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AlbatrossFlyer wrote:

ConchRepublican wrote: How many people actually pay more for something they could get for less because they like the company, people, or think they are nice or deserving of help?

Actually I do quite often.....

ConchRepublican wrote: . Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes.
I own my house. Well the bank owns it until I buy it all then I own it. Where they hell are we giving this away. People own the property they buy.
How about those emminent domain rulings lately?


2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax. Has been most everywhere for some time. People have to pay for "stuff" . . . you didn't think you were entitled to roads, public works, police and fire protection did you?

How about taxes to stop people from others consider a vice? Smoking, driving in cities. If you want people to stop doing something, tax it. Bloomberg in NY says it all the time

3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance.
We do get taxed on inheritance as well as 90% of the other things we have in our lives. I'm over it.

Check!

4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels. Kind of like the Native Americans when your ancestors wanted to live here? By seizing property of Americans are you meaning criminals? I'm not sure I'm following here.
See emminent domain again


5. Centralization of credit in the banks of the state, by means of a national bank with state capital and an exclusive monopoly. YOu have a checking and savings with the Federal Reserve Bank becaasue it is your only choice? I have choices here in fact 1 on every corner it seems. What about Mortgages and Credit Cards how is the government raking in on that. Its not their money. Matter of Fact I deduct my interest from my taxes . . . essentially taking from the government what they thought they could have
I think the concern here is there are less and less independent banks

6. Centralization of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the state. What does wire tapping have to do with state run media outlets!? DId you understand what this meant. THe Patriot Act has no bearing on this at all . . . Your referencing the wire tapping and information gathering by the government to aid in our Jihad on Terror. I believe the most controversial elements of this will be amended in the near future. Otherwise we do not have state run media outlets . . . KAtie Couric and Matt Lauer do not work for the government. Some news outlets are a little off kilter - maybe not "fair and balanced" but not state run.
I agree here. I have no problem with the Patriot Act, historically some rights are suspended or limited in times of war. The fact that this is limited and comes up for review and renewal makes this a non-issue for me

7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the state; the bringing into cultivation of waste lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan. In the next 10 years you and I can get a front row seat listen t o some Jimmy and drink some beers while we watch the government take over the industrial landscape.
I'm not sure here, although the government does kinda control anything that's done on anyone's land. Through Environmental impact studies they can stop or approve whatever they like, if they have a mind to

8. Equal obligation of all to work. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture. We should have an equal obligation to work I wish we had this.
I'm all for service to the country. A mandatory 2 year service I think would be good for everybody. Then again, maybe because that doesn't effect me anymore (although I did consider service, not physically able though)

9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of all the distinction between town and country by a more equable distribution of the populace over the country. I'm more concerned about the blurred distinction between church and state

Well, people do rail against the strip malling of America. How many towns now do look exactly like?

10. Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children's factory labor in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production, etc. We don't have Free education in fact we're furthest from it. My property taxes are through the roof paying for these schools. . . more taxes . . . The government is mandating school improvement because no one else is holding them accountable . . . no reason to be a nation of mental midgets.
Exactly. Vouchers please and let the public system implode. Serving too many masters means you get nothing done.

I don't see what you see.

mjeischen wrote:

ConchRepublican wrote: . Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes.
I own my house. Well the bank owns it until I buy it all then I own it. Where they hell are we giving this away. People own the property they buy.
How about those emminent domain rulings lately?


2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax. Has been most everywhere for some time. People have to pay for "stuff" . . . you didn't think you were entitled to roads, public works, police and fire protection did you?

How about taxes to stop people from others consider a vice? Smoking, driving in cities. If you want people to stop doing something, tax it. Bloomberg in NY says it all the time

3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance.
We do get taxed on inheritance as well as 90% of the other things we have in our lives. I'm over it.

Check!

4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels. Kind of like the Native Americans when your ancestors wanted to live here? By seizing property of Americans are you meaning criminals? I'm not sure I'm following here.
See emminent domain again


5. Centralization of credit in the banks of the state, by means of a national bank with state capital and an exclusive monopoly. YOu have a checking and savings with the Federal Reserve Bank becaasue it is your only choice? I have choices here in fact 1 on every corner it seems. What about Mortgages and Credit Cards how is the government raking in on that. Its not their money. Matter of Fact I deduct my interest from my taxes . . . essentially taking from the government what they thought they could have
I think the concern here is there are less and less independent banks

6. Centralization of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the state. What does wire tapping have to do with state run media outlets!? DId you understand what this meant. THe Patriot Act has no bearing on this at all . . . Your referencing the wire tapping and information gathering by the government to aid in our Jihad on Terror. I believe the most controversial elements of this will be amended in the near future. Otherwise we do not have state run media outlets . . . KAtie Couric and Matt Lauer do not work for the government. Some news outlets are a little off kilter - maybe not "fair and balanced" but not state run.
I agree here. I have no problem with the Patriot Act, historically some rights are suspended or limited in times of war. The fact that this is limited and comes up for review and renewal makes this a non-issue for me

an open-ended war against no defined foe. Seems like a blank check from here. and as for "open for review"... rubber-stamping the provisions passed when everyone was running around like chickens without heads for another 2-5 years doesn't exactly sound like "reviewing", more like, "if I don't vote for this silly-a##ed bill, my opponent will use it to bludgeon me with in the next 10 cycles assuming I can retain my seat in my gerrymandered district..."[/color]

