2007 NFL Thread

TommyBahama · Post by **TommyBahama** » January 6, 2008 11:17 am

blackjack wrote:
drunkpirate66 wrote:
Wino you know wrote:The Jaguars were damn lucky, but I'm glad they won.

IF San Diego wins tomorrow, it'll be Jaguars vs. Patriots and Chargers vs. Colts in the A.F.C.
Lucky?

I disgree.

How can you sack the opposing qb SIX times and make him throw 3 picks and a fumble and be called "lucky"?
100% Lucky.

Beating a team by 2 points that is missing no less than 6 starters.

Lucky.

P.S. You still owe me a $1 and a shot.

Hey they got a home town call on the 4th down....ward had the defender by the face mask....interference went the wrong way on that one!!!...Plus Scobee missed a earlier field goal...which 9 out of 10 times he makes....

LIPH · Post by **LIPH** » January 6, 2008 11:34 am

drunkpirate66 wrote:Some MVP Research . . . (actually I just glanced at today's Boston Globe)

Every MVP in the NFL since 1970 has been a Quarter Back or a Running Back . . . except for three . . .

1. 1986: Laurence Taylor (LB)
2. 1982: Mark Mosely (PK)
3. 1971: Alan Page:(DT)

Since 1970!

No way that for 34 of the last 37 years the MOST VALUABLE PLAYER IN THE NFL IS A QB OR AN RB!

Just goes to show how tainted voting is with fantasy type stats like big power numbers in the MLB.

Sad.

I'm surprised Randy Moss didn't get any votes.

jonesbeach10 · Post by **jonesbeach10** » January 6, 2008 11:52 am

drunkpirate66 wrote:Some MVP Research . . . (actually I just glanced at today's Boston Globe)

Every MVP in the NFL since 1970 has been a Quarter Back or a Running Back . . . except for three . . .

1. 1986: Laurence Taylor (LB)
2. 1982: Mark Mosely (PK)
3. 1971: Alan Page:(DT)

Since 1970!

No way that for 34 of the last 37 years the MOST VALUABLE PLAYER IN THE NFL IS A QB OR AN RB!

Just goes to show how tainted voting is with fantasy type stats like big power numbers in the MLB.

Sad.

I want to know how a kicker won MVP!

drunkpirate66 · Post by **drunkpirate66** » January 6, 2008 11:54 am

jonesbeach10 wrote:
drunkpirate66 wrote:Some MVP Research . . . (actually I just glanced at today's Boston Globe)

Every MVP in the NFL since 1970 has been a Quarter Back or a Running Back . . . except for three . . .

1. 1986: Laurence Taylor (LB)
2. 1982: Mark Mosely (PK)
3. 1971: Alan Page:(DT)

Since 1970!

No way that for 34 of the last 37 years the MOST VALUABLE PLAYER IN THE NFL IS A QB OR AN RB!

Just goes to show how tainted voting is with fantasy type stats like big power numbers in the MLB.

Sad.
I want to know how a kicker won MVP!

there has to be a reason . . .

drunkpirate66 · Post by **drunkpirate66** » January 6, 2008 11:54 am

LIPH wrote:
drunkpirate66 wrote:Some MVP Research . . . (actually I just glanced at today's Boston Globe)

Every MVP in the NFL since 1970 has been a Quarter Back or a Running Back . . . except for three . . .

1. 1986: Laurence Taylor (LB)
2. 1982: Mark Mosely (PK)
3. 1971: Alan Page:(DT)

Since 1970!

No way that for 34 of the last 37 years the MOST VALUABLE PLAYER IN THE NFL IS A QB OR AN RB!

Just goes to show how tainted voting is with fantasy type stats like big power numbers in the MLB.

Sad.
I'm surprised Randy Moss didn't get any votes.

you would think . . .

jonesbeach10 · Post by **jonesbeach10** » January 6, 2008 11:58 am

drunkpirate66 wrote:
LIPH wrote:
drunkpirate66 wrote:Some MVP Research . . . (actually I just glanced at today's Boston Globe)

Every MVP in the NFL since 1970 has been a Quarter Back or a Running Back . . . except for three . . .

1. 1986: Laurence Taylor (LB)
2. 1982: Mark Mosely (PK)
3. 1971: Alan Page:(DT)

Since 1970!

No way that for 34 of the last 37 years the MOST VALUABLE PLAYER IN THE NFL IS A QB OR AN RB!

