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I'm growing to like Larry and, frankly, I feel killing him would be a severe injustice to our society.krusin1 wrote:Cynical much?LIPH wrote:Why wouldn't it be a market? Justice is bought and sold every day.
"The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers". - (Act IV, Scene II, Henry the VIII, Shakespeare.)
That'd go a long way towards solving our healthcare AND justice system problems...
Aside from the taxing issue and the lobbyist and politicians having some weird grecian orgy I think we're doing Ok.12vmanRick wrote:Government should only exist to protect basic human rights and freedoms. Some politicians believe otherwise, like that government is what made America great.
Remember the communist manifesto and the 10 things to make it to a Utopian Society?
. Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes. We still have this
2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax. We're Commies!
3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance. We still have this right
4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels. We are actually allowing them more
5. Centralization of credit in the banks of the state, by means of a national bank with state capital and an exclusive monopoly. We don't have this yet
6. Centralization of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the state. We still have a choice here
7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the state; the bringing into cultivation of waste lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan. Lobbyist and Washington are working toward this one but Dems seem against it
8. Equal obligation of all to work. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture. We've never had this and deadbeats still get theirs . . .errr more likely mine
9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of all the distinction between town and country by a more equable distribution of the populace over the country. We don't have this yet
10. Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children's factory labor in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production, etc. Our kids aren't working in schools for industry
Take a look at how far along we already are toward this. If you don't think some are pushing right toward this, guess again.
or at least all the young women who actually believe he's hot besides Larry is a PH he can't be all bad even if he is a lawyermjeischen wrote:I'm growing to like Larry and, frankly, I feel killing him would be a severe injustice to our society.krusin1 wrote:Cynical much?LIPH wrote:Why wouldn't it be a market? Justice is bought and sold every day.
"The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers". - (Act IV, Scene II, Henry the VIII, Shakespeare.)
That'd go a long way towards solving our healthcare AND justice system problems...
We barely have #1 left, #2 is gone, #3 is so taxed to death it barely exists, #4 only is ignored when it comes to illegals, they willfully steal true American's property, #5 we are so close to a monopoly on that it's pathetic, look at mortgage and credit cards, #6 is all but gone with the Patriot Act, #7 will happen in the next 10 years, #8 has been taken care of with Wellfare and other such programs that equalize people taking away individual rights, #9 you are right, not yet. #10 we are so there it's unbelievable and even the books are mandated by the government in them.mjeischen wrote:Aside from the taxing issue and the lobbyist and politicians having some weird grecian orgy I think we're doing Ok.12vmanRick wrote:Government should only exist to protect basic human rights and freedoms. Some politicians believe otherwise, like that government is what made America great.
Remember the communist manifesto and the 10 things to make it to a Utopian Society?
. Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes. We still have this
2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax. We're Commies!
3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance. We still have this right
4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels. We are actually allowing them more
5. Centralization of credit in the banks of the state, by means of a national bank with state capital and an exclusive monopoly. We don't have this yet
6. Centralization of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the state. We still have a choice here
7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the state; the bringing into cultivation of waste lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan. Lobbyist and Washington are working toward this one but Dems seem against it
8. Equal obligation of all to work. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture. We've never had this and deadbeats still get theirs . . .errr more likely mine
9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of all the distinction between town and country by a more equable distribution of the populace over the country. We don't have this yet
10. Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children's factory labor in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production, etc. Our kids aren't working in schools for industry
Take a look at how far along we already are toward this. If you don't think some are pushing right toward this, guess again.
We've got a ways to go to be full blown commies.
No, they don't. They have the right to pursue it. Whether or not they get there is a very different story.mjeischen wrote:Basic Human rights and Freedoms . . . You don't believe someone has the right to a healthy quality life in this country?12vmanRick wrote:Government should only exist to protect basic human rights and freedoms. Some politicians believe otherwise, like that government is what made America great.
I used to love watching "Bedtime for Bonzo" when I was a kid.12vmanRick wrote:a real president!krusin1 wrote:
(I really miss Mr. Reagan.)
