chippewa wrote:I can't sleep last night, so I'm up watching some late night table tennis. I notice that in regular tennis when a ball is hit out of play, a ball boy/girl runs it down and someone throws the server a new ball. Same thing in volleyball, softball, etc. But in table tennis, the player has to turn around and walk 15 or 20 feet behind him to pick up the ball that rolled up against the wall. Just like in my Dad's basement!
In the 20 minutes I watched, I saw 8 minutes of exciting table tennis action and 12 minutes of guys walking back to get the ball. Seems like they could leave it, and someone could toss them another ball, no?
Just another example of the TRUE experience of a world-class athletic endeavour.
btw...did you happen to notice if there was also a snot-nosed little brother or sister sitting nearby pleading "I've got next game... I called it!!"??
$#@&...only Vegas again?? Padres ...gotta start believin'!Bring on '14 Spring Training!
Brown Eyed Girl wrote:What I don't understand is why the US isn't protesting this crap in gymnastics. It's not bad form or poor sportsmanship to challenge something that is clearly wrong, like the vault scores. If protests aren't filed and the judging not challenged, this kind of stuff will continue. Why would anyone even want to compete for the US in gymnastics in the future if their own organization doesn't step up and show the level of support that they should?
As far as the uneven bars last night there wasn't anything they could protest. The broadcasters said that the only thing they could protest was the start value of the routine and since that was correct they couldn't protest any of the subjective judging.
chippewa wrote:I can't sleep last night, so I'm up watching some late night table tennis. I notice that in regular tennis when a ball is hit out of play, a ball boy/girl runs it down and someone throws the server a new ball. Same thing in volleyball, softball, etc. But in table tennis, the player has to turn around and walk 15 or 20 feet behind him to pick up the ball that rolled up against the wall. Just like in my Dad's basement!
In the 20 minutes I watched, I saw 8 minutes of exciting table tennis action and 12 minutes of guys walking back to get the ball. Seems like they could leave it, and someone could toss them another ball, no?
Just another example of the TRUE experience of a world-class athletic endeavour. btw...did you happen to notice if there was also a snot-nosed little brother or sister sitting nearby pleading "I've got next game... I called it!!"??
Brown Eyed Girl wrote:What I don't understand is why the US isn't protesting this crap in gymnastics. It's not bad form or poor sportsmanship to challenge something that is clearly wrong, like the vault scores. If protests aren't filed and the judging not challenged, this kind of stuff will continue. Why would anyone even want to compete for the US in gymnastics in the future if their own organization doesn't step up and show the level of support that they should?
As far as the uneven bars last night there wasn't anything they could protest. The broadcasters said that the only thing they could protest was the start value of the routine and since that was correct they couldn't protest any of the subjective judging.
Which is why I specifically mentioned vault..which was indeed protestable. As for bars...NO ONE in that arena understood the tiebreaker formula, which leads me to believe it's questionable at best. Since obviously the deductions are subjective too, the tiebreaker formula is yet another innaccurate method of determining a winner. Go back to awarding double medals, it doesn't take anything away from the winners.
Brown Eyed Girl wrote:What I don't understand is why the US isn't protesting this crap in gymnastics. It's not bad form or poor sportsmanship to challenge something that is clearly wrong, like the vault scores. If protests aren't filed and the judging not challenged, this kind of stuff will continue. Why would anyone even want to compete for the US in gymnastics in the future if their own organization doesn't step up and show the level of support that they should?
As far as the uneven bars last night there wasn't anything they could protest. The broadcasters said that the only thing they could protest was the start value of the routine and since that was correct they couldn't protest any of the subjective judging.
Which is why I specifically mentioned vault..which was indeed protestable. As for bars...NO ONE in that arena understood the tiebreaker formula, which leads me to believe it's questionable at best. Since obviously the deductions are subjective too, the tiebreaker formula is yet another innaccurate method of determining a winner. Go back to awarding double medals, it doesn't take anything away from the winners.
I agree and I thought I heard Bela Karolyi say that double medals are awarded in other Olympic sports, but not allowed in gymnastics per the IOC. Did anyone else hear that?
