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AdamBomb8 wrote:The debate came on, my tv went off. I can't sit and watch these clowns try to feed us bs that we know they will never come through with.

1 800 DIRECTV..

ph4ever wrote:

flyboy55 wrote:Gorillas and Italians make me nervous. May I suggest the classic Space Invaders instead?




http://www.spaceinvaders.de/

OMG - I think I just had one of those flashbacks............1976, or was it 77. Commerce Texas bar in downtown called The Showdown. The Space Invaders game talked to me that night. Massive amounts of liquor.

Ok - I'm better now - thanks for the memory.

Carry on.

You must have been playing space invaders 2

(Is it my imagination or did that alien split when I hit it?????)

Glorfindel7 wrote:

ph4ever wrote:

flyboy55 wrote:Gorillas and Italians make me nervous. May I suggest the classic Space Invaders instead?




http://www.spaceinvaders.de/

OMG - I think I just had one of those flashbacks............1976, or was it 77. Commerce Texas bar in downtown called The Showdown. The Space Invaders game talked to me that night. Massive amounts of liquor.

Ok - I'm better now - thanks for the memory.

Carry on.

You must have been playing space invaders 2

(Is it my imagination or did that alien split when I hit it?????)

Yeah it did that too

popcornjack wrote:

C-Dawg wrote:

popcornjack wrote:I know Garry will discredit this article because it's from that bastion of east coast liberalism, but I figured I'd share the article anyway.

What it means to be a maverick

nice article Jack, thanks for posting, and I can see why the Maverick family wouldn't care for McCain to use that term to describe himself. However, the term has evolved, and as such I'd say it does describe McCain. Even though he is a registered Republican, he is far from their poster boy, as he is a free thinker and has strayed from the Republican lline many times on many issues to the point many conservatives call him a RINO (Republican in name only).
Even the dictionary desribes it that way....from the Webster dictionary....
mav·er·ick
Pronunciation: ˈmav-rik, ˈma-və-
Function: noun
Etymology: Samuel A. Maverick †1870 American pioneer who did not brand his calves
Date: 1867
1: an unbranded range animal ; especially : a motherless calf
2: an independent individual who does not go along with a group or party

You know I love you Chris, but now I gotta ask you: If a Maverick is one who is independent, why is he not running as an independent? pretty sure it's the republican nomination he has.

If it looks like a duck and walks like a duck, it's a duck.


From Factcheck.org.

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McCain is often remembered for his votes against President Bush's tax cuts and his sponsorship with Democrat Ted Kennedy of the 2005 failed immigration bill. But let's look at the bigger picture. The publication Congressional Quarterly analyzes party unity votes each year to determine how often U.S. senators and representatives voted with a majority of their party and how often they opposed their party. In 2007, CQ found that McCain voted with his party 90 percent of the time. Also, McCain voted in support of President Bush’s position on legislation 95 percent of the time, the top presidential-support score in the Senate. (It should be noted, however, that McCain participated in only 48 percent of what CQ called party unity votes and only 39 percent of votes on which the president took a position, since the senator had been out on the campaign trail much of last year.)

In 2006, McCain’s party unity score was 76 percent (and he was present for 94 percent of such votes). That year, McCain’s fairly low score ranked him sixth on the list of Senate Republicans who most opposed their party. In 2005, his party unity score was higher – 84 percent – though he was ninth on the list of those who voted in opposition of the party.

It's a matter of opinion whether such ratings show that he's not that conservative or that he merely goes his own way more than others who follow the party. The scores do show that he has backed his party the vast majority of the time. Other groups also have found McCain to be firmly in the Republican camp. The American Conservative Union has been rating members of Congress on just how conservative they are since 1971. It gives McCain an 82.3 rating, on a scale of 0 to 100, for the life of his congressional career. That measure, too, is based on an analysis of votes on certain issues. And GovTrack.us, a site that tracks legislation, labels McCain a "rank-and-file Republican" based on a statistical analysis of the bills he sponsored in relation to bills sponsored by his colleagues in the 109th and 110th Congress (that’s 2005 through 2008 (end of copy)

I believe the main reason sone Republicans see McCain as a maverick (I'm so sick of that term already) is that he won't completely toe the party line on embryonic stem cell research, civil union and abortion. He's for leaving it up to the states - the uber right wing would have those things all outlawed immediately and forever. The fact remains he's been in the Senate for what - 25 years - and not much has changed. Plus he voted in favor of going to Iraq and still thinks he was right. I know, many spineless Dems did the same but at least many of them are willing to concede that they should have thought twice - and to be fair, some Republicans are too.