It's a shame people don't see it that way any longer. College kid get's in trouble with to much credit card debt, no problem mommy and daddy will bail me out. Adults want a bigger house they can't afford, it's ok the government will freeze your interest rate. Geez I wish I had a ARM it would have saved me several hundred a month and instead of buying a small condo I could have had a big home. Hmm I wonder where people get the idea they are entitledConchRepublican wrote: This is the land of opportunity, not entitlement.
Ok. I'm convinced.12vmanRick wrote:or at least all the young women who actually believe he's hot besides Larry is a PH he can't be all bad even if he is a lawyermjeischen wrote:I'm growing to like Larry and, frankly, I feel killing him would be a severe injustice to our society.krusin1 wrote:Cynical much?LIPH wrote:Why wouldn't it be a market? Justice is bought and sold every day.
"The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers". - (Act IV, Scene II, Henry the VIII, Shakespeare.)
That'd go a long way towards solving our healthcare AND justice system problems...
ConchRepublican wrote:No, they don't. They have the right to pursue it. Whether or not they get there is a very different story.mjeischen wrote:Basic Human rights and Freedoms . . . You don't believe someone has the right to a healthy quality life in this country?12vmanRick wrote:Government should only exist to protect basic human rights and freedoms. Some politicians believe otherwise, like that government is what made America great.
This is the land of opportunity, not entitlement.
lol what a great story, load of crap but great storyThe Lost Manatee wrote:Something that a friend of mine forwarded to me as a reminder that many things happen because of the government that wouldn't happen otherwise.
A DAY IN THE LIFE OF JOE REPUBLICAN
Joe gets up at 6 a.m. and fills his coffeepot with water to prepare
his morning coffee. The water is clean and good because some
tree-hugging liberal fought for minimum water-quality standards.
With his first swallow of water, he takes his daily medication. His
medications are safe to take because some stupid commie liberal
fought to ensure their safety and that they work as advertised.
All but $10 of his medications are paid for by his employer's medical
plan because some liberal union workers fought their employers for
paid medical insurance - now Joe gets it too.
He prepares his morning breakfast, bacon and eggs. Joe's bacon is
safe to eat because some girly-man liberal fought for laws to
regulate the meat packing industry.
In the morning shower, Joe reaches for his shampoo. His bottle is
properly labeled with each ingredient and its amount in the total
contents because some crybaby liberal fought for his right to know
what he was putting on his body and how much it contained.
Joe dresses, walks outside and takes a deep breath. The air he
breathes is clean because some environmentalist wacko liberal fought
for the laws to stop industries from polluting our air.
He walks on the government-provided sidewalk to subway station for
his government-subsidized ride to work. It saves him considerable
money in parking and transportation fees because some fancy-pants
liberal fought for affordable public transportation, which gives
everyone the opportunity to be a contributor.
Joe begins his work day. He has a good job with excellent pay,
medical benefits, retirement, paid holidays and vacation because some
lazy liberal union members fought and died for these working
standards. Joe's employer pays these standards because Joe's
employer doesn't want his employees to call the union.
If Joe is hurt on the job or becomes unemployed, he'll get a worker
compensation or unemployment check because some stupid liberal didn't
think he should lose his home because of his temporary misfortune.
It is noontime and Joe needs to make a bank deposit so he can pay
some bills. Joe's deposit is federally insured by the FSLIC because
some godless liberal wanted to protect Joe's money from unscrupulous
bankers who ruined the banking system before the Great Depression.
Joe has to pay his Fannie Mae-underwritten mortgage and his
below-market federal student loan because some elitist liberal
decided that Joe and the government would be better off if he was
educated and earned more money over his lifetime. Joe also forgets
that his in addition to his federally subsidized student loans, he
attended a state funded university.
Joe is home from work. He plans to visit his father this evening at
his farm home in the country. He gets in his car for the drive. His
car is among the safest in the world because some America-hating
liberal fought for car safety standards to go along with the
tax-payer funded roads.
He arrives at his boyhood home. His was the third generation to live
in the house financed by Farmers' Home Administration because bankers
didn't want to make rural loans.
The house didn't have electricity until some big-government liberal
stuck his nose where it didn't belong and demanded rural
electrification.
He is happy to see his father, who is now retired. His father lives
on Social Security and a union pension because some wine-drinking,
cheese-eating liberal made sure he could take care of himself so Joe
wouldn't have to.