Brown Eyed Girl wrote:What I don't understand is why the US isn't protesting this crap in gymnastics. It's not bad form or poor sportsmanship to challenge something that is clearly wrong, like the vault scores. If protests aren't filed and the judging not challenged, this kind of stuff will continue. Why would anyone even want to compete for the US in gymnastics in the future if their own organization doesn't step up and show the level of support that they should?
As far as the uneven bars last night there wasn't anything they could protest. The broadcasters said that the only thing they could protest was the start value of the routine and since that was correct they couldn't protest any of the subjective judging.
Which is why I specifically mentioned vault..which was indeed protestable. As for bars...NO ONE in that arena understood the tiebreaker formula, which leads me to believe it's questionable at best. Since obviously the deductions are subjective too, the tiebreaker formula is yet another innaccurate method of determining a winner. Go back to awarding double medals, it doesn't take anything away from the winners.
I agree and I thought I heard Bela Karolyi say that double medals are awarded in other Olympic sports, but not allowed in gymnastics per the IOC. Did anyone else hear that?
I've seen double medals a couple of times already in other events. Found this online regarding gymnastics...
Gymnastics used to give out duplicate medals at the Olympics. In a bit of irony, Liukin’s father, Valeri, got one of his gold medals at the 1988 Olympics after tying teammate Vladimir Artemov on high bar. But the International Olympic Committee told the FIG to stop sharing medals after the Atlanta Games, and a tie-break system was implemented in 1997.
Brown Eyed Girl wrote:What I don't understand is why the US isn't protesting this crap in gymnastics. It's not bad form or poor sportsmanship to challenge something that is clearly wrong, like the vault scores. If protests aren't filed and the judging not challenged, this kind of stuff will continue. Why would anyone even want to compete for the US in gymnastics in the future if their own organization doesn't step up and show the level of support that they should?
As far as the uneven bars last night there wasn't anything they could protest. The broadcasters said that the only thing they could protest was the start value of the routine and since that was correct they couldn't protest any of the subjective judging.
Which is why I specifically mentioned vault..which was indeed protestable. As for bars...NO ONE in that arena understood the tiebreaker formula, which leads me to believe it's questionable at best. Since obviously the deductions are subjective too, the tiebreaker formula is yet another innaccurate method of determining a winner. Go back to awarding double medals, it doesn't take anything away from the winners.
I agree and I thought I heard Bela Karolyi say that double medals are awarded in other Olympic sports, but not allowed in gymnastics per the IOC. Did anyone else hear that?
No, there are no longer double medals in any Olympic sport. That changed after the Atlanta Olympics. In all other competitions, including worlds, multiple medals are awarded if they are earned. Who knows what the tiebreaker forumulas are for all the other sports, so far it's only come into play in gymnastics.
Brown Eyed Girl wrote:What I don't understand is why the US isn't protesting this crap in gymnastics. It's not bad form or poor sportsmanship to challenge something that is clearly wrong, like the vault scores. If protests aren't filed and the judging not challenged, this kind of stuff will continue. Why would anyone even want to compete for the US in gymnastics in the future if their own organization doesn't step up and show the level of support that they should?
As far as the uneven bars last night there wasn't anything they could protest. The broadcasters said that the only thing they could protest was the start value of the routine and since that was correct they couldn't protest any of the subjective judging.
Which is why I specifically mentioned vault..which was indeed protestable. As for bars...NO ONE in that arena understood the tiebreaker formula, which leads me to believe it's questionable at best. Since obviously the deductions are subjective too, the tiebreaker formula is yet another innaccurate method of determining a winner. Go back to awarding double medals, it doesn't take anything away from the winners.
I agree and I thought I heard Bela Karolyi say that double medals are awarded in other Olympic sports, but not allowed in gymnastics per the IOC. Did anyone else hear that?
I've seen double medals a couple of times already in other events. Found this online regarding gymnastics...
Gymnastics used to give out duplicate medals at the Olympics. In a bit of irony, Liukin’s father, Valeri, got one of his gold medals at the 1988 Olympics after tying teammate Vladimir Artemov on high bar. But the International Olympic Committee told the FIG to stop sharing medals after the Atlanta Games, and a tie-break system was implemented in 1997.
Interesting, the article I got my info from did not single out gymnastics...looked to be all sports. No wonder no one has a clue what's going on.
