Posted: July 27, 2008 6:24 pm
It helps that no team in their division is over .500.Joetown Parrothead wrote:SMLCHNG wrote:
Two sweeps in 3 series..
They are starting to play some good ball right now!
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Posted: July 27, 2008 6:36 pm
Arizona is...drunkpirate66 wrote: It helps that no team in their division is over .500.
And two of the 3 teams we've played in the last 3 series weren't in our division.
Posted: July 27, 2008 6:47 pm
I meant over .500 for more then a day or two.SMLCHNG wrote:Arizona is...drunkpirate66 wrote: It helps that no team in their division is over .500.
And two of the 3 teams we've played in the last 3 series weren't in our division.
But, yeah, Colorado is doing good . . . would love to see Holladay in a Red Sox uniform.
Posted: July 27, 2008 6:52 pm
drunkpirate66 wrote:I meant over .500 for more then a day or two.
But, yeah, Colorado is doing good . . . would love to see Holladay in a Red Sox uniform.
I know... I'm nitpicking... Don't think the Rockies will let Matt go... but who knows... 
Posted: July 27, 2008 7:08 pm
Unfortuatley Holladay, like all young big name players, will most likely go to a big market team when his contract runs out. He is one of the big reasons why the Red Sox are hesitant to make a move on Manny's option. Holladay is younger and worth more and the Red Sox will put together a massive bid for him. Jason Bay is one of the few players who didn't go big market although Pittsburgh isn't small. Holladay will get something like 17 million a year for 8 - 9 years.SMLCHNG wrote:drunkpirate66 wrote:I meant over .500 for more then a day or two.
But, yeah, Colorado is doing good . . . would love to see Holladay in a Red Sox uniform.
Posted: July 27, 2008 7:19 pm
Pssst, Jon? It's Holliday..
Posted: July 27, 2008 7:21 pm
psst . . . he is a future big market east coast player . . . regardless of the vowel.SMLCHNG wrote:Pssst, Jon? It's Holliday..
Posted: July 27, 2008 7:25 pm
I can see The Mets pulling the trigger on this...Minya is in love with Manny and here is his opportunity..even if it's for the rest of this season..plus the option if they want it....what the mets have to give up ..I'm not sure other then a highly taughted outfielder who's name escapes me..i think it's Hernandez or Martinez!!drunkpirate66 wrote:15 minutes after I posted that Manny Ramirez told ESPN Deportes that he would honor a trade . . . :lolI: I still don't think he is going anywhere. There is a huge list of reasons why but primarily the Red Sox would have to look to the National League and the only team in contention out there that I could see Manny going to would be the Mets. The Red Sox would practically insist that if they trade Manny that his new team would agree in principle to picking up his option so the Sox get picks.popcorn jack wrote:Thanks. Thanks for the jinx.drunkpirate66 wrote:Manny is not going anywhere. The Red Sox will not trade him and they will not pick up his option. He will be a Red Sox outfielder through the duration of this season. It is that simple.
The Red Sox will try to make a move for Brian Fuentes. But that is about it. They have a couple above average arms in Triple A.
The Red Sox have a very easy schedule throughout the rest of the season. The Yankees do not. Rays is no cake walk either. Despite the fact the Red Sox have not been playing well I think they slide into the playoffs based on strength of schedule, Ortiz's bat, Manny playing for money, and Crisp and Elsbury at least improving a little because they can't get worse - - - and Lowrie should improve . . . any way you slice it, the AL East and Wild Card will be tight.
I just don't see the Red Sox doing it. What would fair value be? The Nomar trade was genius. Can Theo Epstein do it again?
