Game OFFICIALLY OVER for McCain and Palin!

[SchoolGirlHeart]

News is reporting the two met on the internet and both have a history of mental illness. Am glad they caught these guys ... they're saying how seriously the secret service is taking their responsibility ....

Wonder if they're watching this thread.

The Secret Service watches everything...... I have little doubt that if someone here on BN lost their mind and started making threats that sounded credible, they'd get a visit from (not so) nice men in dark suits.....

And for every story like this that makes the news, there are many more that don't, as the USSS, FBI, etc quietly intervene......

[Lightning Bolt]

McCain would be forced to play WAY over to the left to get anything done at all...or nothing happens from the Oval Office at all!
Given the wave against partisanship ... and the UNITY that the country so desperately needs, I don't see the voters choosing the McCain option.

Let me make sure that I understand here: In order to have unity in the country, McCain would have to abandon his principles and go along with the beliefs of a Democratic congress? There's no chance of the democratic congress abandoning some of their beliefs and doing the right thing for the country?

You're making the assumption that McCain's policies are the right thing for the country.

Some things are self-evident.

They'll only be self-evident if the American people agree with you next Tuesday.
otherwise... there won't be enough evidence.

[ScarletB]

An honest question for those of you supportting Obama. If he doesn't win the election what do you think is going to happen? Do you really believe that democratic politicians will unite behind McCain?

I don't know ... I would like to think they would. I think it depends on what happens next Tuesday ... if there is another Florida 2000, they won't. If it's a clear victory, maybe they will. I think the country is tired of the angry politics of division, so maybe the Dems will listen to the voters.

If McCain wins this election, I don't think you will see Democratic politicians "unite behind McCain". I wouldn't expect them to. That isn't their job.


On the contrary, if McCain decided to keep troops fighting in Iraq or Afghanistan for another twenty years to "finish the job" I would expect the Democrats to forcefully oppose such a policy.

If McCain decided that the national interest would be served by invading Iran or Syria, I would expect the Democrats to forcefully oppose such a policy.

If McCain promoted the idea (as Bush did) that 'Intelligent Design' should be taught in science classrooms across the nation, I would expect Democrats to forcefully oppose such a policy.

If McCain worked to facilitate the reversal of Roe v Wade I would expect the Democrats to forcefully oppose him.

I could go on, but I think you get the idea. The Democrats, except for a few 'mavericks' like Barack Obama and Howard Dean, all united behind George W. Bush when he made the call to invade Iraq, misled by fabricated evidence it must be said. I would hope they wouldn't once again mistakenly place their trust in the integrity of a Republican president.

Hopefully, we won't have to face this possibility after the election. Hopefully Obama will win big, bring about the 'change' that he has talked about, and simultaneously prove the 'chicken littles' wrong about his agenda.

And with that, you just listed 4 of the reasons he didn't get my vote. (There are more but I won't bore everyone) I'm sick of the military mindset that has guided our foreign policy for the last 8 years. And yes, I'm furious with the Democrats for lying down and letting it happen.

And before I get pounced on I DO believe we need a strong military I just think they need to be used in the right way and Iraq didn't fit that bill IMO
I always said I support the troops I just wish they had a better boss.

[Staredge]

You're making the assumption that McCain's policies are the right thing for the country.

You're making the assumption that Obamas policies are the right thing for the country.

Around 50% of the country agrees with you.

Around 50% of the country agrees with me.


Interesting, isn't it???

[parrothead216]

You're making the assumption that McCain's policies are the right thing for the country.

You're making the assumption that Obamas policies are the right thing for the country.

Around 50% of the country agrees with you.

Around 50% of the country agrees with me.


Interesting, isn't it???

What it is, is Pathetic!

I don't think either one of these two, have a clue what to do with the problems, we have in this country!!

I can't vote for Obama, even though I am a life long Liberal, because he doesn't have ANY experience! We had the last eight years of a"learn on the job" President, and you see what we got!

I can't vote for McCain, even though I think he is an Honorable American, because I can't risk 4 more years of Bush the 2nd policies.

I for one, am NOT afraid to say that the last eight years, have ruined our future, and we are NOT better off then we were 8 years ago!!!

What is sad, is these are the BEST choices that we can come up with to be President of our country.

Also, all these Liberal's who are supporting Obama simply because they want to see a African American become President. You need to understand that, I too like the idea, that anyone can become President in this country, but the candidate HAS to have some experience!!!! Voting for someone, simply because he represents our Idealism, isn't right!

OUR FUTURE depends on who we elect next Tuesday!

I, for one, am not comfortable with either choice!!!

IMHO!

[Martonian]

You're making the assumption that McCain's policies are the right thing for the country.

You're making the assumption that Obamas policies are the right thing for the country.

Around 50% of the country agrees with you.

Around 50% of the country agrees with me.


Interesting, isn't it???