Just goes to show how tainted voting is with fantasy type stats like big power numbers in the MLB.

Sad.
I'm surprised Randy Moss didn't get any votes.
you would think . . .

I thought the additions him and Welker were one of the big reasons they went undefeated. They've always had a solid defense and great O-Line, and obviously Brady, but their receivers are great!

drunkpirate66 · Post by **drunkpirate66** » January 6, 2008 12:01 pm

jonesbeach10 wrote:
drunkpirate66 wrote:
LIPH wrote:
drunkpirate66 wrote:Some MVP Research . . . (actually I just glanced at today's Boston Globe)

Every MVP in the NFL since 1970 has been a Quarter Back or a Running Back . . . except for three . . .

1. 1986: Laurence Taylor (LB)
2. 1982: Mark Mosely (PK)
3. 1971: Alan Page:(DT)

Since 1970!

No way that for 34 of the last 37 years the MOST VALUABLE PLAYER IN THE NFL IS A QB OR AN RB!

Just goes to show how tainted voting is with fantasy type stats like big power numbers in the MLB.

Sad.
I'm surprised Randy Moss didn't get any votes.
you would think . . .
I thought the additions him and Welker were one of the big reasons they went undefeated. They've always had a solid defense and great O-Line, and obviously Brady, but their receivers are great!

Mike Vrabel and Ty Warren, IMO, were the two most valuable players on the Patriots . . . Brady is awesome . . . his receivers are the best in the NFL this year (well deserved for Mr. MVP) but the voting is certainly limited, at best, to a position or two.

popcornjack · Post by **popcornjack** » January 6, 2008 12:03 pm

drunkpirate66 wrote:
jonesbeach10 wrote:
drunkpirate66 wrote:
LIPH wrote:
drunkpirate66 wrote:Some MVP Research . . . (actually I just glanced at today's Boston Globe)

Every MVP in the NFL since 1970 has been a Quarter Back or a Running Back . . . except for three . . .

1. 1986: Laurence Taylor (LB)
2. 1982: Mark Mosely (PK)
3. 1971: Alan Page:(DT)

Since 1970!

No way that for 34 of the last 37 years the MOST VALUABLE PLAYER IN THE NFL IS A QB OR AN RB!

Just goes to show how tainted voting is with fantasy type stats like big power numbers in the MLB.

Sad.
I'm surprised Randy Moss didn't get any votes.
you would think . . .
I thought the additions him and Welker were one of the big reasons they went undefeated. They've always had a solid defense and great O-Line, and obviously Brady, but their receivers are great!
Mike Vrabel and Ty Warren, IMO, were the two most valuable players on the Patriots . . . Brady is awesome . . . his receivers are the best in the NFL this year (well deserved for Mr. MVP) but the voting is certainly limited, at best, to a position or two.

What, no votes for Romo?

Morning Jon.

drunkpirate66 · Post by **drunkpirate66** » January 6, 2008 12:04 pm

popcornjack wrote:
drunkpirate66 wrote:
jonesbeach10 wrote:
drunkpirate66 wrote:
LIPH wrote:
drunkpirate66 wrote:Some MVP Research . . . (actually I just glanced at today's Boston Globe)

Every MVP in the NFL since 1970 has been a Quarter Back or a Running Back . . . except for three . . .

1. 1986: Laurence Taylor (LB)
2. 1982: Mark Mosely (PK)
3. 1971: Alan Page:(DT)

Since 1970!

No way that for 34 of the last 37 years the MOST VALUABLE PLAYER IN THE NFL IS A QB OR AN RB!

Just goes to show how tainted voting is with fantasy type stats like big power numbers in the MLB.

Sad.
I'm surprised Randy Moss didn't get any votes.
you would think . . .
I thought the additions him and Welker were one of the big reasons they went undefeated. They've always had a solid defense and great O-Line, and obviously Brady, but their receivers are great!
Mike Vrabel and Ty Warren, IMO, were the two most valuable players on the Patriots . . . Brady is awesome . . . his receivers are the best in the NFL this year (well deserved for Mr. MVP) but the voting is certainly limited, at best, to a position or two.
What, no votes for Romo?

Morning Jon.

Hi Jack . . .

Terrence Newman, TO, Marion Barber, Dallas Offensive Line . . . YES!

Romo . . . no.

