McCain's Health Plan

The Lost Manatee · Post by **The Lost Manatee** » September 17, 2008 7:44 pm

So before the hijacking goes to far afield, I just want to see if I'm reading this correctly, the majority feel that the McCain Health Care Reform Plan is good and what they would prefer. Is that correct?

drunkpirate66 · Post by **drunkpirate66** » September 17, 2008 7:46 pm

The Lost Manatee wrote:So before the hijacking goes to far afield, I just want to see if I'm reading this correctly, the majority feel that the McCain Health Care Reform Plan is good and what they would prefer. Is that correct?

I think McCain's is realistic and something that could actually happen. I think Obama's Univeral Health Care without raising taxes is a massive lie.

Lightning Bolt · Post by **Lightning Bolt** » September 17, 2008 7:50 pm

All I will say further, (and in closing for tonight...yay!!!) is that it is not nearly as rosy a picture in San Diego vs. your location, DP66, and...
I am glad that you feel your situation is not adversely affected.

Lightning Bolt · Post by **Lightning Bolt** » September 17, 2008 7:56 pm

The Lost Manatee wrote:So before the hijacking goes to far afield, I just want to see if I'm reading this correctly, the majority feel that the McCain Health Care Reform Plan is good and what they would prefer. Is that correct?

...it goes along with the rest of the Republican agenda -- "You're on your own!"

rumdrinks · Post by **rumdrinks** » September 17, 2008 8:04 pm

I want the same health care benefits John McCain has. (And Obama for that matter) If it's good enough for them, it's good enough for me. And while were at it, I want the same retirement and pension plan they have. I also want to work the same schedule they do. I would enjoy summers off. If ALL these politicians say they care about the middle class (me) , I want the same deal they have. Am I asking for too much ?

drunkpirate66 · Post by **drunkpirate66** » September 17, 2008 8:05 pm

Lightning Bolt wrote:
The Lost Manatee wrote:So before the hijacking goes to far afield, I just want to see if I'm reading this correctly, the majority feel that the McCain Health Care Reform Plan is good and what they would prefer. Is that correct?
...it goes along with the rest of the Republican agenda -- "You're on your own!"

and with Obama it will be your on your own with higher taxes and an apology saying "I tried" . . .

where's Bill Bradley when we need him . . . ?

Post by **SMLCHNG** » September 17, 2008 8:14 pm

rumdrinks wrote:I want the same health care benefits John McCain has. (And Obama for that matter) If it's good enough for them, it's good enough for me. And while were at it, I want the same retirement and pension plan they have. I also want to work the same schedule they do. I would enjoy summers off. If ALL these politicians say they care about the middle class (me) , I want the same deal they have. Am I asking for too much ?

TropicalTroubador · Post by **TropicalTroubador** » September 17, 2008 8:15 pm

The Republican health plan: Don't get sick.

TropicalTroubador · Post by **TropicalTroubador** » September 17, 2008 8:15 pm

rumdrinks wrote:I want the same health care benefits John McCain has. (And Obama for that matter) If it's good enough for them, it's good enough for me. And while were at it, I want the same retirement and pension plan they have. I also want to work the same schedule they do. I would enjoy summers off. If ALL these politicians say they care about the middle class (me) , I want the same deal they have. Am I asking for too much ?

Yeah. If a "government-run health plan" is so horrible, why is all of Congress using it?

Martonian · Post by **Martonian** » September 17, 2008 8:39 pm

rumdrinks wrote:I want the same health care benefits John McCain has. (And Obama for that matter) If it's good enough for them, it's good enough for me. [snip] If ALL these politicians say they care about the middle class (me) , I want the same deal they have. Am I asking for too much ?

SMLCHNG wrote:

Then you should look at Barack Obama. From www.barackobama.com:

"Obama and Biden will make available a new national health plan to all Americans, including the self-employed and small businesses, to buy affordable health coverage that is similar to the plan available to members of Congress."

"Comprehensive benefits. The benefit package will be similar to that offered through Federal Employees Health Benefits Program (FEHBP), the plan members of Congress have. The plan will cover all essential medical services, including preventive, maternity and mental health care."

http://www.barackobama.com/issues/healthcare/

drunkpirate66 · Post by **drunkpirate66** » September 17, 2008 8:44 pm

Martonian wrote:
rumdrinks wrote:I want the same health care benefits John McCain has. (And Obama for that matter) If it's good enough for them, it's good enough for me. [snip] If ALL these politicians say they care about the middle class (me) , I want the same deal they have. Am I asking for too much ?

SMLCHNG wrote:
Then you should look at Barack Obama. From www.barackobama.com:

"Obama and Biden will make available a new national health plan to all Americans, including the self-employed and small businesses, to buy affordable health coverage that is similar to the plan available to members of Congress."