Posted: July 27, 2008 7:33 pm
I just can't see the Red Sox getting equal value. Best move, IMO, is no move. Red Sox don't trade Manny. Red Sox don't pick up his option and I bet no other team does either at 20 million. Red Sox can then negotiate. Manny does not have the numbers or the age to justify anthing but a pay cut on a 3 year contract.TommyBahama wrote:I can see The Mets pulling the trigger on this...Minya is in love with Manny and here is his opportunity..even if it's for the rest of this season..plus the option if they want it....what the mets have to give up ..I'm not sure other then a highly taughted outfielder who's name escapes me..i think it's Hernandez or Martinez!!drunkpirate66 wrote:15 minutes after I posted that Manny Ramirez told ESPN Deportes that he would honor a trade . . . :lolI: I still don't think he is going anywhere. There is a huge list of reasons why but primarily the Red Sox would have to look to the National League and the only team in contention out there that I could see Manny going to would be the Mets. The Red Sox would practically insist that if they trade Manny that his new team would agree in principle to picking up his option so the Sox get picks.popcorn jack wrote:Thanks. Thanks for the jinx.drunkpirate66 wrote:Manny is not going anywhere. The Red Sox will not trade him and they will not pick up his option. He will be a Red Sox outfielder through the duration of this season. It is that simple.
The Red Sox will try to make a move for Brian Fuentes. But that is about it. They have a couple above average arms in Triple A.
The Red Sox have a very easy schedule throughout the rest of the season. The Yankees do not. Rays is no cake walk either. Despite the fact the Red Sox have not been playing well I think they slide into the playoffs based on strength of schedule, Ortiz's bat, Manny playing for money, and Crisp and Elsbury at least improving a little because they can't get worse - - - and Lowrie should improve . . . any way you slice it, the AL East and Wild Card will be tight.
I just don't see the Red Sox doing it. What would fair value be? The Nomar trade was genius. Can Theo Epstein do it again?
Posted: July 27, 2008 7:37 pm
you think they'd even give him a three year deal, regardless of the price?
Posted: July 27, 2008 7:41 pm
oh i agree......but i think if the Sox have a chance to reload with Prospects...they would strongly consider....i think they want to get rid of the Headache....you don't know which Manny you will get now and the Sox aren't sure...and we all know when Manny isn't happy...what he is like!!..it's a tough call.drunkpirate66 wrote:I just can't see the Red Sox getting equal value. Best move, IMO, is no move. Red Sox don't trade Manny. Red Sox don't pick up his option and I bet no other team does either at 20 million. Red Sox can then negotiate. Manny does not have the numbers or the age to justify anthing but a pay cut on a 3 year contract.TommyBahama wrote:I can see The Mets pulling the trigger on this...Minya is in love with Manny and here is his opportunity..even if it's for the rest of this season..plus the option if they want it....what the mets have to give up ..I'm not sure other then a highly taughted outfielder who's name escapes me..i think it's Hernandez or Martinez!!drunkpirate66 wrote:15 minutes after I posted that Manny Ramirez told ESPN Deportes that he would honor a trade . . . :lolI: I still don't think he is going anywhere. There is a huge list of reasons why but primarily the Red Sox would have to look to the National League and the only team in contention out there that I could see Manny going to would be the Mets. The Red Sox would practically insist that if they trade Manny that his new team would agree in principle to picking up his option so the Sox get picks.popcorn jack wrote:Thanks. Thanks for the jinx.drunkpirate66 wrote:Manny is not going anywhere. The Red Sox will not trade him and they will not pick up his option. He will be a Red Sox outfielder through the duration of this season. It is that simple.
The Red Sox will try to make a move for Brian Fuentes. But that is about it. They have a couple above average arms in Triple A.
The Red Sox have a very easy schedule throughout the rest of the season. The Yankees do not. Rays is no cake walk either. Despite the fact the Red Sox have not been playing well I think they slide into the playoffs based on strength of schedule, Ortiz's bat, Manny playing for money, and Crisp and Elsbury at least improving a little because they can't get worse - - - and Lowrie should improve . . . any way you slice it, the AL East and Wild Card will be tight.
I just don't see the Red Sox doing it. What would fair value be? The Nomar trade was genius. Can Theo Epstein do it again?