That's why I included a --> with my statement.

And actually more Americans identify themselves as Democrats this year than as Republicans, by about 10%.

[green1]

News is reporting the two met on the internet and both have a history of mental illness. Am glad they caught these guys ... they're saying how seriously the secret service is taking their responsibility ....

Wonder if they're watching this thread.

The Secret Service watches everything...... I have little doubt that if someone here on BN lost their mind and started making threats that sounded credible, they'd get a visit from (not so) nice men in dark suits.....

And for every story like this that makes the news, there are many more that don't, as the USSS, FBI, etc quietly intervene......

Like the assasination plot against Bush that was broken up a few weeks ago in Fairfax VA. Another nut job got his hands on an AK-47 and was planning on attacking Bush and Bill Gates saying they were both to blame for all of his problems. He was arrested and is in custody. It made the local papers, but I never saw it on the national news or even the Washington Post.

[flyboy55]

News is reporting the two met on the internet and both have a history of mental illness. Am glad they caught these guys ... they're saying how seriously the secret service is taking their responsibility ....

Wonder if they're watching this thread.

The Secret Service watches everything...... I have little doubt that if someone here on BN lost their mind and started making threats that sounded credible, they'd get a visit from (not so) nice men in dark suits.....

And for every story like this that makes the news, there are many more that don't, as the USSS, FBI, etc quietly intervene......

You mean like "I'll see Bush's sorry *** behind bars in orange prison garb before I die if it's the last thing I do"? This probably wouldn't be perceived as a 'credible threat', since Secret Service protection doesn't extend to running interference for a former president as defendant in a criminal prosecution.

This brought up an interesting question for me. Suppose after leaving office, Bush, among others, is actually brought to trial for his various crimes and sentenced to a term of years behind bars. I know his Secret Service protection will lapse ten years after leaving office, but would he have a Secret Service detail assigned to him if he was resident in a federal prison sometime before then? Or would he forfeit that protection upon becoming a convicted felon?

I seem to remember reading somewhere that he would forfeit Secret Service protection if impeached, but what about being convicted of more serious crimes? I suppose some future president could extend Bush that protection in prison by executive order if the need arose, kind of like the situation with other types of convicts who need to be protected from the general population while in prison.

The wonderful thing about living here, as opposed to living under the jurisdiction of any one of our less than savory allies, is that these speculations won't result in my being 'disappeared' into a dark hole somewhere, or worse. At least not yet.

[green1]

I seem to remember reading somewhere that he would forfeit Secret Service protection if impeached, but what about being convicted of more serious crimes? I suppose some future president could extend Bush that protection in prison by executive order if the need arose, kind of like the situation with other types of convicts who need to be protected from the general population while in prison.

I am not so sure about that. I think Clinton still has his protection, as does Hillary.

[ph4ever]

I seem to remember reading somewhere that he would forfeit Secret Service protection if impeached, but what about being convicted of more serious crimes? I suppose some future president could extend Bush that protection in prison by executive order if the need arose, kind of like the situation with other types of convicts who need to be protected from the general population while in prison.

I am not so sure about that. I think Clinton still has his protection, as does Hillary.

Clinton was acqitted by the Senate - impeachment vote fell short of the Constitutional two-thirds majority requirement to convict and remove an office holder. When Clinton left office he had a 65% approval rating. Last I heard Bush was at 28%.

[chippewa]

I seem to remember reading somewhere that he would forfeit Secret Service protection if impeached, but what about being convicted of more serious crimes? I suppose some future president could extend Bush that protection in prison by executive order if the need arose, kind of like the situation with other types of convicts who need to be protected from the general population while in prison.

I am not so sure about that. I think Clinton still has his protection, as does Hillary.

Clinton was acqitted by the Senate - impeachment vote fell short of the Constitutional two-thirds majority requirement to convict and remove an office holder. When Clinton left office he had a 65% approval rating. Last I heard Bush was at 28%.

I think technically, he was impeached. That's just step one.

[SMLCHNG]

How long do former presidents receive Secret Service protection after they leave office?


In 1965, Congress authorized the Secret Service (Public Law 89-186) to protect a former president and his/her spouse during their lifetime, unless they decline protection. In 1997, Congress enacted legislation (Public Law 103-329) that limits Secret Service protection for former presidents to 10 years after leaving office. Under this new law, individuals who are in office before January 1, 1997, will continue to receive Secret Service protection for their lifetime. Individuals elected to office after that time will receive protection for 10 years after leaving office. Therefore, President Clinton will be the last president to receive lifetime protection.

http://www.ustreas.gov/usss/faq.shtml#faq9

[buffettbride]

Charles Barkley wants to run for Governor of Alabama in 2014. Here's part of the transcript from his interview with Campbell Brown. At least the boy's got a sense of humor.

Brown: So are you going to run for governor?

