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What's going on here?

Since the outbreak began in April, 1,017 people in 41 states, the District of Columbia and Canada have fallen ill, and at least 203 people have been hospitalized. One death -- a Texas man in his 80s -- has been associated with the outbreak.

Some 40,000 cases of salmonellosis are reported in the United States each year, although the CDC estimates that because milder cases are not diagnosed or reported, the actual number of infections may be 30 or more times greater. Approximately 600 people die each year after being infected.

All right if you do the math 40k cases per year is over 3k cases per month. 600 deaths = approx 1.75 deaths per day. So this 'outbreak' has one death and 1000 ill in over 2 months. What's going on here. Slow news day? Someone hate tomatoes? and jalapenos? I can be simple at times but the numbers aren't making sense and based on the 40K cases a year, I don't see the epidemic on 1000 cases.

Skibo wrote:What's going on here?

Since the outbreak began in April, 1,017 people in 41 states, the District of Columbia and Canada have fallen ill, and at least 203 people have been hospitalized. One death -- a Texas man in his 80s -- has been associated with the outbreak.

Some 40,000 cases of salmonellosis are reported in the United States each year, although the CDC estimates that because milder cases are not diagnosed or reported, the actual number of infections may be 30 or more times greater. Approximately 600 people die each year after being infected.

All right if you do the math 40k cases per year is over 3k cases per month. 600 deaths = approx 1.75 deaths per day. So this 'outbreak' has one death and 1000 ill in over 2 months. What's going on here. Slow news day? Someone hate tomatoes? and jalapenos? I can be simple at times but the numbers aren't making sense and based on the 40K cases a year, I don't see the epidemic on 1000 cases.

Thank You, Now please wash all fruits and Veggies before eating them.

They're making a big deal out of it because they can't explain it and it's caused death.

But it has caused only one death and is occuring at a lower rate than the national average. An entire industry has been damaged because of this "outbreak", Yeah, I'm bitter, I want a slice of tomato when I order my burger.

You are obviously thinking too much.

Be very careful. This could result in loss of citizenship - or worse.

While it certainly is a health concern, and they certainly do need to figure out what is causing this, I too think that some of the language is way over the top.

About 20 years ago, there was a salmonella outbreak in Chicago that sickened at least that many folks and caused several deaths. Because it was local they were able to isolate the problem pretty quickly.

Then, a year or so later there was another outbreak, from customers at a local deli-a smaller outbreak, but it took them a while to figure it all out-the deli closed, thoroughly cleaned, checked all employees, reopened and had an outbreak again. They eventually isolated it to something within some plumbing. That deli, by the way, defied all the odds, and reopened and got their business back pretty quickly-I know-I was one of those who got salmonella.

But I think in this case, with the illnesses not being isolated to one state or one restaurant, it is very difficult to solve. Personally, I hope it turns out to be cilantro because I can't stand the stuff!

NEO wrote:Thank You, Now please wash all fruits and Veggies before eating them.

Exactly. People don't wash their food before eating it.
It's not rocket science.

Is this of any consequence?
There is a new computer system with better capture of reports??
Who knows, there are way more cases of various food borne illness that are never reported , that may have caused many more deaths, all in the same time as the tomato witchhunt has taken place.

Has anyone noticed a rise of pertussis in their area?

There's a huge outbreak on Whitbey Island here and also in my hometown in Texas.

I think it's wierd.

ph4ever wrote:Has anyone noticed a rise of pertussis in their area?

Several cases of it at Victoria's school last year. I don't know whether it is true or not, but I've heard different people say it is because some parents are choosing not to immunize. However, it isn't the DTaP (diptheria, tetanus, pertussis) shot that seems to raise people's immunization eyebrows, but rather the MMR (measles, mumps, rubella) that has been suspected in some to trigger autism.

But what do I know.

buffettbride wrote:But what do I know.

boobies, sporks and pie

Oh yes, and I just got over a *wicked* case of "food poisoning" and I'm not sure where it came from--but I was the only one in the family to get it.

