surfpirate wrote:I own an original copy of Down To Earth on Barnaby Records. Only a few hundred of these exist, but apparently many, many people would like to own this album. It's value at the original point of sale was less than $5. Everyone involved in the original sale made the money they were entitled to make .... Jimmy Buffett, Barnaby Records, the record store and right on down the line. On a secondary market, I am able to sell it if I choose to the highest bidder on eBay. Perfectly legal and most people would agree that is a fair thing.
But if I were to apply those same principles and logic to a concert ticket resale on a legal secondary market, many people would freak out over the "morality" of the transaction. This strikes me as a double standard.
Talk amongst yourselves.
~~~~~~ surfpirate
OK I see your logic. However you OWN the alblum. You are subleasing the seat. The seat is not yours, you do not have any rights to the seat other than the date(s) and time printed on the ticket. It is wrong to sell at a profit that what is only leased to you.
Big difference.
surfpirate wrote:I own an original copy of Down To Earth on Barnaby Records. Only a few hundred of these exist, but apparently many, many people would like to own this album. It's value at the original point of sale was less than $5. Everyone involved in the original sale made the money they were entitled to make .... Jimmy Buffett, Barnaby Records, the record store and right on down the line. On a secondary market, I am able to sell it if I choose to the highest bidder on eBay. Perfectly legal and most people would agree that is a fair thing.
But if I were to apply those same principles and logic to a concert ticket resale on a legal secondary market, many people would freak out over the "morality" of the transaction. This strikes me as a double standard.
Talk amongst yourselves.
~~~~~~ surfpirate
OK I see your logic. However you OWN the alblum. You are subleasing the seat. The seat is not yours, you do not have any rights to the seat other than the date(s) and time printed on the ticket. It is wrong to sell at a profit that what is only leased to you.
Big difference.
I would be selling my rights to the seat on the date and time printed on the ticket (where legally allowed to do so). No difference, except many people consider that to be immoral.
I feel totally the opposite. I have no problems with brokers because all they are doing speculative buying the same as many do with stocks. Many times, brokers end up eating tickets or selling for a loss. Maybe not to Buffett, but 90% of the other events out there do not sell out. So they cannot charge an arm and a leg when all you have to do is dial up Ticketmaster and pay regular price.
Brokers provide a service, just like a hotel, restaurant, etc. Let's say that the Super Bowl is in town and a hotel is charging $1k/night. Now this is obviously a very high price to pay, but the demand is there and the hotel can name their price because of said demand. I don't hear too many people bickering about that. Don't like it, go stay somewhere else that you feel is a fair price. The same can be said for a nice steak dinner. It costs the restaurant only a fraction of the price people pay for their meal, but people pay it anyway and usually don't have an argument with the manager over pricing because they knew how much it costs before they ordered.
With brokers, I can pick the seats that I want to sit at, and pay what I feel is a fair price for those seats. If they are too high, I will not pay it. They simply make a profit in order to provide me exactly what I am paying for. America is built on free market capitalism and this is a great example of capitalism at its best. Without brokers, you have very few options of obtaining tickets when TM comes up sold out. Then you really want to hear complaining?
It's easy to blame brokers when in reality it's just that Jimmy Buffett remains one of the few acts that sells out most every concert he performs. We have all heard the complaints from Hannah Montana parents recently, but these people need to get a life. It is simple supply and demand. Not everybody ends up with a ticket when everybody and their brother wants to get in. There's simply no way to meet that kind of demand.
Now counterfeiters are a completely different story. Those are the folks that should beaten to death.
The only way to screw ticket brokers is to simply not buy from them. If everyone would take a hard line and not buy from them they would be out of business. However, the reality is, in fact, that as long as we put up with it the ticket brokers will be with us forever. Yesterday, my ParrotHead partners and crime and I spent a great deal of time on the phone figuring out what we were going to do about the Chicago shows. We found out after the fact that there was an Internet presale through the Chicago venue that ended yesterday morning. My friends found a broker, and we ended up buying our tickets as we did not want to deal with Ticket Master today when a lot of shows are going on sale. I'm not nuts about brokers, but in retrospect, I think my friends and I did the right thing. Not only do we have our tickets, but we have our hotel booked, because starting today it will be harder for us to plan everything out as these two Chicago shows are going to sell out fast, and hotels will be booked. My friends and I can sit back and be very happy that our planning is done.
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I just think it is nut`s with how many thousands of lawn seat`s there are at Alpine that when I`am on the phone at 9:55 and can`t even get a grass seat.When all your supposed to be able to get at one time is 6 tick.
How they can all be gone by 20 after when I finnally got thur...but then on ebay i see groups of way over 6 tick. for sale from same person???
P S I Blame Alan Jackson....was way easyer to get tick in old day`s!!
Ragtop Dawg wrote:I feel totally the opposite. I have no problems with brokers because all they are doing speculative buying the same as many do with stocks. Many times, brokers end up eating tickets or selling for a loss. Maybe not to Buffett, but 90% of the other events out there do not sell out. So they cannot charge an arm and a leg when all you have to do is dial up Ticketmaster and pay regular price.