"Comprehensive benefits. The benefit package will be similar to that offered through Federal Employees Health Benefits Program (FEHBP), the plan members of Congress have. The plan will cover all essential medical services, including preventive, maternity and mental health care."

http://www.barackobama.com/issues/healthcare/

I am curious abot the words "make available" and "similar" . . . legal jargon, like they are giving themselves an out

rumdrinks · Post by **rumdrinks** » September 17, 2008 8:49 pm

Martonian wrote:
rumdrinks wrote:I want the same health care benefits John McCain has. (And Obama for that matter) If it's good enough for them, it's good enough for me. [snip] If ALL these politicians say they care about the middle class (me) , I want the same deal they have. Am I asking for too much ?

SMLCHNG wrote:
Then you should look at Barack Obama. From www.barackobama.com:

"Obama and Biden will make available a new national health plan to all Americans, including the self-employed and small businesses, to buy affordable health coverage that is similar to the plan available to members of Congress."

"Comprehensive benefits. The benefit package will be similar to that offered through Federal Employees Health Benefits Program (FEHBP), the plan members of Congress have. The plan will cover all essential medical services, including preventive, maternity and mental health care."

http://www.barackobama.com/issues/healthcare/

I AM covered under FEHBP, and it ain't that great. Granted,we have an open season every year to switch health plans if you want to, but the choices are becoming more limited every year and the coverage is shrinking every year and premiums are increasing every year to boot. But it is better than any plan my wife's work offers but it leaves a lot to be desired. I would like to compare MY FEHBP with McCain/Obama FEHBP plan!!!!

Martonian · Post by **Martonian** » September 17, 2008 8:54 pm

drunkpirate66 wrote:
Martonian wrote:
rumdrinks wrote:I want the same health care benefits John McCain has. (And Obama for that matter) If it's good enough for them, it's good enough for me. [snip] If ALL these politicians say they care about the middle class (me) , I want the same deal they have. Am I asking for too much ?

SMLCHNG wrote:
Then you should look at Barack Obama. From www.barackobama.com:

"Obama and Biden will make available a new national health plan to all Americans, including the self-employed and small businesses, to buy affordable health coverage that is similar to the plan available to members of Congress."

"Comprehensive benefits. The benefit package will be similar to that offered through Federal Employees Health Benefits Program (FEHBP), the plan members of Congress have. The plan will cover all essential medical services, including preventive, maternity and mental health care."

http://www.barackobama.com/issues/healthcare/
I am curious abot the words "make available" and "similar" . . . legal jargon, like they are giving themselves an out

How is "make available" legal jargon? I don't see how you can take anything from "make available" except that they will "make it available"

Martonian · Post by **Martonian** » September 17, 2008 8:55 pm

rumdrinks wrote:I would like to compare MY FEHBP with McCain/Obama FEHBP plan!!!!

I'm no expert on fed employment benefits but it sounds like your FEHBP should be the same as their FEHBP plan:

"The benefit package will be similar to that offered through Federal Employees Health Benefits Program (FEHBP), the plan members of Congress have."

Post by **SMLCHNG** » September 17, 2008 9:02 pm

Martonian wrote: How is "make available" legal jargon? I don't see how you can take anything from "make available" except that they will "make it available"

Generically speaking - sure, it's available. But at what cost, and could people actually afford it?

Martonian · Post by **Martonian** » September 17, 2008 9:18 pm

SMLCHNG wrote:
Martonian wrote: How is "make available" legal jargon? I don't see how you can take anything from "make available" except that they will "make it available"
Generically speaking - sure, it's available. But at what cost, and could people actually afford it?

"Obama and Biden will make available a new national health plan to all Americans, including the self-employed and small businesses, to buy affordable health coverage that is similar to the plan available to members of Congress."

I know that "affordable" is generic, but you can't provide exact numbers when it will differ for each person.

You can read his plan for your self here - http://origin.barackobama.com/issues/healthcare/

Post by **SMLCHNG** » September 17, 2008 9:22 pm

Martonian wrote: You can read his plan for your self here - http://origin.barackobama.com/issues/healthcare/

Pssst! You've posted that half a dozen times now, I got it.

Post by **SMLCHNG** » September 17, 2008 9:23 pm

Martonian wrote: "Obama and Biden will make available a new national health plan to all Americans, including the self-employed and small businesses, to buy affordable health coverage that is similar to the plan available to members of Congress."

I know that "affordable" is generic, but you can't provide exact numbers when it will differ for each person.

Well if it's available to ALL Americans, then it needs to be affordable to ALL Americans.

Martonian · Post by **Martonian** » September 17, 2008 10:30 pm

SMLCHNG wrote:
Martonian wrote: You can read his plan for your self here - http://origin.barackobama.com/issues/healthcare/
Pssst! You've posted that half a dozen times now, I got it.

Sorry, you came across as someone who hadn't actually read his plan.

Martonian · Post by **Martonian** » September 17, 2008 10:31 pm

SMLCHNG wrote:
Martonian wrote: "Obama and Biden will make available a new national health plan to all Americans, including the self-employed and small businesses, to buy affordable health coverage that is similar to the plan available to members of Congress."

I know that "affordable" is generic, but you can't provide exact numbers when it will differ for each person.
Well if it's available to ALL Americans, then it needs to be affordable to ALL Americans.

Of course