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When the Jamaican women swept the 100 meters, it was gold-silver-silver. That's the one I can think of right now. In a swim or track race, I'd think you have to have double medals, I would guess only in a "judged" event could you have tiebreakers.
springparrot wrote:How did Fei Cheng get such a high score after almost falling of the beam twice
The Chinese have been getting very favorable marks from inexperienced judges.
This is the OLYMPICS!
Why don't they have been judges?
Because the really experienced judges are not allowed to judge the event. Per the rules if you are a judge from country x and country x is participating in event y then no judge from country x can judge that event. So if the Chinese, Russians, Americans, Romania, Germans etc all have athletes participating that takes away the pool of experienced judges.
Brown Eyed Girl wrote:What I don't understand is why the US isn't protesting this crap in gymnastics. It's not bad form or poor sportsmanship to challenge something that is clearly wrong, like the vault scores. If protests aren't filed and the judging not challenged, this kind of stuff will continue. Why would anyone even want to compete for the US in gymnastics in the future if their own organization doesn't step up and show the level of support that they should?
As far as the uneven bars last night there wasn't anything they could protest. The broadcasters said that the only thing they could protest was the start value of the routine and since that was correct they couldn't protest any of the subjective judging.
Which is why I specifically mentioned vault..which was indeed protestable. As for bars...NO ONE in that arena understood the tiebreaker formula, which leads me to believe it's questionable at best. Since obviously the deductions are subjective too, the tiebreaker formula is yet another innaccurate method of determining a winner. Go back to awarding double medals, it doesn't take anything away from the winners.
I agree and I thought I heard Bela Karolyi say that double medals are awarded in other Olympic sports, but not allowed in gymnastics per the IOC. Did anyone else hear that?
I've seen double medals a couple of times already in other events. Found this online regarding gymnastics...
Gymnastics used to give out duplicate medals at the Olympics. In a bit of irony, Liukin’s father, Valeri, got one of his gold medals at the 1988 Olympics after tying teammate Vladimir Artemov on high bar. But the International Olympic Committee told the FIG to stop sharing medals after the Atlanta Games, and a tie-break system was implemented in 1997.
Interesting, the article I got my info from did not single out gymnastics...looked to be all sports. No wonder no one has a clue what's going on.
Ok I should have the bela interview from last night on DVR I'm oing to find it and see if I heard him correctly.
diverg wrote:
As far as the uneven bars last night there wasn't anything they could protest. The broadcasters said that the only thing they could protest was the start value of the routine and since that was correct they couldn't protest any of the subjective judging.
Which is why I specifically mentioned vault..which was indeed protestable. As for bars...NO ONE in that arena understood the tiebreaker formula, which leads me to believe it's questionable at best. Since obviously the deductions are subjective too, the tiebreaker formula is yet another innaccurate method of determining a winner. Go back to awarding double medals, it doesn't take anything away from the winners.
I agree and I thought I heard Bela Karolyi say that double medals are awarded in other Olympic sports, but not allowed in gymnastics per the IOC. Did anyone else hear that?
I've seen double medals a couple of times already in other events. Found this online regarding gymnastics...
Gymnastics used to give out duplicate medals at the Olympics. In a bit of irony, Liukin’s father, Valeri, got one of his gold medals at the 1988 Olympics after tying teammate Vladimir Artemov on high bar. But the International Olympic Committee told the FIG to stop sharing medals after the Atlanta Games, and a tie-break system was implemented in 1997.
Interesting, the article I got my info from did not single out gymnastics...looked to be all sports. No wonder no one has a clue what's going on.
Ok I should have the bela interview from last night on DVR I'm oing to find it and see if I heard him correctly.
You probably did (although does anyone understand what that man says? ), it wouldn't be the first time the Times printed misleading info. What Scott says makes sense, although given the BS that has gone on in this Olympics, I wouldn't be surprised by anything at this point. And in looking back, I remember the announcers saying that Michael Phelps wouldn't have lost that 200 butterfly, he would have tied.
about understanding Bela-----
They talked to Mary Lou this week and she said for years, she had no idea what he was saying while he was coaching her.
She just nodded and tried something else