Brokers provide a service, just like a hotel, restaurant, etc. Let's say that the Super Bowl is in town and a hotel is charging $1k/night. Now this is obviously a very high price to pay, but the demand is there and the hotel can name their price because of said demand. I don't hear too many people bickering about that. Don't like it, go stay somewhere else that you feel is a fair price. The same can be said for a nice steak dinner. It costs the restaurant only a fraction of the price people pay for their meal, but people pay it anyway and usually don't have an argument with the manager over pricing because they knew how much it costs before they ordered.
With brokers, I can pick the seats that I want to sit at, and pay what I feel is a fair price for those seats. If they are too high, I will not pay it. They simply make a profit in order to provide me exactly what I am paying for. America is built on free market capitalism and this is a great example of capitalism at its best. Without brokers, you have very few options of obtaining tickets when TM comes up sold out. Then you really want to hear complaining?
It's easy to blame brokers when in reality it's just that Jimmy Buffett remains one of the few acts that sells out most every concert he performs. We have all heard the complaints from Hannah Montana parents recently, but these people need to get a life. It is simple supply and demand. Not everybody ends up with a ticket when everybody and their brother wants to get in. There's simply no way to meet that kind of demand.
Now counterfeiters are a completely different story. Those are the folks that should beaten to death.
If someone wants to buy tix as an 'investment' to resell at a profit, hey this is America. My problem comes when these 'spec buyers' are given head of the line privileges and allowed to buy large blocks of tix.
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CaptainRRK wrote:The oppertunity for the everyday fan is not there. The tickets are sold out within minutes of the sale opening.
I'm an every day fan. I've been to about 45 Buffett shows in the last 4 years. Got tickets to every one of them (except one where I was comped) from ticketmaster the day they went on sale. Never had a problem getting tickets, never paid a scalper or a broker. I don't think I'm unusually lucky. If I was I'd get laid more often.
I know 16 people who wanted to go to Charlotte. I know 16 people who were able to get tickets yesterday. Both lawn and seats. I don't need the resellers at this time, but if I do, I am happy they are out there to give me secondary access to tickets that are unavailable as few as 10 minutes after sale time. Did I just say that out loud? Just think if nobody could resell? At 10:06 you're screwed.
surfpirate wrote:I own an original copy of Down To Earth on Barnaby Records. Only a few hundred of these exist, but apparently many, many people would like to own this album. It's value at the original point of sale was less than $5. Everyone involved in the original sale made the money they were entitled to make .... Jimmy Buffett, Barnaby Records, the record store and right on down the line. On a secondary market, I am able to sell it if I choose to the highest bidder on eBay. Perfectly legal and most people would agree that is a fair thing.
But if I were to apply those same principles and logic to a concert ticket resale on a legal secondary market, many people would freak out over the "morality" of the transaction. This strikes me as a double standard.
Talk amongst yourselves.
~~~~~~ surfpirate
OK I see your logic. However you OWN the alblum. You are subleasing the seat. The seat is not yours, you do not have any rights to the seat other than the date(s) and time printed on the ticket. It is wrong to sell at a profit that what is only leased to you.
Big difference.
I would be selling my rights to the seat on the date and time printed on the ticket (where legally allowed to do so). No difference, except many people consider that to be immoral.
If they were still producing that album it would be almost worthless. If Jimmy anounced this was his last tour everyone would pay extravagant prices and say nothing, but Jimmy is still touring and hasn't announced his retirement. You're comparing proverbial apples to proverbial oranges...
CaptainRRK wrote:The oppertunity for the everyday fan is not there. The tickets are sold out within minutes of the sale opening.
I'm an every day fan. I've been to about 45 Buffett shows in the last 4 years. Got tickets to every one of them (except one where I was comped) from ticketmaster the day they went on sale. Never had a problem getting tickets, never paid a scalper or a broker. I don't think I'm unusually lucky. If I was I'd get laid more often.
Yup, Larry and I post basically the same thing in every one of these broker threads (minus his last line )
But seriously, I want to know what the heck you guys are doing. Every on sale date I have gotten a ticket, and I am a regular guy. Are you logging on too late, giving up too early? i just dont understand it and it drives me nuts to hear the same, "Well we couldnt get tickets from Ticketmaster again this year because of the scalpers"
If i have gotten a ticket every on sale (and that is a lot of them), then I cant honestly believe that the people who are saying that the brokers got all the tickets and they couldnt get any this year, are people who are putting forth the effort. Even in the unlikely event you cant get a ticket on ticketmaster, they ALWAYS release tickets for weeks and weeks up until the day of the show. If that doesnt work, there is ebay if that suits your taste (and yes I have bought off ebay for WAY less than face value), and then there are the lots before the show, where tons of people try to get rid of tix.
I just CANNOT understand why people say that
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