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longlinergirl wrote:

Moonie wrote:the article was geared more specifically towards swordfish, but did cover several other fishes...it's a bimonthly publication, and I should still have it.

well i can tell you for a fact, from personal experience, there are pleanty of swordfish to go around...even the scientific reports (Billfish biomass study) said the stocks were in the high 90% the year before the closure...but IGFA said they werent there so....but 6 months after the closure they (IGFA) to up the bag limit for rec fishermen...interesting...

Anyway, when you get the chance, please send..you can email or pm me
Thanks

Recreational fisherman and commercial fisherman are two completely and competing factions. The public often misconstrues the two as being almost the same and with a similiar impact on fish numbers. The fact is recreational fisherman could never over a 100 lifetimes match the numbers commercial fisherman rack up every year. I know guys that recreationally fish for swordfish. Several years and two that I know of have caught and landed one and you were doing 150000 year while the big boys are doing a month. I 've also witnessed how quickly a school of Albacore and Yellowfin can be rounded up. Where recreational fisherman could fish that school for a couple months chasing them here and there a Purse Seiner could wrap them in an afternoon and the catch be on their way to Japan the next day.
Also witnessed long liners off the coast of Panama couple years back, miles of boueys run across the sea scape, Dorado we were told was the target, impressive to see.

Moonie wrote:Ya lose again..

here's where it actually started and everything that you've gone back and copied was after this reply




dear, you and yours have always had both a hard time following logic, and keeping on track civilly.


when you find anything personal that I said previousto this reply...

copy and paste it...or...or.......well never mind...

Your post that I quoted was on p. 2 of this thread, from December 22 at 2:30PM. The post from Ringling that you're referring to above was on p. 4, December 23 at 1:43PM, almost 24 hours later. Your "personal comment" directed at Frank was previous to anything Ringling said to you.

Moonie wrote:in all fairness, why are you bothering, at all, with this thread?

I was under the impression this was a public forum and anyone was allowed to post here. Maybe you're just upset that you got called on your "personal comments" shouldn't have been posted in the first place.

Moonie wrote:and btw, mods, I did pm Larry re: his replies to me in this thread, he wants to keep it in open forum...

or get the thread locked??

I'm not trying to get the thread locked. You asked me a page or 2 ago if I was here to correct you. Originally I wasn't but now that I have you're still denying that you were the guilty party. I'm only trying to set the record straight so you can't continue to play the victim card when you aren't the victim.

Find another euphemism for "locked" will ya

bumper wrote:Find another euphemism for "locked" will ya

killed, murdered, frozen in time???

OceanCityGirl wrote:

As I said, I have no problem with a native group of people continuing their native ways. However, this only works if they are living their native life in all areas.[/quote]

Just as the Native Americans live tax free on reservations but are able to maintain their hereditary right to running casinos? Come on.

The island of Bequia in the Carribean has the onlhy active whaling station in the Western Hemisphere. They are allowed to kill two whales a year, adn they do. The meat is then shared throughout the island. But they are far from living a "native life"style. Their hunt methods are true to tradition, as is their methods of butchering the whale. But to say the a people must live a "native life" in all areas is not realistic. Do you not expect them to use elecrticity, motors, vehicles, refridgerators?

LIPH wrote:

Moonie wrote:Ya lose again..

here's where it actually started and everything that you've gone back and copied was after this reply




dear, you and yours have always had both a hard time following logic, and keeping on track civilly.


when you find anything personal that I said previousto this reply...

copy and paste it...or...or.......well never mind...

Your post that I quoted was on p. 2 of this thread, from December 22 at 2:30PM. The post from Ringling that you're referring to above was on p. 4, December 23 at 1:43PM, almost 24 hours later. Your "personal comment" directed at Frank was previous to anything Ringling said to you.

Moonie wrote:in all fairness, why are you bothering, at all, with this thread?

I was under the impression this was a public forum and anyone was allowed to post here. Maybe you're just upset that you got called on your "personal comments" shouldn't have been posted in the first place.

Moonie wrote:and btw, mods, I did pm Larry re: his replies to me in this thread, he wants to keep it in open forum...

or get the thread locked??

I'm not trying to get the thread locked. You asked me a page or 2 ago if I was here to correct you. Originally I wasn't but now that I have you're still denying that you were the guilty party. I'm only trying to set the record straight so you can't continue to play the victim card when you aren't the victim.

WRONG again, Larry...it was in response to rednekks reply..

AND ANYTHING FURTHER NEEDS TO BE TAKEN TO PM AS PER REQUESTED FROM THE MODS...

I complied, twice last night...Larry wants this in open forum...evidently

AND any further reply from me to Larry regarding this will be in PM. or not at all...

National Geographic has an interesting article about Pacific Humpback whales in their latest issue. It states that while they were beleived to be going extinct in the 60's, 70's and 80's the population has made a rebound in the last decade or so and they are actually increasing in numbers. The Japenese have been using this hunt method for decades. So to say that the Humpback whales have suffered because of this hunt appears to be incorrect. I cannot speak to other whale species.

green1 wrote:

OceanCityGirl wrote:

As I said, I have no problem with a native group of people continuing their native ways. However, this only works if they are living their native life in all areas

Just as the Native Americans live tax free on reservations but are able to maintain their hereditary right to running casinos? Come on.

The island of Bequia in the Carribean has the onlhy active whaling station in the Western Hemisphere. They are allowed to kill two whales a year, adn they do. The meat is then shared throughout the island. But they are far from living a "native life"style. Their hunt methods are true to tradition, as is their methods of butchering the whale. But to say the a people must live a "native life" in all areas is not realistic. Do you not expect them to use elecrticity, motors, vehicles, refridgerators?

