School shooting

Skibo · Post by **Skibo** » August 21, 2008 12:51 pm

Knoxville

I didn't even realize school started yet.

green1 · Post by **green1** » August 21, 2008 12:56 pm

What is wrong with kids these days? One kid 10 feet away heard what happened, realized it was real and then ran away to call his mom. No thought to try and help the kid who was juts shot. Unreal.

chippewa · Post by **chippewa** » August 21, 2008 12:57 pm

How does a student have access to a gun, much less get it into a school? Why do we keep allowing this to happen?

Brown Eyed Girl · Post by **Brown Eyed Girl** » August 21, 2008 12:58 pm

Very sad.

Like the article said, it appears to be a specific act of aggression toward one student, not like the school shootings we typically hear about. That doesn't make it any less tragic, however.

Our schools have been in session since the last week of July, most others since the first week of Aug. Starting before Labor Day has become the norm in many states.

citcat · Post by **citcat** » August 21, 2008 1:00 pm

Our schools here have been in session for almost two weeks. I can remember in Louisville, our school days didn't start until the day after Labor Day.

Phinpower for everybody in Knoxville.

SharkOnLand · Post by **SharkOnLand** » August 21, 2008 1:01 pm

green1 wrote:What is wrong with kids these days? One kid 10 feet away heard what happened, realized it was real and then ran away to call his mom. No thought to try and help the kid who was juts shot. Unreal.

If the other kid still had the gun, I think I'd be running the other way too. If he really wanted the other kid dead, he might be willing to injure anyone trying to help him.

rednekkPH · Post by **rednekkPH** » August 21, 2008 1:04 pm

green1 wrote:What is wrong with kids these days? One kid 10 feet away heard what happened, realized it was real and then ran away to call his mom. No thought to try and help the kid who was juts shot. Unreal.

It's the "not my problem" syndrome. It's learned from the parents.

ph4ever · Post by **ph4ever** » August 21, 2008 1:04 pm

green1 wrote:What is wrong with kids these days? One kid 10 feet away heard what happened, realized it was real and then ran away to call his mom. No thought to try and help the kid who was juts shot. Unreal.

We're talking a 14 year old kid - he was probably scared shiatless and wanted to talk to his mom right at that moment. A 14 year old kid may not know what to do in that extreme a circumstance. Considering the high risk of disease passed with blood born pathogens I can't fault the 14 year old kid one stinking bit for not sticking around.

Let's not forget the KID IS ONLY 14.

Frank4 · Post by **Frank4** » August 21, 2008 1:04 pm

So sad. Too much anger these days

Our schools start next week. My daughter will be in the 8th grade and her cousin will be a junior in high school. Between the two of them being in high school and junior high last year, the school had to be evacuated four times because of gun,/and or bomb threats. The last week of school, both the High School and the Junior High had armed police officers checking bags and walking the halls.

What the hell happened? When I was in school, bombs and guns where the last thing we ever thought of. There was a school bully, but I never thought of killing him or anyone else.

buffettbride · Post by **buffettbride** » August 21, 2008 1:04 pm

*sigh*

Different school districts have started around here beginning 8/4. My kiddo went back on Monday.

Brown Eyed Girl · Post by **Brown Eyed Girl** » August 21, 2008 1:04 pm

chippewa wrote: How does a student have access to a gun, much less get it into a school? Why do we keep allowing this to happen?

Unless you have metal detectors and full searches, you can bring almost anything into a school. Since many schools have done away with lockers, kids are always carrying backpacks loaded with everything but the kitchen sink. As for getting the gun, we'll have to wait and see if he got it from home or acquired it another way.

Methinks we'll find out there were plenty of warning signs that were ignored or overlooked. I was constantly amazed at just how ignorant many of the teachers I worked with were when it came to those warning signs and behaviors. Granted I was trained to look for them, but these teachers chose to live in a bubble and believe "it won't ever happen here". That's a dangerous stand to take, and in this day and age, inexcusable.

springparrot · Post by **springparrot** » August 21, 2008 1:05 pm

crap, not again

AlbatrossFlyer · Post by **AlbatrossFlyer** » August 21, 2008 1:14 pm

1) when i was in elementary school we had lots of bomb threats. not a new phenomena...