INT's . . . ya know.

popcornjack · Post by **popcornjack** » January 6, 2008 12:08 pm

C'mon, you knew it was going to be no one but Brady. The QB is the "glamour" position, and voters will see all the receivers for the pats making those plays, and they will look at the common denominator: The guy getting them the ball.

drunkpirate66 · Post by **drunkpirate66** » January 6, 2008 12:10 pm

popcornjack wrote:C'mon, you knew it was going to be no one but Brady. The QB is the "glamour" position, and voters will see all the receivers for the pats making those plays, and they will look at the common denominator: The guy getting them the ball.

Sure. I know that the guy who broke the TD pass record was going to get it . . . and I obviusly think Brady is awesome . . . but 34 - 37 years of an QB or RB winning the MVP and no one else? No way.

BottleofRum · Post by **BottleofRum** » January 6, 2008 12:13 pm

jonesbeach10 wrote:
drunkpirate66 wrote:Some MVP Research . . . (actually I just glanced at today's Boston Globe)

Every MVP in the NFL since 1970 has been a Quarter Back or a Running Back . . . except for three . . .

1. 1986: Laurence Taylor (LB)
2. 1982: Mark Mosely (PK)
3. 1971: Alan Page:(DT)

Since 1970!

No way that for 34 of the last 37 years the MOST VALUABLE PLAYER IN THE NFL IS A QB OR AN RB!

Just goes to show how tainted voting is with fantasy type stats like big power numbers in the MLB.

Sad.
I want to know how a kicker won MVP!

I think the year he won it, 1982 was the strike shortened season. That season he was 16-19 in PAT's and 20-21 in FG's. He probably had some clutch GW kicks for the Redskins that year.

drunkpirate66 · Post by **drunkpirate66** » January 6, 2008 12:14 pm

BottleofRum wrote:
jonesbeach10 wrote:
drunkpirate66 wrote:Some MVP Research . . . (actually I just glanced at today's Boston Globe)

Every MVP in the NFL since 1970 has been a Quarter Back or a Running Back . . . except for three . . .

1. 1986: Laurence Taylor (LB)
2. 1982: Mark Mosely (PK)
3. 1971: Alan Page:(DT)

Since 1970!

No way that for 34 of the last 37 years the MOST VALUABLE PLAYER IN THE NFL IS A QB OR AN RB!

Just goes to show how tainted voting is with fantasy type stats like big power numbers in the MLB.

Sad.
I want to know how a kicker won MVP!
I think the year he won it, 1982 was the strike shortened season. That season he was 16-19 in PAT's and 20-21 in FG's. He probably had some clutch GW kicks for the Redskins that year.

didn't Rice have his big year that year though?

popcornjack · Post by **popcornjack** » January 6, 2008 12:15 pm

Keep in mind this is from wikipedia...

Mark DeWayne Moseley (born March 12, 1948 in Laneville, Texas), is a former professional American football placekicker in the National Football League who played for the Philadelphia Eagles (1970), the Houston Oilers (1971-1972), the Washington Redskins (1974-1986), and the Cleveland Browns (1986). With the retirement of the Minnesota Vikings' Rick Danmeier in 1982, Moseley became the sole full time straight on placekicker in the National Football League; there hasn't been one since. In the 1960's, the newer soccer-style was introduced by Hungarian brothers Pete and Charlie Gogolak and it became increasingly more popular.

Additionally, Moseley is the only placekicker in National Football League history to win the Most Valuable Player Award; he did so in the strike-shortened 1982 season. The Washington Redskins won Super Bowl XVII, beating the Miami Dolphins 27-17. In the game, Moseley kicked two field goals and was successful on all three of his extra point attempts. The following season, he led the NFL in scoring with 161 points.

BottleofRum · Post by **BottleofRum** » January 6, 2008 12:19 pm

drunkpirate66 wrote:
BottleofRum wrote:
jonesbeach10 wrote:
drunkpirate66 wrote:Some MVP Research . . . (actually I just glanced at today's Boston Globe)

Every MVP in the NFL since 1970 has been a Quarter Back or a Running Back . . . except for three . . .

1. 1986: Laurence Taylor (LB)
2. 1982: Mark Mosely (PK)
3. 1971: Alan Page:(DT)

Since 1970!

No way that for 34 of the last 37 years the MOST VALUABLE PLAYER IN THE NFL IS A QB OR AN RB!

Just goes to show how tainted voting is with fantasy type stats like big power numbers in the MLB.

