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Posted: January 30, 2007 4:56 pm
by LIPH
Tiki Torches wrote:LIPH wrote:Second, are you saying because Buffett's made his millions already he shouldn't make anymore? It sure sounds that way.
That isn't what I'm saying at all. You're putting words in my mouth I never once uttered. Sure he deserves to make more money. I'm just saying at this point in his career where he's a millionaire, does he really have to charge $126 for high end seats, especially when there are performers out there equal to (if not superior to) his status that actually make an effort to keep prices down? Pearl Jam sell out large stadiums internationally yet they somehow manage to keep the cost of ticket prices down. Buffett and other performers could do the same but they choose not to.
If you're not going to pay $126, why do you even care? Why should Jimmy Buffett base his ticket prices on what any other performer charges? I'm not a Pearl Jam fan so I don't know where they play but if by "large stadiums" you mean football, baseball or soccer stadiums, maybe that's why they can keep prices down. A 60,000 or more seat stadium at $40 or $50/ticket brings in a nice chunk of cash. Buffett normally doesn't play large stadiums.
Posted: January 30, 2007 4:56 pm
by comtnfish
Tiki Torches wrote:LIPH wrote:First, I wouldn't mention Dave Matthews in the same sentence at Jimmy Buffett. At $10 I think his tickets would be overpriced.
That's your opinion of Matthews, which doesn't even enter into the conversation here. I'm not a fan of his either, I merely used him as an example, which is the problem with naming specific performers in this type of discussion. So, you don't care for his music, what does that have to do with how he helps to keep ticket prices down? I named him because, like Buffett, he's a big concert draw nationwide yet he manages to keep the price of tickets down while Buffett doesn't.
LIPH wrote:Second, are you saying because Buffett's made his millions already he shouldn't make anymore? It sure sounds that way.
That isn't what I'm saying at all. You're putting words in my mouth I never once uttered. Sure he deserves to make more money. I'm just saying at this point in his career where he's a millionaire, does he really have to charge $126 for high end seats, especially when there are performers out there equal to (if not superior to) his status that actually make an effort to keep prices down? Pearl Jam sell out large stadiums internationally yet they somehow manage to keep the cost of ticket prices down. Buffett and other performers could do the same but they choose not to.
Rod Stewart: $52.50-US $95.00 - US $125.00
Elton John: US $100.00 - US $250.00
The Who: $55.00-$205.00 (Club membership for presales $59.99)
Eric Clapton: $50-$125
seems Mr. Buffett is not out of line with his prices, and in fact, his lawn seats and upper level area seats are cheaper than these guys.
And, btw, I just looked at some random other big names on TM - I'm not comparing them to Jimmy, nor am I saying that I either like or dislike them....
Posted: January 30, 2007 4:58 pm
by Capt.Flock
comtnfish wrote:Tiki Torches wrote:LIPH wrote:First, I wouldn't mention Dave Matthews in the same sentence at Jimmy Buffett. At $10 I think his tickets would be overpriced.
That's your opinion of Matthews, which doesn't even enter into the conversation here. I'm not a fan of his either, I merely used him as an example, which is the problem with naming specific performers in this type of discussion. So, you don't care for his music, what does that have to do with how he helps to keep ticket prices down? I named him because, like Buffett, he's a big concert draw nationwide yet he manages to keep the price of tickets down while Buffett doesn't.
LIPH wrote:Second, are you saying because Buffett's made his millions already he shouldn't make anymore? It sure sounds that way.
That isn't what I'm saying at all. You're putting words in my mouth I never once uttered. Sure he deserves to make more money. I'm just saying at this point in his career where he's a millionaire, does he really have to charge $126 for high end seats, especially when there are performers out there equal to (if not superior to) his status that actually make an effort to keep prices down? Pearl Jam sell out large stadiums internationally yet they somehow manage to keep the cost of ticket prices down. Buffett and other performers could do the same but they choose not to.
Rod Stewart: $52.50-US $95.00 - US $125.00
Elton John: US $100.00 - US $250.00
The Who: $55.00-$205.00 (Club membership for presales $59.99)
Eric Clapton: $50-$125
seems Mr. Buffett is not out of line with his prices, and in fact, his lawn seats and upper level area seats are cheaper than these guys.