Having said all that, in a perfect world I'd say lets get rid of EVERYONE and start over. I'm no expert but things are SO wrong in so many areas I don't see how having someone who's been part of the whole thing for so long is going to put any new life into it.

ScarletB wrote:
Having said all that, in a perfect world I'd say lets get rid of EVERYONE and start over. I'm no expert but things are SO wrong in so many areas I don't see how having someone who's been part of the whole thing for so long is going to put any new life into it.

Well, according to most folks on the right, Obama hasn't been part of the whole thing for any amount of time, so he must be a perfect fit.

I wonder if he could get one of those fancy telescopes so he could see Russia from the White House.

I have to tell you, I watched last night. I found myself entertained. John McCain looked like he got stronger as the evening went on. The one thing I noticed about both of them is they seem to have a honest dislike for each other. I thought if I heard him say "my friends" one more time I was going to puke. That former Chief Petty Officer probablly got more attention then he bargained for. No one said anything Earth shattering or really new. Just re-hasing more of the old stuff. I'd give the win to McCain in this one, I think it's a little too late for him

Frank4 wrote:I have to tell you, I watched last night. I found myself entertained. John McCain looked like he got stronger as the evening went on. The one thing I noticed about both of them is they seem to have a honest dislike for each other. I thought if I heard him say "my friends" one more time I was going to puke. That former Chief Petty Officer probablly got more attention then he bargained for. No one said anything Earth shattering or really new. Just re-hasing more of the old stuff. I'd give the win to McCain in this one, I think it's a little too late for him

I was thoroughly unimpressed by either candidate. I only caught about the last 30 minutes, though.

The debates just don't do much for me anyway, because the questions never actually get answered without ten other things being introduced in the responses. I know this is something that will never change, but I even remember watching the debates with Bill Clinton and being so thoroughly disgusted at how candidates skirt around everything.

I've never been on the fence politically. I've always known well into election year who I felt strongly about as a candidate. I can't imagine that these debates do anything for an undecided person.

Both looked lame last night but probably because of the stupid questions posed by the audience.

However, it was clear to me that McCain had no clue that he needed to really make a huge win last night and he didn't. Simply put, Obama will win the election at this point.

I watched the debate, and while I was pretty unimpressed on both sides, I got thoroughly sick of hearing McCain refer to everyone as "my friends".

One thing I learned that I didn't know, was that Warren Buffett is an Obama supporter.

SharkOnLand wrote:I watched the debate, and while I was pretty unimpressed on both sides, I got thoroughly sick of hearing McCain refer to everyone as "my friends".

One thing I learned that I didn't know, was that Warren Buffett is an Obama supporter.

I think Warren gave his support early this summer. I watched the whole thing, I wasn't impressed by many questions but I did think they both did a decent job of answering them as opposed to just reciting what they wanted to say. Once question I did like: Other than our soldiers, Americans have not been asked to sacrifice anything since WWII. What would you ask Americans to sacrifice?

They must have banned personal cameras in the audience. When the debate was over, all the observers pulled out the same yellow disposable camera and started taking their pictures of the candiates.

chippewa wrote:

SharkOnLand wrote:I watched the debate, and while I was pretty unimpressed on both sides, I got thoroughly sick of hearing McCain refer to everyone as "my friends".

One thing I learned that I didn't know, was that Warren Buffett is an Obama supporter.

I think Warren gave his support early this summer. I watched the whole thing, I wasn't impressed by many questions but I did think they both did a decent job of answering them as opposed to just reciting what they wanted to say. Once question I did like: Other than our soldiers, Americans have not been asked to sacrifice anything since WWII. What would you ask Americans to sacrifice?

They must have banned personal cameras in the audience. When the debate was over, all the observers pulled out the same yellow disposable camera and started taking their pictures of the candiates.

The yellow cameras were rather entertaining afterwards. I did see one guy take out a camera at the end and take a picture.

Guy I felt most sorry for was Tom Brokaw. He tried so hard to keep the debate on track and they kept vering off course

Frank4 wrote:

chippewa wrote:

SharkOnLand wrote:I watched the debate, and while I was pretty unimpressed on both sides, I got thoroughly sick of hearing McCain refer to everyone as "my friends".