2) until parents are truly held accountable for their children's actions nothing will change. if the gun belonged to a parent try both the kid and the parent for murder.

green1 · Post by **green1** » August 21, 2008 1:15 pm

ph4ever wrote:
green1 wrote:What is wrong with kids these days? One kid 10 feet away heard what happened, realized it was real and then ran away to call his mom. No thought to try and help the kid who was juts shot. Unreal.
We're talking a 14 year old kid - he was probably scared shiatless and wanted to talk to his mom right at that moment. A 14 year old kid may not know what to do in that extreme a circumstance. Considering the high risk of disease passed with blood born pathogens I can't fault the 14 year old kid one stinking bit for not sticking around.

Let's not forget the KID IS ONLY 14.

Yeah, too bad that the kid that fell on his arm. That 14 year old kid dying right next to him didn't have time to tell him if he did or didn't have any blood born pathogens. Maybe he went to the nearest people around for help, and the response was to run away. I am sure that 14 year odl kid was, as you put it, Scared shiatless that he was dying. Too bad the people about 10 feet away wouldn't help. I don't blame the kid, as someone else said, I blame the parents. He is a kid that should have been taught to protect those that need protecting. To help those that need help.

rednekkPH · Post by **rednekkPH** » August 21, 2008 1:21 pm

AlbatrossFlyer wrote:2) until parents are truly held accountable for their children's actions nothing will change. if the gun belonged to a parent try both the kid and the parent for murder.

Absolutely. I've got a kid and a bunch of firearms at home. If I were to fail at either my duty to keep them inaccessible or my duty to teach him about safe firearms use, then I fully expect to be held responsible if he causes harm with my weapons.

ph4ever · Post by **ph4ever** » August 21, 2008 1:29 pm

green1 wrote:
ph4ever wrote:
green1 wrote:What is wrong with kids these days? One kid 10 feet away heard what happened, realized it was real and then ran away to call his mom. No thought to try and help the kid who was juts shot. Unreal.
We're talking a 14 year old kid - he was probably scared shiatless and wanted to talk to his mom right at that moment. A 14 year old kid may not know what to do in that extreme a circumstance. Considering the high risk of disease passed with blood born pathogens I can't fault the 14 year old kid one stinking bit for not sticking around.

Let's not forget the KID IS ONLY 14.
Yeah, too bad that the kid that fell on his arm. That 14 year old kid dying right next to him didn't have time to tell him if he did or didn't have any blood born pathogens. Maybe he went to the nearest people around for help, and the response was to run away. I am sure that 14 year odl kid was, as you put it, Scared shiatless that he was dying. Too bad the people about 10 feet away wouldn't help. I don't blame the kid, as someone else said, I blame the parents. He is a kid that should have been taught to protect those that need protecting. To help those that need help.

You were blaiming the 14 year old kid. And just an FYI - any number of us could have a blood born pathogen and not even freaking know about it. As far as the running - HE DID THE RIGHT THING except for the fact he did not run and HIDE and not call 911. How in the hell can you expect all 14 year old kids to have the maturity to "protect" someone while a gun toteing kid is going around shooting. How was that 14 year old kid to know that the gunkid was going to stop with just one?

For that matter- how the hell do you know how you would act in that situation unless you've had a gun pulled on you? IMHO any harshness towards any of the kids that witnessed this and ran is totally uncalled for.

TropicalTroubador · Post by **TropicalTroubador** » August 21, 2008 1:36 pm

ph4ever wrote:
green1 wrote:
ph4ever wrote:
green1 wrote:What is wrong with kids these days? One kid 10 feet away heard what happened, realized it was real and then ran away to call his mom. No thought to try and help the kid who was juts shot. Unreal.
We're talking a 14 year old kid - he was probably scared shiatless and wanted to talk to his mom right at that moment. A 14 year old kid may not know what to do in that extreme a circumstance. Considering the high risk of disease passed with blood born pathogens I can't fault the 14 year old kid one stinking bit for not sticking around.