Joe gets back in his car for the ride home, and turns on a radio
talk show. The radio host keeps saying that liberals are bad and
conservatives are good. He doesn't mention that the beloved
Republicans have fought against every protection and benefit Joe
enjoys throughout his day. Joe agrees:
"We don't need those big-government liberals ruining our lives!
After all, I'm a self-made man who believes everyone should take care
of themselves, just like I have."
It really IS one of the few things this country is good at and willing to spend almost unlimited taxpayers' money on. Nice contribution to civilization.Partially true, but then again, usually the biggest winners on the "ruthless profit" side tend to be the biggest donators and supporters of charitable works.AlbatrossFlyer wrote:i'm all for free markets, but free markets have no ethics, morals, safety protections, and are slow to self correct and are pretty ugly when they do. they serve only one purpose and that is to ruthlessly and efficiently produce maximum profit...
Actually I do quite often.....ConchRepublican wrote: How many people actually pay more for something they could get for less because they like the company, people, or think they are nice or deserving of help?
I see things a little differentlymjeischen wrote:12vmanRick wrote: Remember the communist manifesto and the 10 things to make it to a Utopian Society?
. Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes.
I own my house. Well the bank owns it until I buy it all then I own it. Where they hell are we giving this away. People own the property they buy.
How about those emminent domain rulings lately?
2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax. Has been most everywhere for some time. People have to pay for "stuff" . . . you didn't think you were entitled to roads, public works, police and fire protection did you?
How about taxes to stop people from others consider a vice? Smoking, driving in cities. If you want people to stop doing something, tax it. Bloomberg in NY says it all the time
3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance.
We do get taxed on inheritance as well as 90% of the other things we have in our lives. I'm over it.
Check!
4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels. Kind of like the Native Americans when your ancestors wanted to live here? By seizing property of Americans are you meaning criminals? I'm not sure I'm following here.
See emminent domain again
5. Centralization of credit in the banks of the state, by means of a national bank with state capital and an exclusive monopoly. YOu have a checking and savings with the Federal Reserve Bank becaasue it is your only choice? I have choices here in fact 1 on every corner it seems. What about Mortgages and Credit Cards how is the government raking in on that. Its not their money. Matter of Fact I deduct my interest from my taxes . . . essentially taking from the government what they thought they could have
I think the concern here is there are less and less independent banks
6. Centralization of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the state. What does wire tapping have to do with state run media outlets!? DId you understand what this meant. THe Patriot Act has no bearing on this at all . . . Your referencing the wire tapping and information gathering by the government to aid in our Jihad on Terror. I believe the most controversial elements of this will be amended in the near future. Otherwise we do not have state run media outlets . . . KAtie Couric and Matt Lauer do not work for the government. Some news outlets are a little off kilter - maybe not "fair and balanced" but not state run.
I agree here. I have no problem with the Patriot Act, historically some rights are suspended or limited in times of war. The fact that this is limited and comes up for review and renewal makes this a non-issue for me
7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the state; the bringing into cultivation of waste lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan. In the next 10 years you and I can get a front row seat listen t o some Jimmy and drink some beers while we watch the government take over the industrial landscape.
I'm not sure here, although the government does kinda control anything that's done on anyone's land. Through Environmental impact studies they can stop or approve whatever they like, if they have a mind to
8. Equal obligation of all to work. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture. We should have an equal obligation to work I wish we had this.
I'm all for service to the country. A mandatory 2 year service I think would be good for everybody. Then again, maybe because that doesn't effect me anymore (although I did consider service, not physically able though)
9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of all the distinction between town and country by a more equable distribution of the populace over the country. I'm more concerned about the blurred distinction between church and state
Well, people do rail against the strip malling of America. How many towns now do look exactly like?
10. Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children's factory labor in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production, etc. We don't have Free education in fact we're furthest from it. My property taxes are through the roof paying for these schools. . . more taxes . . . The government is mandating school improvement because no one else is holding them accountable . . . no reason to be a nation of mental midgets.
Exactly. Vouchers please and let the public system implode. Serving too many masters means you get nothing done.
I don't see what you see.