One thing I learned that I didn't know, was that Warren Buffett is an Obama supporter.

I think Warren gave his support early this summer. I watched the whole thing, I wasn't impressed by many questions but I did think they both did a decent job of answering them as opposed to just reciting what they wanted to say. Once question I did like: Other than our soldiers, Americans have not been asked to sacrifice anything since WWII. What would you ask Americans to sacrifice?

They must have banned personal cameras in the audience. When the debate was over, all the observers pulled out the same yellow disposable camera and started taking their pictures of the candiates.

The yellow cameras were rather entertaining afterwards. I did see one guy take out a camera at the end and take a picture.

Guy I felt most sorry for was Tom Brokaw. He tried so hard to keep the debate on track and they kept vering off course

He came into a place where I worked part time years and years ago. None of us recognized him until he spoke. He was very handsome but I was young and so freaked I went into the back room so I wouldn't have to wait on him!

ScarletB wrote:

Frank4 wrote:

chippewa wrote:

SharkOnLand wrote:I watched the debate, and while I was pretty unimpressed on both sides, I got thoroughly sick of hearing McCain refer to everyone as "my friends".

One thing I learned that I didn't know, was that Warren Buffett is an Obama supporter.

I think Warren gave his support early this summer. I watched the whole thing, I wasn't impressed by many questions but I did think they both did a decent job of answering them as opposed to just reciting what they wanted to say. Once question I did like: Other than our soldiers, Americans have not been asked to sacrifice anything since WWII. What would you ask Americans to sacrifice?

They must have banned personal cameras in the audience. When the debate was over, all the observers pulled out the same yellow disposable camera and started taking their pictures of the candiates.

The yellow cameras were rather entertaining afterwards. I did see one guy take out a camera at the end and take a picture.

Guy I felt most sorry for was Tom Brokaw. He tried so hard to keep the debate on track and they kept vering off course

He came into a place where I worked part time years and years ago. None of us recognized him until he spoke. He was very handsome but I was young and so freaked I went into the back room so I wouldn't have to wait on him!

He lived a town over and was a Member at The Country Club of Torrington

TommyBahama wrote:

ScarletB wrote:

Frank4 wrote:

chippewa wrote:

SharkOnLand wrote:I watched the debate, and while I was pretty unimpressed on both sides, I got thoroughly sick of hearing McCain refer to everyone as "my friends".

One thing I learned that I didn't know, was that Warren Buffett is an Obama supporter.

I think Warren gave his support early this summer. I watched the whole thing, I wasn't impressed by many questions but I did think they both did a decent job of answering them as opposed to just reciting what they wanted to say. Once question I did like: Other than our soldiers, Americans have not been asked to sacrifice anything since WWII. What would you ask Americans to sacrifice?

They must have banned personal cameras in the audience. When the debate was over, all the observers pulled out the same yellow disposable camera and started taking their pictures of the candiates.

The yellow cameras were rather entertaining afterwards. I did see one guy take out a camera at the end and take a picture.

Guy I felt most sorry for was Tom Brokaw. He tried so hard to keep the debate on track and they kept vering off course

He came into a place where I worked part time years and years ago. None of us recognized him until he spoke. He was very handsome but I was young and so freaked I went into the back room so I wouldn't have to wait on him!

He lived a town over and was a Member at The Country Club of Torrington

I just got done with his autobiography, he strikes me as a pretty down to Earth guy. He was very sharp last night

Frank4 wrote:

TommyBahama wrote:

ScarletB wrote:

Frank4 wrote:

chippewa wrote:

SharkOnLand wrote:I watched the debate, and while I was pretty unimpressed on both sides, I got thoroughly sick of hearing McCain refer to everyone as "my friends".

One thing I learned that I didn't know, was that Warren Buffett is an Obama supporter.

I think Warren gave his support early this summer. I watched the whole thing, I wasn't impressed by many questions but I did think they both did a decent job of answering them as opposed to just reciting what they wanted to say. Once question I did like: Other than our soldiers, Americans have not been asked to sacrifice anything since WWII. What would you ask Americans to sacrifice?

They must have banned personal cameras in the audience. When the debate was over, all the observers pulled out the same yellow disposable camera and started taking their pictures of the candiates.

The yellow cameras were rather entertaining afterwards. I did see one guy take out a camera at the end and take a picture.