Let's not forget the KID IS ONLY 14.
Yeah, too bad that the kid that fell on his arm. That 14 year old kid dying right next to him didn't have time to tell him if he did or didn't have any blood born pathogens. Maybe he went to the nearest people around for help, and the response was to run away. I am sure that 14 year odl kid was, as you put it, Scared shiatless that he was dying. Too bad the people about 10 feet away wouldn't help. I don't blame the kid, as someone else said, I blame the parents. He is a kid that should have been taught to protect those that need protecting. To help those that need help.
You were blaiming the 14 year old kid. And just an FYI - any number of us could have a blood born pathogen and not even freaking know about it. As far as the running - HE DID THE RIGHT THING except for the fact he did not run and HIDE and not call 911. How in the hell can you expect all 14 year old kids to have the maturity to "protect" someone while a gun toteing kid is going around shooting. How was that 14 year old kid to know that the gunkid was going to stop with just one?

For that matter- how the hell do you know how you would act in that situation unless you've had a gun pulled on you? IMHO any harshness towards any of the kids that witnessed this and ran is totally uncalled for.

Good points. The "fight or flight" adrenaline response lowers IQ by several points, according to some studies. I know that *I* don't think calmly and clearly when faced with an emergency/threat situation, and I've never been staring down a gun. Afterward, yeah, I'll Monday morning quarterback myself. And I'll bet this kid is doing that right now too.

Our society - our government - isn't willing to teach kids that there are other ways than violence to resolve conflicts, because if they *did*, nobody would volunteer for the military anymore. I believe that the tragedy begins *there*.

Want to cut down on school violence? Learn conflict resolution skills. Learn esteem-building skills. Volunteer to teach them at the local elementary school. Be prepared for some rejection.

AlbatrossFlyer · Post by **AlbatrossFlyer** » August 21, 2008 1:42 pm

TropicalTroubador wrote: Our society - our government - isn't willing to teach kids that there are other ways than violence to resolve conflicts, because if they *did*, nobody would volunteer for the military anymore. I believe that the tragedy begins *there*.

now there's a leap of unsubstantiated crap.... so instead we should teach non-violence conflict resolution and have a draft?

green1 · Post by **green1** » August 21, 2008 1:43 pm

ph4ever wrote:You were blaiming the 14 year old kid. And just an FYI - any number of us could have a blood born pathogen and not even freaking know about it. As far as the running - HE DID THE RIGHT THING except for the fact he did not run and HIDE and not call 911. How in the hell can you expect all 14 year old kids to have the maturity to "protect" someone while a gun toteing kid is going around shooting. How was that 14 year old kid to know that the gunkid was going to stop with just one?

For that matter- how the hell do you know how you would act in that situation unless you've had a gun pulled on you? IMHO any harshness towards any of the kids that witnessed this and ran is totally uncalled for.

Remind me to never be near you, or your children, when the s*** hits the fan. Apparently you believe that there is no higher purpose in life than self preservation. I have been in situations were weapons have been drawn. Have you? We are all responsible for the choices we make. It is those choices that define and make up our character. The kid ran when another kid was dying. Those are the actions of a 14 year old who is old enough to know better. Those are the actions of a kid whose parents failed to teach him about the importance and preciousness of life.

Skibo · Post by **Skibo** » August 21, 2008 1:44 pm

TropicalTroubador wrote: Our society - our government - isn't willing to teach kids that there are other ways than violence to resolve conflicts, because if they *did*, nobody would volunteer for the military anymore. I believe that the tragedy begins *there*.

Want to cut down on school violence? Learn conflict resolution skills. Learn esteem-building skills. Volunteer to teach them at the local elementary school. Be prepared for some rejection.

Our government? Stop it. The parents are the problem. Stop looking to the government for solutions. It isn't going to happen. Most that volunteer for the military don't do it because they want to fight, most pray they won't have to. The real tragedy is that the parents are not raising their children.