Barkley: I plan on it in 2014.

Brown: You are serious.

Barkley: I am, I can't screw up Alabama.

Brown: There is no place to go but up in your view?

Barkley: We are number 48 in everything and Arkansas and Mississippi aren't going anywhere.


Here's the complete transcript:
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/27/ ... index.html

[ph4ever]

I seem to remember reading somewhere that he would forfeit Secret Service protection if impeached, but what about being convicted of more serious crimes? I suppose some future president could extend Bush that protection in prison by executive order if the need arose, kind of like the situation with other types of convicts who need to be protected from the general population while in prison.

I am not so sure about that. I think Clinton still has his protection, as does Hillary.

Clinton was acqitted by the Senate - impeachment vote fell short of the Constitutional two-thirds majority requirement to convict and remove an office holder. When Clinton left office he had a 65% approval rating. Last I heard Bush was at 28%.

I think technically, he was impeached. That's just step one.

Four articles of impeachment were drafted against Clinton, only two made it through the process to be voted on. On Article 1, the charge of perjury, 55 senators, including 10 Republicans and all 45 Democrats voted not guilty. On Article 3, obstruction of justice, the Senate split evenly, 50 for and 50 against the President. With the necessary two-thirds majority not having been achieved, the President was thus acquitted on both charges and served out the remainder of his term of office. He was never forced out of office - of all 3 presidents that faced impeachment procedings; none were removied as a result of impeachment vote. Nixon resigned his office.

[green1]

I seem to remember reading somewhere that he would forfeit Secret Service protection if impeached, but what about being convicted of more serious crimes? I suppose some future president could extend Bush that protection in prison by executive order if the need arose, kind of like the situation with other types of convicts who need to be protected from the general population while in prison.

I am not so sure about that. I think Clinton still has his protection, as does Hillary.

Clinton was acqitted by the Senate - impeachment vote fell short of the Constitutional two-thirds majority requirement to convict and remove an office holder. When Clinton left office he had a 65% approval rating. Last I heard Bush was at 28%.

Clinton was impeached by the house, but was not removed from office by the Senate. He was impeached.

[ph4ever]

I seem to remember reading somewhere that he would forfeit Secret Service protection if impeached, but what about being convicted of more serious crimes? I suppose some future president could extend Bush that protection in prison by executive order if the need arose, kind of like the situation with other types of convicts who need to be protected from the general population while in prison.

I am not so sure about that. I think Clinton still has his protection, as does Hillary.

Clinton was acqitted by the Senate - impeachment vote fell short of the Constitutional two-thirds majority requirement to convict and remove an office holder. When Clinton left office he had a 65% approval rating. Last I heard Bush was at 28%.

Clinton was impeached by the house, but was not removed from office by the Senate. He was impeached.

he was not removed from office was he?

[BrianM]

He could never have been impeached if he would have just ignored the subpoena's like the current administration. Think about it, if he would have told Ken Starr to take a hike and not answered any of his questions, they never could have done anything. He was old fashioned in thinking you had to answer subpoena's. I've tried to stay out of this, but it gets hard to do sometimes.

[buffettbride]

I wonder if Monica still gets Christmas cards from the White House.

[lati2d]

Charles Barkley wants to run for Governor of Alabama in 2014. Here's part of the transcript from his interview with Campbell Brown. At least the boy's got a sense of humor.

Brown: So are you going to run for governor?

Barkley: I plan on it in 2014.

Brown: You are serious.

Barkley: I am, I can't screw up Alabama.

Brown: There is no place to go but up in your view?

Barkley: We are number 48 in everything and Arkansas and Mississippi aren't going anywhere.

Thanks for the story. Good ol Charles - I needed a good laugh and a break from the election. He may be right !


Here's the complete transcript:
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/27/ ... index.html

[green1]

I seem to remember reading somewhere that he would forfeit Secret Service protection if impeached, but what about being convicted of more serious crimes? I suppose some future president could extend Bush that protection in prison by executive order if the need arose, kind of like the situation with other types of convicts who need to be protected from the general population while in prison.

I am not so sure about that. I think Clinton still has his protection, as does Hillary.

Clinton was acqitted by the Senate - impeachment vote fell short of the Constitutional two-thirds majority requirement to convict and remove an office holder. When Clinton left office he had a 65% approval rating. Last I heard Bush was at 28%.

Clinton was impeached by the house, but was not removed from office by the Senate. He was impeached.

he was not removed from office was he?

I never said he was. The impeachment was completed by the House. The Senate votes on removal. Seperate things entirely. The Senate does not have an impeachment vote, it holds a vote to remove the president from office.

Only two presidents have ever been impeached. Andrew Johnson for the grave sin of adherring to Lincoln's policy of "with charity for all" and pardoning confederate soldiers and officer's. And Bill Clinton for lying under oath about having sex with Monica. That's it.