And, btw, I just looked at some random other big names on TM - I'm not comparing them to Jimmy, nor am I saying that I either like or dislike them....
nope sorry fish you have to take a side here
Posted: January 30, 2007 4:58 pm
by sunseeker
Posted: January 30, 2007 5:00 pm
by comtnfish
Tiki Torches wrote:LIPH wrote:Tiki Torches wrote:LIPH wrote:sunseeker wrote:But you can get tickets for Jimmy through you local fan club as well....
I already pointed that out and he chose to ignore it because it doesn't fit his world view of Buffett as the master of greed.
Now you're putting words in my mouth that I never once uttered. Yes, I acknowledged that fans can get tix through their local PH clubs but what if they don't have one locally? Wouldn't it make more sense to set up something through Margaritaville.com that would enable
all of his fanbase to join so they could be privy to ticket presales?
What words did I put in your mouth? You've spent most of this thread saying Buffett's only charging what he does because he's greedy.
You said I chose ignore the Parrothead club thing because it didn't fit my world view of Buffett as the master of greed. I never once said he was "the master of greed". Greedy? Yes, because I can see no other reason why he would continue to charge $126 for high end tickets when other performers that also fill large arenas and stadiums actually make an effort to keep ticket prices affordable.
LIPH wrote:I belong to 2 Parrot Head clubs, neither of which is local to where I live. I used to belong to a third that wasn't local either. I joined them because I have friends in the clubs who are local and I've gotten club tickets to concerts from each club. There's also a Virtual Parrot Head club that anyone can join and be eligible for club tickets.
I wasn't aware of that. I just figured he'd have something set up similar to other peformers that would be through his official web site rather than the Parrothead Clubs. From other responses in this thread I don't see how this has made it easier for fans to obtain tix. Do these PH clubs offer pre-sales?
Usually the Clubs in the areas of a particular show (for instance I think the PH clubs in MA and RI and maybe more have access for Great Woods) have access to blocks of tickets that are then distributed in ways that the clubs have outlined - usually having to do with accumulating 'points' by attending/helping out with charity events that the club plans.
Posted: January 30, 2007 5:01 pm
by Demerara
Let me see if I understand the crux of the argument:
Jimmy's ticket prices (for pavilion seats, in particular) are too expensive and that he isn't doing much to keep them down.
vs.
The onus isn't on Jimmy to keep ticket prices down, and that those who can't afford pavilion seats should be happy with cheaper lawn tickets.
Is that about right?
Well, I'd love to see Jimmy again this summer, but I'm not going to pay $250 plus service charges for a pair of tickets, plus travel, accommodation and food costs. And I'm not going to drive 4+ hours to sit/stand on the lawn. But I'm not mad about it. Like I said earlier, I'd love to drink Dom Perignon but I'm not going to pay the price. I certainly don't hold it against anyone who does, though.
Posted: January 30, 2007 5:17 pm
by Tiki Torches
Tiki Torches wrote:LIPH wrote:Second, are you saying because Buffett's made his millions already he shouldn't make anymore? It sure sounds that way.
That isn't what I'm saying at all. You're putting words in my mouth I never once uttered. Sure he deserves to make more money. I'm just saying at this point in his career where he's a millionaire, does he really have to charge $126 for high end seats, especially when there are performers out there equal to (if not superior to) his status that actually make an effort to keep prices down? Pearl Jam sell out large stadiums internationally yet they somehow manage to keep the cost of ticket prices down. Buffett and other performers could do the same but they choose not to.
LIPH wrote:If you're not going to pay $126, why do you even care?
Because the following question (Does Anyone REALLY think ticket prices are too high?) was posed in this thread and I answered it to the best of my ability.
LIPH wrote:Why should Jimmy Buffett base his ticket prices on what any other performer charges?
Because if
they can do it, it's a clear indication that he can too. That he doesn't speaks volumes about those peformers that actually look out for their fans monetarily versus those that don't. That would put Buffett in the latter category.
LIPH wrote:I'm not a Pearl Jam fan so I don't know where they play but if by "large stadiums" you mean football, baseball or soccer stadiums, maybe that's why they can keep prices down. A 60,000 or more seat stadium at $40 or $50/ticket brings in a nice chunk of cash. Buffett normally doesn't play large stadiums.
I used that as an example only to say they are capable of filling those size venues on a regular basis, they also play much smaller venues, comparable to the sheds Buffett plays.
Posted: January 30, 2007 5:19 pm
by SMLCHNG
Indiana Jolly Mon wrote:AAAHHHHH! I cant read anymore of this without summing up what a few people cant seem to understand:
1) Tickets are not all $126.00, that is the most expensive, there are a LOT of others.