Sad.
I want to know how a kicker won MVP!
I think the year he won it, 1982 was the strike shortened season. That season he was 16-19 in PAT's and 20-21 in FG's. He probably had some clutch GW kicks for the Redskins that year.
didn't Rice have his big year that year though?

Many people think Rice had his big year in 1982 but there were two strike season's in the 80's -- '82 and '87. Rice has his 22 TD's in '87. In 1982 Rice was a Sophomore at Mississippi Valley State University, his first year in the NFL wasn't until 1985.

1987 is the forgotten strike season, remember they still played the games and several players crossed the picket line including Doug Flutie and several others came out of retirement to play. I think the strike lasted 3 games and one game was canceled making it a 15 game season.

Joe Giibbs and the Redskins won the Super Bowl in both strike shortened season's.

LIPH · Post by **LIPH** » January 6, 2008 12:22 pm

popcornjack wrote:C'mon, you knew it was going to be no one but Brady. The QB is the "glamour" position, and voters will see all the receivers for the pats making those plays, and they will look at the common denominator: The guy getting them the ball.

Brady already won 3 Super Bowls without big time receivers but he never had a year like this before. Does anybody honestly think he would have thrown 50 TD passes if Moss wasn't on that team? I'm not saying Moss should have been the MVP, but his name has to be in the conversation.

BottleofRum · Post by **BottleofRum** » January 6, 2008 12:32 pm

LIPH wrote:
popcornjack wrote:C'mon, you knew it was going to be no one but Brady. The QB is the "glamour" position, and voters will see all the receivers for the pats making those plays, and they will look at the common denominator: The guy getting them the ball.
Brady already won 3 Super Bowls without big time receivers but he never had a year like this before. Does anybody honestly think he would have thrown 50 TD passes if Moss wasn't on that team? I'm not saying Moss should have been the MVP, but his name has to be in the conversation.

No he wouldn't of had 50 TD's without Moss, probably not even 35.

I am pretty sure the MVP voting process in the NFL is each voter just picks one player only. If it was like baseball where they list their 1st, 2nd, 3rd etc... selection, Moss would have received plenty of votes. They probably looked at it this way, without Moss the Patriots are a 12 win team, without Brady they are a 7 win team.

popcornjack · Post by **popcornjack** » January 6, 2008 12:33 pm

LIPH wrote:
popcornjack wrote:C'mon, you knew it was going to be no one but Brady. The QB is the "glamour" position, and voters will see all the receivers for the pats making those plays, and they will look at the common denominator: The guy getting them the ball.
Brady already won 3 Super Bowls without big time receivers but he never had a year like this before. Does anybody honestly think he would have thrown 50 TD passes if Moss wasn't on that team? I'm not saying Moss should have been the MVP, but his name has to be in the conversation.

No way he would have.

drunkpirate66 · Post by **drunkpirate66** » January 6, 2008 12:37 pm

popcornjack wrote:
LIPH wrote:
popcornjack wrote:C'mon, you knew it was going to be no one but Brady. The QB is the "glamour" position, and voters will see all the receivers for the pats making those plays, and they will look at the common denominator: The guy getting them the ball.
Brady already won 3 Super Bowls without big time receivers but he never had a year like this before. Does anybody honestly think he would have thrown 50 TD passes if Moss wasn't on that team? I'm not saying Moss should have been the MVP, but his name has to be in the conversation.
No way he would have.

Which is a worthless stat . . . like going 16 - 0. Without Moss, however, Brady would've been competing for a Super Bowl which he is pretty darn good at if you hadn't noticed with your view blocked by Romo's INT total.

popcornjack · Post by **popcornjack** » January 6, 2008 1:04 pm

drunkpirate66 wrote:
popcornjack wrote:
LIPH wrote:
popcornjack wrote:C'mon, you knew it was going to be no one but Brady. The QB is the "glamour" position, and voters will see all the receivers for the pats making those plays, and they will look at the common denominator: The guy getting them the ball.
Brady already won 3 Super Bowls without big time receivers but he never had a year like this before. Does anybody honestly think he would have thrown 50 TD passes if Moss wasn't on that team? I'm not saying Moss should have been the MVP, but his name has to be in the conversation.
No way he would have.
Which is a worthless stat . . . like going 16 - 0. Without Moss, however, Brady would've been competing for a Super Bowl which he is pretty darn good at if you hadn't noticed with your view blocked by Romo's INT total.

Yeah, but INT stats are about as telling as TD stats. last time I checked, both teams were number one seeds in their conferences.