Posted: July 27, 2008 7:46 pm
Not so sure. Manny has been stupid many times over his 8 years in Boston (albeit pushing an old man to the floor is pretty bad). They are in the playoff race so there is no way they dump Manny just for prospects. None. The fans would never forgive that. They have to play for this year based on their position in the standings. Manny stays or they get equal value. In other words, Manny stays. They might WANT to get rid of the Headache but they simply can't. Manny in the playoffs has always been clutch and unless they get back an amazing deal from a three team trade that I just don't see coming then Manny will be in the lineup as much as possible.TommyBahama wrote:oh i agree......but i think if the Sox have a chance to reload with Prospects...they would strongly consider....i think they want to get rid of the Headache....you don't know which Manny you will get now and the Sox aren't sure...and we all know when Manny isn't happy...what he is like!!..it's a tough call.drunkpirate66 wrote:I just can't see the Red Sox getting equal value. Best move, IMO, is no move. Red Sox don't trade Manny. Red Sox don't pick up his option and I bet no other team does either at 20 million. Red Sox can then negotiate. Manny does not have the numbers or the age to justify anthing but a pay cut on a 3 year contract.TommyBahama wrote:I can see The Mets pulling the trigger on this...Minya is in love with Manny and here is his opportunity..even if it's for the rest of this season..plus the option if they want it....what the mets have to give up ..I'm not sure other then a highly taughted outfielder who's name escapes me..i think it's Hernandez or Martinez!!drunkpirate66 wrote:15 minutes after I posted that Manny Ramirez told ESPN Deportes that he would honor a trade . . . :lolI: I still don't think he is going anywhere. There is a huge list of reasons why but primarily the Red Sox would have to look to the National League and the only team in contention out there that I could see Manny going to would be the Mets. The Red Sox would practically insist that if they trade Manny that his new team would agree in principle to picking up his option so the Sox get picks.popcorn jack wrote:Thanks. Thanks for the jinx.drunkpirate66 wrote:Manny is not going anywhere. The Red Sox will not trade him and they will not pick up his option. He will be a Red Sox outfielder through the duration of this season. It is that simple.
The Red Sox will try to make a move for Brian Fuentes. But that is about it. They have a couple above average arms in Triple A.
The Red Sox have a very easy schedule throughout the rest of the season. The Yankees do not. Rays is no cake walk either. Despite the fact the Red Sox have not been playing well I think they slide into the playoffs based on strength of schedule, Ortiz's bat, Manny playing for money, and Crisp and Elsbury at least improving a little because they can't get worse - - - and Lowrie should improve . . . any way you slice it, the AL East and Wild Card will be tight.
I just don't see the Red Sox doing it. What would fair value be? The Nomar trade was genius. Can Theo Epstein do it again?
Posted: July 27, 2008 7:48 pm
Oh sure.popcornjack wrote:you think they'd even give him a three year deal, regardless of the price?
Posted: July 27, 2008 8:08 pm
the are getting fed up with hi, i think...and i think even the fans are...i lsten to WEEI and there aren't as Many Manny supporters...i would float him out there ..because you never know...and of course it would have to be the right deal...i'm a Manny fan as a player..i always thought he was the best right handed hitter in baseball!....so i don't want to see him go...but he is starting to make me wonder..if he will just go through the motions..no matter what someone will give him a big contract!!..i wonder if the Braves would trade Texiera for him..through in Francour or Matt dIAZ!!drunkpirate66 wrote:Not so sure. Manny has been stupid many times over his 8 years in Boston (albeit pushing an old man to the floor is pretty bad). They are in the playoff race so there is no way they dump Manny just for prospects. None. The fans would never forgive that. They have to play for this year based on their position in the standings. Manny stays or they get equal value. In other words, Manny stays. They might WANT to get rid of the Headache but they simply can't. Manny in the playoffs has always been clutch and unless they get back an amazing deal from a three team trade that I just don't see coming then Manny will be in the lineup as much as possible.TommyBahama wrote:oh i agree......but i think if the Sox have a chance to reload with Prospects...they would strongly consider....i think they want to get rid of the Headache....you don't know which Manny you will get now and the Sox aren't sure...and we all know when Manny isn't happy...what he is like!!..it's a tough call.drunkpirate66 wrote:I just can't see the Red Sox getting equal value. Best move, IMO, is no move. Red Sox don't trade Manny. Red Sox don't pick up his option and I bet no other team does either at 20 million. Red Sox can then negotiate. Manny does not have the numbers or the age to justify anthing but a pay cut on a 3 year contract.TommyBahama wrote:I can see The Mets pulling the trigger on this...Minya is in love with Manny and here is his opportunity..even if it's for the rest of this season..plus the option if they want it....what the mets have to give up ..I'm not sure other then a highly taughted outfielder who's name escapes me..i think it's Hernandez or Martinez!!drunkpirate66 wrote:15 minutes after I posted that Manny Ramirez told ESPN Deportes that he would honor a trade . . . :lolI: I still don't think he is going anywhere. There is a huge list of reasons why but primarily the Red Sox would have to look to the National League and the only team in contention out there that I could see Manny going to would be the Mets. The Red Sox would practically insist that if they trade Manny that his new team would agree in principle to picking up his option so the Sox get picks.popcorn jack wrote:Thanks. Thanks for the jinx.
