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bravedave wrote:I have listened to the clip several times and I can only interpret it to be a slap at GW Bush and his reputation for being intellectually deficient.
"Stuck in Iraq"

I could see that

But look at the faces of the kids behind him as they turn from smiles to confused.

Listen for the gasps from the crowd

And watch his face how he realizes uh oh that wasnt good


It may not be what he meant, but it's how it came out

12vmanRick wrote: Hey next time you want to make a point DO NOT change my words to something like that. I have a right to my opinion as do you!!!

Really, LB.. C'mon - play nice here, k? Thanks.

Hooray Beer! wrote:

bravedave wrote:I have listened to the clip several times and I can only interpret it to be a slap at GW Bush and his reputation for being intellectually deficient.
"Stuck in Iraq"

I could see that

But look at the faces of the kids behind him as they turn from smiles to confused.

Listen for the gasps from the crowd

And watch his face how he realizes uh oh that wasnt good


It may not be what he meant, but it's how it came out

unfortunately, not every joke goes as planned. Now, imagine if Shrub had tried delivering the same line. It would probably end up with him making Dan Quayle look like an intellectual giant...

I JUST saw the clip - there was no reason for his comment - and it certainly didn't sound like a joke to me.

Just another example of the democrat's hatred of the military and those who serve. The arrogant a$$ refuses to apologize.

Have we heard any democrats criticize skerry for what he said? nope.

It's a boost for the reps in the coming election.

OK, as a left-leaning libertarian (I'm not a Democrat), I call on Sen. John Kerry to apologize to President Bush for insulting his intelligence and the failure of his administration.

(I still didn't hear him say anything about the military.)

bravedave wrote:I have listened to the clip several times and I can only interpret it to be a slap at GW Bush and his reputation for being intellectually deficient.

It is interesting that the person slapping Bush for being "intellectually deficient" received lower grades than Bush at Yale.

The fact is that the GOP and Bush were waiting for some Democrat to stick their foot in their mouth so they will have something negative about the Democrats. Kerry obliged and now all you are hearing is this tit for tat going on between Bush and Kerry.

It takes the heat off the big picture and could possibly sway some undecided votes in the direction of the GOP.

It's politics - not an afternoon tea.

bravedave wrote:OK, as a left-leaning libertarian (I'm not a Democrat), I call on Sen. John Kerry to apologize to President Bush for insulting his intelligence and the failure of his administration.

(I still didn't hear him say anything about the military.)

Do you mean aside from his implication that those who are in Iraq did not study or do well in school?

green1 wrote:

bravedave wrote:I have listened to the clip several times and I can only interpret it to be a slap at GW Bush and his reputation for being intellectually deficient.

It is interesting that the person slapping Bush for being "intellectually deficient" received lower grades than Bush at Yale.

Yup... seems hypocritical if Kerry is stupider than Bush.

green1 wrote:

bravedave wrote:OK, as a left-leaning libertarian (I'm not a Democrat), I call on Sen. John Kerry to apologize to President Bush for insulting his intelligence and the failure of his administration.

(I still didn't hear him say anything about the military.)

Do you mean aside from his implication that those who are in Iraq did not study or do well in school?

I mean his reference to "stuck in Iraq" refers to the current administration only.

Crazy Navy Flyer wrote:Just another example of the democrat's hatred of the military and those who serve. The arrogant a$$ refuses to apologize.

Have we heard any democrats criticize skerry for what he said? nope.

It's a boost for the reps in the coming election.

This is Karl Roves October surprise. He gave Kerry the joke but left out a few words. Karl Rove is a genius!

bravedave wrote:

green1 wrote:

bravedave wrote:OK, as a left-leaning libertarian (I'm not a Democrat), I call on Sen. John Kerry to apologize to President Bush for insulting his intelligence and the failure of his administration.

(I still didn't hear him say anything about the military.)

Do you mean aside from his implication that those who are in Iraq did not study or do well in school?

I mean his reference to "stuck in Iraq" refers to the current administration only.

And his statement that those who do not study hard go into the military is an insult to sevicemembers everywhere.

But given his grades at Yale maybe he was making a blanket statement based upon personal experience.

SMLCHNG wrote:

12vmanRick wrote: Hey next time you want to make a point DO NOT change my words to something like that. I have a right to my opinion as do you!!!

Really, LB.. C'mon - play nice here, k? Thanks.

anything for you, Penny

Just don't expect any favors when SD plays your Do.... er... Broncos!

green1 wrote:And his statement that those who do not study hard go into the military is an insult to sevicemembers everywhere.

But given his grades at Yale maybe he was making a blanket statement based upon personal experience.

clip

I must have missed that part. When did he mention the military?

And yes, apparently his grades at Yale were no better than Bush's.
Boston Globe - records show that Bush and Kerry had a virtually identical grade average at Yale

Crazy Navy Flyer wrote:Just another example of the democrat's hatred of the military and those who serve. The arrogant a$$ refuses to apologize.

Have we heard any democrats criticize skerry for what he said? nope.

It's a boost for the reps in the coming election.

just once, I'd like to see someone farther to the right of center than "moderate" capable of delinking the "The War in Iraq was a mistake, and the methods used to get the US into it a crime" statement from the concept of "If you oppose the war in Iraq, you hate the troops."

Just once. It would be so freakin' refreshing.

green1 wrote:

bravedave wrote:OK, as a left-leaning libertarian (I'm not a Democrat), I call on Sen. John Kerry to apologize to President Bush for insulting his intelligence and the failure of his administration.

(I still didn't hear him say anything about the military.)

Do you mean aside from his implication that those who are in Iraq did not study or do well in school?

My son graduated high school in 2005. Funny I told him basically the same thing. Stay in school, get good grades, further your education and do not join the military.

green1 wrote:And his statement that those who do not study hard go into the military is an insult to sevicemembers everywhere.

I'm on borrowed internet time, so no time to read the entire thread. I agree entirely with G1.

There are not enough words in the human language to express my outrage.

My opinion: yes, it was a slam against the administration (and in that sense, politics as usual, not such a big deal) and also a slam on the military (and in that sense, it is a huge, nasty thing). I wonder if the Senator from Massachusetts attends his constituents' funerals when they are killed in Iraq, or if he feels they are too ignorant to bother.

I am so far beyond outraged,ytou have no idea.......

bravedave wrote:I must have missed that part. When did he mention the military?

Perhaps he did not intend to malign the military. But his inabiliy to articulate his point, or his joke, did in fact describe the people "stuck in Iraq" as uneducated. The people "stuck in Iraq" are the military. McCain, various service members from Private to General and many other people have come forward demanding an apology. He can try to spin this any way he wants. But his lack of ability as a public speaker turned what may have been intended as a slam on Bush into a slam on the entire military of this country.

ph4ever wrote:

green1 wrote:

bravedave wrote:OK, as a left-leaning libertarian (I'm not a Democrat), I call on Sen. John Kerry to apologize to President Bush for insulting his intelligence and the failure of his administration.

(I still didn't hear him say anything about the military.)

Do you mean aside from his implication that those who are in Iraq did not study or do well in school?

My son graduated high school in 2005. Funny I told him basically the same thing. Stay in school, get good grades, further your education and do not join the military.

Interesting, graduated from college with BS in Accounting, minor in Psych. Commissioned as a 2Lt in the Army. Served through my Captaincy. Studying for my CPA. Am I uneducated?