Guy I felt most sorry for was Tom Brokaw. He tried so hard to keep the debate on track and they kept vering off course

He came into a place where I worked part time years and years ago. None of us recognized him until he spoke. He was very handsome but I was young and so freaked I went into the back room so I wouldn't have to wait on him!

He lived a town over and was a Member at The Country Club of Torrington

I just got done with his autobiography, he strikes me as a pretty down to Earth guy. He was very sharp last night

not bad for a guy from a "fly-over state"

Frank4 wrote:

TommyBahama wrote:

ScarletB wrote:

Frank4 wrote:

chippewa wrote:

SharkOnLand wrote:I watched the debate, and while I was pretty unimpressed on both sides, I got thoroughly sick of hearing McCain refer to everyone as "my friends".

One thing I learned that I didn't know, was that Warren Buffett is an Obama supporter.

I think Warren gave his support early this summer. I watched the whole thing, I wasn't impressed by many questions but I did think they both did a decent job of answering them as opposed to just reciting what they wanted to say. Once question I did like: Other than our soldiers, Americans have not been asked to sacrifice anything since WWII. What would you ask Americans to sacrifice?

They must have banned personal cameras in the audience. When the debate was over, all the observers pulled out the same yellow disposable camera and started taking their pictures of the candiates.

The yellow cameras were rather entertaining afterwards. I did see one guy take out a camera at the end and take a picture.

Guy I felt most sorry for was Tom Brokaw. He tried so hard to keep the debate on track and they kept vering off course

He came into a place where I worked part time years and years ago. None of us recognized him until he spoke. He was very handsome but I was young and so freaked I went into the back room so I wouldn't have to wait on him!

He lived a town over and was a Member at The Country Club of Torrington

I just got done with his autobiography, he strikes me as a pretty down to Earth guy. He was very sharp last night

Yeah, too bad HE'S not running for anything!

ScarletB wrote:

Frank4 wrote:

TommyBahama wrote:

ScarletB wrote:

Frank4 wrote:

chippewa wrote: I think Warren gave his support early this summer. I watched the whole thing, I wasn't impressed by many questions but I did think they both did a decent job of answering them as opposed to just reciting what they wanted to say. Once question I did like: Other than our soldiers, Americans have not been asked to sacrifice anything since WWII. What would you ask Americans to sacrifice?

They must have banned personal cameras in the audience. When the debate was over, all the observers pulled out the same yellow disposable camera and started taking their pictures of the candiates.

The yellow cameras were rather entertaining afterwards. I did see one guy take out a camera at the end and take a picture.

Guy I felt most sorry for was Tom Brokaw. He tried so hard to keep the debate on track and they kept vering off course

He came into a place where I worked part time years and years ago. None of us recognized him until he spoke. He was very handsome but I was young and so freaked I went into the back room so I wouldn't have to wait on him!

He lived a town over and was a Member at The Country Club of Torrington

I just got done with his autobiography, he strikes me as a pretty down to Earth guy. He was very sharp last night

Yeah, too bad HE'S not running for anything!

yeah...he's run away with it for sure!

flipflopgirl wrote:

ScarletB wrote:

Frank4 wrote:

TommyBahama wrote:

ScarletB wrote:

Frank4 wrote:
The yellow cameras were rather entertaining afterwards. I did see one guy take out a camera at the end and take a picture.

Guy I felt most sorry for was Tom Brokaw. He tried so hard to keep the debate on track and they kept vering off course

He came into a place where I worked part time years and years ago. None of us recognized him until he spoke. He was very handsome but I was young and so freaked I went into the back room so I wouldn't have to wait on him!

He lived a town over and was a Member at The Country Club of Torrington

I just got done with his autobiography, he strikes me as a pretty down to Earth guy. He was very sharp last night

Yeah, too bad HE'S not running for anything!

yeah...he's run away with it for sure!

There was a rumor a few years back that Clinton wanted to name him Secretary of the Interior.

I didn't care for the debate either. I thought Obama did well really explaining his agenda and policies. I didn't feel McCain connecting with me at all and he kept calling me his friend . . .

mjeischen wrote:I didn't feel McCain connecting with me at all and he kept calling me his friend . . .

agreed.
As far as preferring McCain, a 26-year veteran of Washington D.C., over the less experienced Obama,
this video from a past banking regulator ought to lend some REAL perspective about shady past relationships....

http://my.barackobama.com/page/invite/keatingvideo