I refer to Alaska as it really is an untamed wilderness. There Natives can hunt Moose, Bear, Caribou at night while the target is crossing the river, grazing the river edges, pull the boat up on a crossing Caribou and kill it, flip the spotlight on a grazing moose and drop it where it stands. Inteferring with a practice supported by Alaskan Legislature results in the Natives placing a warning shot in your general direction. Great example of how cultures clash in modern times.

Moonie wrote:AND ANYTHING FURTHER NEEDS TO BE TAKEN TO PM AS PER REQUESTED FROM THE MODS...

That's funny, the only thing I've heard from any of the mods is a PM congratulating me for proving you wrong. Oh well.

rednekkPH wrote:

Moonie wrote:anyway, they claim it's for research...and that's simply an outright lie..

They are doing research. They're trying to figure out how many shcool kids they can feed with 965 dead whales.

well considering how small Japanese people normally are, probably a whole lot of them..

someone pass me the whale jerky while I watch the show

bumper wrote:

green1 wrote:

OceanCityGirl wrote:

As I said, I have no problem with a native group of people continuing their native ways. However, this only works if they are living their native life in all areas

Just as the Native Americans live tax free on reservations but are able to maintain their hereditary right to running casinos? Come on.

The island of Bequia in the Carribean has the onlhy active whaling station in the Western Hemisphere. They are allowed to kill two whales a year, adn they do. The meat is then shared throughout the island. But they are far from living a "native life"style. Their hunt methods are true to tradition, as is their methods of butchering the whale. But to say the a people must live a "native life" in all areas is not realistic. Do you not expect them to use elecrticity, motors, vehicles, refridgerators?

I refer to Alaska as it really is an untamed wilderness. There Natives can hunt Moose, Bear, Caribou at night while the target is crossing the river, grazing the river edges, pull the boat up on a crossing Caribou and kill it, flip the spotlight on a grazing moose and drop it where it stands. Inteferring with a practice supported by Alaskan Legislature results in the Natives placing a warning shot in your general direction. Great example of how cultures clash in modern times.

Aarrgggh...we're getting into some extremely muddy waters there, especially where it concerns salmon and salmon fishing and native rights...

I believe life has been lost over it..and probably will continue, then there's those pesky seals, they want their share too...

suppost that's because of the depleted condition of the waters off the Ca. coast?

I believe life has been lost over it..and probably will continue, then there's those pesky seals, they want their share too...

suppost that's because of the depleted condition of the waters off the Ca. coast?

There is a shirt I've seen representing a truth off the California Coast, a Seal Lion in the crosshairs of a high powered rifle. Simple and to the point.

bumper wrote:I believe life has been lost over it..and probably will continue, then there's those pesky seals, they want their share too...

suppost that's because of the depleted condition of the waters off the Ca. coast?

There is a shirt I've seen representing a truth off the California Coast, a Seal Lion in the crosshairs of a high powered rifle. Simple and to the point.

I know it appears they are overpopulated, you would have more first hand knowledge than I would, and if they are out of balance then that means their natural predator isn't doing to well...

mother nature, without our interference, in most instances, will take care of her own, with regard to overpopulation/predator...

of course, we can't seem to leave well enough alone and most of the time we don't get a rewind...

Moonie wrote:

rednekkPH wrote:

Moonie wrote:

rednekkPH wrote:

Moonie wrote:got big plans for XMAS, redneck?

Nothing out of the ordinary - find a roadkilled deer, paint its nose red, and tell the neighborhood kids I accidently ran over Rudolph. You know, holiday humanitarian type stuff.

odd they won't know the difference between road kill and one that's harvested...

That makes even less sense than what you usually have to say. Where did I say anything about a harvested animal?

Ok Larry, there it is...I looked it up for you and the mods that applauded you for correcting me...a correction that was in error, to begin with...


so ...that taken care of...what was your reason for being in this thread, other than to get it locked...???

You see, I don't start the personal bashing...I only respond to it

Moonie wrote:

bumper wrote:I believe life has been lost over it..and probably will continue, then there's those pesky seals, they want their share too...

suppost that's because of the depleted condition of the waters off the Ca. coast?

There is a shirt I've seen representing a truth off the California Coast, a Seal Lion in the crosshairs of a high powered rifle. Simple and to the point.

I know it appears they are overpopulated, you would have more first hand knowledge than I would, and if they are out of balance then that means their natural predator isn't doing to well...

mother nature, without our interference, in most instances, will take care of her own, with regard to overpopulation/predator...

of course, we can't seem to leave well enough alone and most of the time we don't get a rewind...

Simply stated, we support the Great White in its efforts.

Moonie wrote:and that's where it should be, isn't it?

I dunno...I get sorta squimish when I see one of those huge great whites strung up...and I know they are nothing but killers and eating machines...

they do have a purpose for being here...

it's tragic the loss of life and damage done to humans in Florida, somehow it's Mother Nature's revenge @ the land developers : dunno :

She's certainly made her presence known from J'ville on down the coast...what coast she's left, that is

Well, all I can say is the commercial fisherman off the Ca. coast had reason to uhhhhhhh dissuade seals from interfering with their gear and catch. As a recreational fisherman, I've not hunted seals and have done my best to avoid the dogs of summer.

I've seen the local squid boats drop seal bombs...non lethal means, hurts their little ears. We root for the seal bombs too. Bow Wow

How bout looking at other things that cause animals to become endangered...overdevelopment, ruining of the Everglades, pollution...its not only whaling, or commerical, or recreational fishing, or overhunting...