2) The fact that the scalpers get a ton of tickets and charge a lot is NOT JIMMY'S FAULT. Blame ticketmaster.
3) Scalpers are smart enough to join fan clubs for presales.
4) JB is not DMB, why in the hell does every argument go back to that? Why compare the two? A better comparison is U2 or the Stones.
If you dont want to pay 40 for a lawn seat, then DONT GO, please STFU about it, stop whining and if you have so much time, get a second job so you can afford the $40.00
Yes JB has a lot of money, and yes he wants to make more, that is the way it works, we are not communists. Dont fault the man for treating his business like a business.
BRAVO, RIGHT ON, AND YOU'RE DEAD RIGHT.
Posted: January 30, 2007 5:21 pm
by Tiki Torches
Not a very good example. For one, I wasn't refering to shows in Germany or special packages. I was refering to the price of a ticket, period. Primo seats for recent tours have been in the $50-80 range. I have no idea what they are at present, particularly for the overseas tour they'll be embarking upon later this year.
Posted: January 30, 2007 5:29 pm
by Tiki Torches
Indiana Jolly Mon wrote:AAAHHHHH! I cant read anymore of this without summing up what a few people cant seem to understand:
1) Tickets are not all $126.00, that is the most expensive, there are a LOT of others.
I'm aware of that and mentioned it in my posts.
Indiana Jolly Mon wrote:2) The fact that the scalpers get a ton of tickets and charge a lot is NOT JIMMY'S FAULT. Blame ticketmaster.
I don't think I ever blamed the scalper situation on Buffett.
Indiana Jolly Mon wrote:3) Scalpers are smart enough to join fan clubs for presales.
I stated that fanclub presales aren't flawless. At least some effort is being made to deter scalping which is far more effective than doing nothing at all. Some tickets are always going to fall into their hands no matter what measures are taken.
Indiana Jolly Mon wrote:4) JB is not DMB, why in the hell does every argument go back to that? Why compare the two? A better comparison is U2 or the Stones.
When Buffett is filling large arenas on an international level on a regular basis, then he can be compared to the U2 or the Stones. In the meantime, someone like DMB that fills the same sized venues as Buffett makes for a fair comparison.
Indiana Jolly Mon wrote:If you dont want to pay 40 for a lawn seat, then DONT GO, please STFU about it, stop whining and if you have so much time, get a second job so you can afford the $40.00
$40 for a lawn seat is reasonable, I was refering to $126 for a ticket. As for "whining", the question about ticket costs was posed in this thread and I answered it, there was no "whining" involved.
Indiana Jolly Mon wrote:Yes JB has a lot of money, and yes he wants to make more, that is the way it works, we are not communists. Dont fault the man for treating his business like a business.
He has every right to charge what he wants but when they're are others out there leading by example by charging less for high end tix he could do the same but doesn't. When it comes to primo seats my money will be going towards those performers, not Buffett.
Posted: January 30, 2007 6:26 pm
by sunseeker
Tiki Torches wrote:
Not a very good example. For one, I wasn't refering to shows in Germany or special packages. I was refering to the price of a ticket, period. Primo seats for recent tours have been in the $50-80 range. I have no idea what they are at present, particularly for the overseas tour they'll be embarking upon later this year.
I think its an excellent example....even Pearl Jam had their high priced tickets that no one can afford....
Posted: January 30, 2007 6:39 pm
by SchoolGirlHeart
SMLCHNG wrote:Indiana Jolly Mon wrote:AAAHHHHH! I cant read anymore of this without summing up what a few people cant seem to understand:
1) Tickets are not all $126.00, that is the most expensive, there are a LOT of others.
2) The fact that the scalpers get a ton of tickets and charge a lot is NOT JIMMY'S FAULT. Blame ticketmaster.
3) Scalpers are smart enough to join fan clubs for presales.
4) JB is not DMB, why in the hell does every argument go back to that? Why compare the two? A better comparison is U2 or the Stones.
If you dont want to pay 40 for a lawn seat, then DONT GO, please STFU about it, stop whining and if you have so much time, get a second job so you can afford the $40.00
Yes JB has a lot of money, and yes he wants to make more, that is the way it works, we are not communists. Dont fault the man for treating his business like a business.
BRAVO, RIGHT ON, AND YOU'RE DEAD RIGHT.
what they said!