I wash ALLLLLL our food (who knows when someone at the grocery store could have touched my apples with gluten-y hands!), and I haven't put a raw tomato in my mouth in YEARS (because they are vile and nasty).

ph4ever wrote:

buffettbride wrote:But what do I know.

boobies, sporks and pie

and cheese. i'm great with cheese.

buffettbride wrote:

ph4ever wrote:Has anyone noticed a rise of pertussis in their area?

Several cases of it at Victoria's school last year. I don't know whether it is true or not, but I've heard different people say it is because some parents are choosing not to immunize. However, it isn't the DTaP (diptheria, tetanus, pertussis) shot that seems to raise people's immunization eyebrows, but rather the MMR (measles, mumps, rubella) that has been suspected in some to trigger autism.

But what do I know.

So were the children who did not receive the DTaP vacine the ones who got pertussis? Or the children who had the vaccine? Or was it a mix? If it was the 1st, then the parents of vacinated children have nothing to worry about. If it was the 2nd or 3rd, then maybe we should step back and question the effectiveness of the DTaP vaccine. Or even it's necessity. Or perhaps the vaccine for pertussis was compromised when it was packaged together with Diptheria and Tetanus. Sadly we don't know because the government has never required long term studies of the effects vaccines have on children.

green1 wrote:

buffettbride wrote:

ph4ever wrote:Has anyone noticed a rise of pertussis in their area?

Several cases of it at Victoria's school last year. I don't know whether it is true or not, but I've heard different people say it is because some parents are choosing not to immunize. However, it isn't the DTaP (diptheria, tetanus, pertussis) shot that seems to raise people's immunization eyebrows, but rather the MMR (measles, mumps, rubella) that has been suspected in some to trigger autism.

But what do I know.

So were the children who did not receive the DTaP vacine the ones who got pertussis? Or the children who had the vaccine? Or was it a mix? If it was the 1st, then the parents of vacinated children have nothing to worry about. If it was the 2nd or 3rd, then maybe we should step back and question the effectiveness of the DTaP vaccine.

I have no idea which one was what one who got pertussis. One would assume that only a child who was not immunized would contrat pertussis. If kids who had been immunized acquired pertussis, one would think there would be a social uproar. (I know I'd be p*** if my kids got pertussis and I knew they had been immunized and received appropriate boosters--I don't even remember if pertussis has a booster).

green1 wrote:

buffettbride wrote:

ph4ever wrote:Has anyone noticed a rise of pertussis in their area?

Several cases of it at Victoria's school last year. I don't know whether it is true or not, but I've heard different people say it is because some parents are choosing not to immunize. However, it isn't the DTaP (diptheria, tetanus, pertussis) shot that seems to raise people's immunization eyebrows, but rather the MMR (measles, mumps, rubella) that has been suspected in some to trigger autism.

But what do I know.

So were the children who did not receive the DTaP vacine the ones who got pertussis? Or the children who had the vaccine? Or was it a mix? If it was the 1st, then the parents of vacinated children have nothing to worry about. If it was the 2nd or 3rd, then maybe we should step back and question the effectiveness of the DTaP vaccine. Or even it's necessity. Or perhaps the vaccine for pertussis was compromised when it was packaged together with Diptheria and Tetanus. Sadly we don't know because the government has never required long term studies of the effects vaccines have on children.

Hell the FDA doesn't even do research on the meds out now. The research is done by the drug companies who report their findings to the FDA and then the FDA approves the drug. Like the drug companies are going to report adverse sides?

The FDA is a huge joke and a waste of our tax dollars.

buffettbride wrote:I have no idea which one was what one who got pertussis. One would assume that only a child who was not immunized would contrat pertussis. If kids who had been immunized acquired pertussis, one would think there would be a social uproar. (I know I'd be p*** if my kids got pertussis and I knew they had been immunized and received appropriate boosters--I don't even remember if pertussis has a booster).