7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the state; the bringing into cultivation of waste lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan. In the next 10 years you and I can get a front row seat listen t o some Jimmy and drink some beers while we watch the government take over the industrial landscape.
I'm not sure here, although the government does kinda control anything that's done on anyone's land. Through Environmental impact studies they can stop or approve whatever they like, if they have a mind to

8. Equal obligation of all to work. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture. We should have an equal obligation to work I wish we had this.
I'm all for service to the country. A mandatory 2 year service I think would be good for everybody. Then again, maybe because that doesn't effect me anymore (although I did consider service, not physically able though)

9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of all the distinction between town and country by a more equable distribution of the populace over the country. I'm more concerned about the blurred distinction between church and state

Well, people do rail against the strip malling of America. How many towns now do look exactly like?

10. Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children's factory labor in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production, etc. We don't have Free education in fact we're furthest from it. My property taxes are through the roof paying for these schools. . . more taxes . . . The government is mandating school improvement because no one else is holding them accountable . . . no reason to be a nation of mental midgets.
Exactly. Vouchers please and let the public system implode. Serving too many masters means you get nothing done.

I don't see what you see.

I see things a little differently

flyboy55 wrote:Really good idea (universal health care).

I did like the comment about the only part of government that works well is the military - killing folks and breaking things. It really IS one of the few things this country is good at and willing to spend almost unlimited taxpayers' money on. Nice contribution to civilization.

krusin1 wrote:

flyboy55 wrote:Really good idea (universal health care).

I did like the comment about the only part of government that works well is the military - killing folks and breaking things. It really IS one of the few things this country is good at and willing to spend almost unlimited taxpayers' money on. Nice contribution to civilization.

CAREFUL THERE fb55... you are insulting the brave men and women who provide the very freedom you (ab)use every time you open your misguided mouth.

The U.S. Military has provided freedom and advanced human rights for more people than every other group on earth combined. In just the last century they stopped the Nazis, won the Cold War (peace through strength), saved the nation of Kuwait, and put Saddam's torture and rape chambers out of business.

Contribution to civilization? The U.S. Military has literally SAVED civilization.

You need to back off and stick to talking about things you understand.

Wino you know wrote:

krusin1 wrote:

flyboy55 wrote:Really good idea (universal health care).

I did like the comment about the only part of government that works well is the military - killing folks and breaking things. It really IS one of the few things this country is good at and willing to spend almost unlimited taxpayers' money on. Nice contribution to civilization.

CAREFUL THERE fb55... you are insulting the brave men and women who provide the very freedom you (ab)use every time you open your misguided mouth.

The U.S. Military has provided freedom and advanced human rights for more people than every other group on earth combined. In just the last century they stopped the Nazis, won the Cold War (peace through strength), saved the nation of Kuwait, and put Saddam's torture and rape chambers out of business.

Contribution to civilization? The U.S. Military has literally SAVED civilization.

You need to back off and stick to talking about things you understand.

My sister needs a husband.
Are you available?

krusin1 wrote:Sorry, no. Happily married with a beautiful wife and two wonderful children.

However, sir, I am honored by your question. Thank you.

Wino you know wrote:

krusin1 wrote:Sorry, no. Happily married with a beautiful wife and two wonderful children.

Be thankful for them. Be VERY thankful.

However, sir, I am honored by your question. Thank you.

You wouldn't say that if you knew my sister.
As I said, be VERY thankful for what you have. (And what you DON'T have).

Wino you know wrote:Keep the government the hell out of the health care business.
And just about every damn thing else.
PERIOD! If people want to live in socialist Europe, they have the freedom to go.

mjeischen wrote:

Wino you know wrote:Keep the government the hell out of the health care business.
And just about every damn thing else.
PERIOD! If people want to live in socialist Europe, they have the freedom to go.

The Healthcare business is extortion. How else does one recommend we fix it?

Wino you know wrote:

mjeischen wrote:

Wino you know wrote:Keep the government the hell out of the health care business.
And just about every damn thing else.
PERIOD! If people want to live in socialist Europe, they have the freedom to go.

The Healthcare business is extortion. How else does one recommend we fix it?

Two REALLY EASY ways that would help would be for medical savings accounts and for some people to quit going to the E.R. every damn time they pass gas.

Elrod wrote:Interesting thread.

mjeischen wrote:But sometimes my gas causes really uncomfortable cramping and it hurts.

SOmeone had a great idea detailing an account type system a few pages prior . . . It was so much government as most fear and as it always does . . . it looked good on paper.