I just don't see the Red Sox doing it. What would fair value be? The Nomar trade was genius. Can Theo Epstein do it again?
Posted: July 27, 2008 8:11 pm
doubt Texiera . . . although I would take him in a second for Manny straight up. Youth and power . . .TommyBahama wrote:the are getting fed up with hi, i think...and i think even the fans are...i lsten to WEEI and there aren't as Many Manny supporters...i would float him out there ..because you never know...and of course it would have to be the right deal...i'm a Manny fan as a player..i always thought he was the best right handed hitter in baseball!....so i don't want to see him go...but he is starting to make me wonder..if he will just go through the motions..no matter what someone will give him a big contract!!..i wonder if the Braves would trade Texiera for him..through in Francour or Matt dIAZ!!drunkpirate66 wrote:Not so sure. Manny has been stupid many times over his 8 years in Boston (albeit pushing an old man to the floor is pretty bad). They are in the playoff race so there is no way they dump Manny just for prospects. None. The fans would never forgive that. They have to play for this year based on their position in the standings. Manny stays or they get equal value. In other words, Manny stays. They might WANT to get rid of the Headache but they simply can't. Manny in the playoffs has always been clutch and unless they get back an amazing deal from a three team trade that I just don't see coming then Manny will be in the lineup as much as possible.TommyBahama wrote:oh i agree......but i think if the Sox have a chance to reload with Prospects...they would strongly consider....i think they want to get rid of the Headache....you don't know which Manny you will get now and the Sox aren't sure...and we all know when Manny isn't happy...what he is like!!..it's a tough call.drunkpirate66 wrote:I just can't see the Red Sox getting equal value. Best move, IMO, is no move. Red Sox don't trade Manny. Red Sox don't pick up his option and I bet no other team does either at 20 million. Red Sox can then negotiate. Manny does not have the numbers or the age to justify anthing but a pay cut on a 3 year contract.TommyBahama wrote:I can see The Mets pulling the trigger on this...Minya is in love with Manny and here is his opportunity..even if it's for the rest of this season..plus the option if they want it....what the mets have to give up ..I'm not sure other then a highly taughted outfielder who's name escapes me..i think it's Hernandez or Martinez!!drunkpirate66 wrote: 15 minutes after I posted that Manny Ramirez told ESPN Deportes that he would honor a trade . . . :lolI: I still don't think he is going anywhere. There is a huge list of reasons why but primarily the Red Sox would have to look to the National League and the only team in contention out there that I could see Manny going to would be the Mets. The Red Sox would practically insist that if they trade Manny that his new team would agree in principle to picking up his option so the Sox get picks.
I just don't see the Red Sox doing it. What would fair value be? The Nomar trade was genius. Can Theo Epstein do it again?
Posted: July 27, 2008 8:15 pm
Another team...who could use a big bat is Florida..considering he lives there and they are still in the hunt....they have some young talent that i'd consider in the right package!!
Posted: July 27, 2008 8:21 pm
Sunday Night Baseball may be enjoyable tonight. No Joe Morgan!!...Steve Phillips is filling in and i think he does a great job!!
Posted: July 27, 2008 9:01 pm
Steve Phillips eats paste. I'm not defending Joe Morgan, but this is a lateral move at best.
Posted: July 27, 2008 9:04 pm
i like Phillips....very insightful i think!!...and anything is a upgrade from Morgan!!..The Mute button is a upgrade!!popcornjack wrote:Steve Phillips eats paste. I'm not defending Joe Morgan, but this is a lateral move at best.
Posted: July 27, 2008 9:09 pm
where I used to roll . . . the ABC Nursery School in Chelmsford, MA . . . eating paste made you a man.popcornjack wrote:Steve Phillips eats paste. I'm not defending Joe Morgan, but this is a lateral move at best.