There was an outbreak here in Northern VA of pertussis and it was not restricted to kids who were not vaccinated. In fact, when we asked the pediatrician if the kids who got it had all been vaccinated she said "yes". Now, this is not a scientific study by an stretch of the imagination, but it should raise questions about the effectiveness and/or need of the vaccine.

ph4ever wrote:

green1 wrote:

buffettbride wrote:

ph4ever wrote:Has anyone noticed a rise of pertussis in their area?

Several cases of it at Victoria's school last year. I don't know whether it is true or not, but I've heard different people say it is because some parents are choosing not to immunize. However, it isn't the DTaP (diptheria, tetanus, pertussis) shot that seems to raise people's immunization eyebrows, but rather the MMR (measles, mumps, rubella) that has been suspected in some to trigger autism.

But what do I know.

So were the children who did not receive the DTaP vacine the ones who got pertussis? Or the children who had the vaccine? Or was it a mix? If it was the 1st, then the parents of vacinated children have nothing to worry about. If it was the 2nd or 3rd, then maybe we should step back and question the effectiveness of the DTaP vaccine. Or even it's necessity. Or perhaps the vaccine for pertussis was compromised when it was packaged together with Diptheria and Tetanus. Sadly we don't know because the government has never required long term studies of the effects vaccines have on children.

Hell the FDA doesn't even do research on the meds out now. The research is done by the drug companies who report their findings to the FDA and then the FDA approves the drug. Like the drug companies are going to report adverse sides?

The FDA is a huge joke and a waste of our tax dollars.

You'd have been proud of Victoria last night. Some RX commercial came on and she said, "Mom, I'm not sure it is a good idea that there are commercials for prescription medicines."

buffettbride wrote:

ph4ever wrote:

green1 wrote:

buffettbride wrote:

ph4ever wrote:Has anyone noticed a rise of pertussis in their area?

Several cases of it at Victoria's school last year. I don't know whether it is true or not, but I've heard different people say it is because some parents are choosing not to immunize. However, it isn't the DTaP (diptheria, tetanus, pertussis) shot that seems to raise people's immunization eyebrows, but rather the MMR (measles, mumps, rubella) that has been suspected in some to trigger autism.

But what do I know.

So were the children who did not receive the DTaP vacine the ones who got pertussis? Or the children who had the vaccine? Or was it a mix? If it was the 1st, then the parents of vacinated children have nothing to worry about. If it was the 2nd or 3rd, then maybe we should step back and question the effectiveness of the DTaP vaccine. Or even it's necessity. Or perhaps the vaccine for pertussis was compromised when it was packaged together with Diptheria and Tetanus. Sadly we don't know because the government has never required long term studies of the effects vaccines have on children.

Hell the FDA doesn't even do research on the meds out now. The research is done by the drug companies who report their findings to the FDA and then the FDA approves the drug. Like the drug companies are going to report adverse sides?

The FDA is a huge joke and a waste of our tax dollars.

You'd have been proud of Victoria last night. Some RX commercial came on and she said, "Mom, I'm not sure it is a good idea that there are commercials for prescription medicines."

She's one smart kid!!!! I just love her to death!!!

ph4ever wrote:Hell the FDA doesn't even do research on the meds out now. The research is done by the drug companies who report their findings to the FDA and then the FDA approves the drug. Like the drug companies are going to report adverse sides?

The FDA is a huge joke and a waste of our tax dollars.

The FDA does do research on drugs, but the FDA receives the majority of their funding, not from the federal government but from pharmaceutical companies. That stems from legislation requring the drug companies to fund a portion of the cost of getting their products through the process. Liek so many other government plans, it was a nice idea, but inherently flawed at it's core. No one stepped up and asked about the conflict of interest in having the funding of an agency reliant upon the company which the agency is supposed to monitor.