Posted: January 30, 2007 6:47 pm
by Tiki Torches
sunseeker wrote:Tiki Torches wrote:
Not a very good example. For one, I wasn't refering to shows in Germany or special packages. I was refering to the price of a ticket, period. Primo seats for recent tours have been in the $50-80 range. I have no idea what they are at present, particularly for the overseas tour they'll be embarking upon later this year.
I think its an excellent example....even Pearl Jam had their high priced tickets that no one can afford....
It's not comparable at all to the conversation taking place about the price of Buffett tickets. What you have referenced is an exclusive package that in no way resembles anything that's even entered the conversation in regard to the price of Buffett tickets. It's also for an overseas date. To my knowledge Buffett doesn't even perform overseas tours.
Posted: January 30, 2007 6:50 pm
by SchoolGirlHeart
where's Jodibug?
Posted: January 30, 2007 6:51 pm
by balcony girls
. .tiki torches . . ? ?
. .I guess my only question is . .
. .why do you even bother to spend time on a website that supports and applauds Jimmy . . ? ?
. . it doesn't seem you have much interest here . .in the person, or his music . .
Posted: January 30, 2007 6:54 pm
by Tiki Torches
balcony girls wrote:. .tiki torches . . ? ?
. .I guess my only question is . .
. .why do you even bother to spend time on a website that supports and applauds Jimmy . . ? ?
. . it doesn't seem you have much interest here . .in the person, or his music . .
When and where did I ever say anything about not having interest in Buffett or his music? Someone posed a question about what we thought of high ticket prices and I weighed in, just as others have, with my own opinion.
Posted: January 30, 2007 6:59 pm
by balcony girls
Tiki Torches wrote:
When and where did I ever say anything about not having interest in Buffett or his music? Someone posed a question about what we thought of high ticket prices and I weighed in, just as others have, with my own opinion.
. .I think every post you made about Jimmy being greedy . . .and every post commenting on how other bands have equal, or greater talent, yet charge less for their concerts . .
. . pretty much says you don't " get " the whole ParrotHead experience . . which, to me, is 90% of why I DO enjoy Jimmy . . and am willing to pay for it . .
Posted: January 30, 2007 7:01 pm
by Wino you know
Last thing I'll say on this topic (unless I want to say something else later)-
ARE the ticket prices too high? YEAH, MAYBE.
Compared to EVERYTHING ELSE, I'd say it's probably right in the middle.
What it comes down to is who we CHOOSE to give our money to-
Jimmy Buffett,
the casinos,
DISNEY F'ING WORLD,
other musical acts where the entertainment value is NOTHING like what you get at a Buffett concert,
A trip to Bendover, Kansas to see Aunt Millie,
A bunch of "Let's Go Fishing" DVDs,
and on and on and on.
I CHOOSE to give my money to Mr. Buffett.
It may be $126.00, but I TRY to be positive about the money spent and look at what I get in return. Yeah, I may have to listen to that God Damn "Cheeseburger In Freaking Paradise" for the 835 millionth time, but am I the ONLY one who seems to get so much more out of all this than just a concert? When you factor in the pre-partys, tailgating, gathering with friends (even I still have a few of THOSE), and everything else that goes with the concert, I'd say we (or, at least I) get more than my money's worth.
So I'll choose to give my money to Mr. Buffett, ticketbastard, and whoever else I have to to enjoy myself and continue going to the concerts as long as there ARE concerts.
In the meantime, please give my regards to Aunt Millie.
Posted: January 30, 2007 7:02 pm
by ragtopW
Tiki Torches wrote:
Indiana Jolly Mon wrote:4) JB is not DMB, why in the hell does every argument go back to that? Why compare the two? A better comparison is U2 or the Stones.
OK Let's go
there
DMB while they are entertaining.. and sell a lot of shows
The Business theory that Jimmy is operating under at last listen
was for
less exposure IE less shows, Limited live DVDS
and CDs..
making the JB and CRB Experience a limited thing
DMB OTOH has been playing on Directv as a FREE viewing for
3 months Now we all know that they are being paid for these showings
and the fact is that lowers the price they charge..
both in the fact it mitigates prioduction costs as well
as begats the attitude.. "Why pay I can see them on DTV."
BTW.. Let's compare Jimmy to the 'Stones
The 'Stones played Boise..
Posted: January 30, 2007 7:09 pm
by ragtopW
SchoolGirlHeart wrote:where's Jodibug?
I thought of her last night
Good Eats was on Popcorn...
