officer has a history of such behavior or was DUI or something it's just a horrible accident. There will be penalties from dmv, I"m sure a huge civil case, and if he's a human being I"m sure he will be haunted by this forever. Also it's a small town so his future in the police dept and even the town are limited. These poor girls families and friends are just acting on the obvious emotions.

Quiet and Shy · Post by **Quiet and Shy** » September 29, 2006 10:54 am

The whole thing is just tragic. Condolences to families and friends of all involved.

I'm wondering why the officer would be immune from the same potential penalties as anyone else unless he was specifically doing active policing at the time (e.g. heading to an emergency, pursuing someone). I mean, aren't police supposed to follow the rules of the road, too? And if they don't there's no consequence?? I'm sure the guy is torn up inside (as I would be, too), but I think the laws should still apply.

Dezdmona · Post by **Dezdmona** » September 29, 2006 11:02 am

Simply a tragedy for all involved.

sailingagain · Post by **sailingagain** » September 29, 2006 11:36 am

Quiet and Shy wrote:I mean, aren't police supposed to follow the rules of the road, too? And if they don't there's no consequence?? I'm sure the guy is torn up inside (as I would be, too), but I think the laws should still apply.

I think, even if you or I had done it, without criminal intent, we would only be hit with a careless/reckless driving ticket.(Just basing that on what my boss, a retired policeman, says is the norm)

The cop is, however, going to get slammed in a civil case I would imagine, as he is responsible for "wrongful death".

Wino you know · Post by **Wino you know** » September 29, 2006 11:47 am

Quiet and Shy wrote:The whole thing is just tragic. Condolences to families and friends of all involved.

I'm wondering why the officer would be immune from the same potential penalties as anyone else unless he was specifically doing active policing at the time (e.g. heading to an emergency, pursuing someone). I mean, aren't police supposed to follow the rules of the road, too? And if they don't there's no consequence?? I'm sure the guy is torn up inside (as I would be, too), but I think the laws should still apply.

The officer will NOT be immune from any civil penalties that may incur, as SailingAgain has stated, and yes, off duty officers (and, in most cases, ON duty officers) ARE required to follow the same rules of the road, as they should be. What I was saying is this is a very tragic accident, and I seriously doubt the officer INTENDED for this to happen. I'm not condoning what he did-I just don't think he MEANT for it to happen.
Which is why I offer my prayers to HIM as well as to the families of the two sisters.

BTW-has anyone offered any prayers to the Sheriff's Deputy and his caninie partner who were MURDERED in Florida by a first class a-hole PUNK? Just wondering.

OceanCityGirl · Post by **OceanCityGirl** » September 29, 2006 2:09 pm

I'm wondering why the officer would be immune from the same potential penalties as anyone else

This is what is being asked around here. My thought is nobody would be arrested on the spot for something like this. It would be up to the prosecutor. It's also possible that the only charge for this is the running of a stop sign and perhaps reckless endangerment. Like others have mentioned this may play out in the civil courts with claims against the officer and the departments insurance.
I think almost everybody will admit to having accidentally run either a light or a stopsign. When we realize it we breath a huge sigh of relief. The officer was fairly new to the area and I am sure it was a true accident.
Now if it was my child I am sure i'd feel much differently, esp. so early on.

Quiet and Shy · Post by **Quiet and Shy** » September 29, 2006 2:40 pm

Wino you know wrote:
Quiet and Shy wrote:The whole thing is just tragic. Condolences to families and friends of all involved.

I'm wondering why the officer would be immune from the same potential penalties as anyone else unless he was specifically doing active policing at the time (e.g. heading to an emergency, pursuing someone). I mean, aren't police supposed to follow the rules of the road, too? And if they don't there's no consequence?? I'm sure the guy is torn up inside (as I would be, too), but I think the laws should still apply.
The officer will NOT be immune from any civil penalties that may incur, as SailingAgain has stated, and yes, off duty officers (and, in most cases, ON duty officers) ARE required to follow the same rules of the road, as they should be. What I was saying is this is a very tragic accident, and I seriously doubt the officer INTENDED for this to happen. I'm not condoning what he did-I just don't think he MEANT for it to happen.
Which is why I offer my prayers to HIM as well as to the families of the two sisters.

BTW-has anyone offered any prayers to the Sheriff's Deputy and his caninie partner who were MURDERED in Florida by a first class a-hole PUNK? Just wondering.

Wow...talk about taking my post out of context....

Accidents happen every day...some of them are very tragic, but people are still held accountable for them.

I'm not referring to anything civil here; I'm referring to criminal penalties, e.g. negligent homicide, reclkess endangerment, etc. I'm just very uncomfortable with anyone being above the law.

Wino you know · Post by **Wino you know** » September 29, 2006 4:47 pm

Quiet and Shy wrote:Wow...talk about taking my post out of context....

Accidents happen every day...some of them are very tragic, but people are still held accountable for them.

I'm not referring to anything civil here; I'm referring to criminal penalties, e.g. negligent homicide, reclkess endangerment, etc. I'm just very uncomfortable with anyone being above the law.

I did not INTEND to take your post "out of context."

I'M uncomfortable with anyone being above the law too-and I have no idea what will happen in this case, but I'd be willing to send a campaign contribution to HILLARY CLINTON if this officer gets off scott free.
AGAIN-he SHOULD be held accountable.
I can't express myself any clearer.

Jodibug · Post by **Jodibug** » September 29, 2006 4:49 pm

Sending big prayers to the families; that's were my positive energy can be put best to use!!

MalibuRumGirl · Post by **MalibuRumGirl** » September 29, 2006 4:52 pm

What a terrible tragedy... Prayers for the families coming from Long Island.