Game OFFICIALLY OVER for McCain and Palin!

jackiesic · Post by **jackiesic** » October 23, 2008 2:26 pm

Martonian wrote:
SMLCHNG wrote:I know that I will never pick a President based on a spreadsheet and polls.
Does anyone?

Apparently some think that the media and its polls can influence up to 5% of the vote which in this election could make the difference in winning/losing. It would seem that some people simply want to cast a "winning" vote.

jackiesic · Post by **jackiesic** » October 23, 2008 2:27 pm

East Texas Parrothead wrote:
carolinagirl wrote:
jackiesic wrote:There's potentially a VERY BIG story that's going to break either tonight or tomorrow. Stay tuned folks.
Can we get a hint? What's your source?
Just guessing here ... there have been two lawsuits filed disputing Obama's citizenship ...

There's more..... just use your googling skills

jackiesic · Post by **jackiesic** » October 23, 2008 2:30 pm

chippewa wrote:I'm no fan of most internet bloggers -- at least not those who try to pass themselves off as "real" reporters. Who checks their facts? What are their credentials? What expertise do they have in the subject matter? Anybody with a keyboard and a modem can write whatever they want, with few repercussions. While some try to discredit the "liberal media", I don't even want to imagine living somewhere without freedom of the press. Give me a journalist that learned how to type on a manual typewriter, gets their information from multiple sources and paid their dues by writing obits any day. Reading something on the internet and repeating it in your blog doesn't make you a reporter.

"If your mother says she loves you, check it out." I urge everybody that reads anything on the internet to heed that advice.

(full disclosure: I have a degree in journalism, and I don't blog.)

The real problem is this type of journalism no longer exists

jackiesic · Post by **jackiesic** » October 23, 2008 2:35 pm

Tequila Revenge wrote:Is Philly's Bulletin, "elite liberal media," or simply the liberal media? WHo exactly is the drive by media? No one seems to stand up for them these days. It's just not fair.

http://www.thebulletin.us/site/index.cf ... 6361&rfi=8

Inside Today's Bulletin
A Closer Look At The Birth Certificate By John P. Connolly, The Bulletin
10/21/2008
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One of the most intense allegations of the ongoing lawsuit against Sen. Barack Obama alleging ineligibility for the presidency is whether or not Mr. Obama can produce his birth certificate.

If Mr. Obama were to produce his birth certificate, it would lay the entire question to rest. It would prove, beyond a reasonable doubt, that the U.S. government officially recognizes Mr. Obama's citizenship. The Obama campaign says that it has already produced this document, a scanned copy of which is available at the campaign's "Fight the Smears" Web site.

One point critics of Mr. Obama have made is the fact that the document posted is not, in fact, a birth certificate. It is a birth certification, which is a computer-generated printout of a birth record. A certification is a cheap print-off for people who have lost their original birth certificates. For most people, there is little practical difference between a certificate of live birth and a certification of live birth, although the certification requires extra verification when being used like a birth certificate.

Because of the tenuous nature of identifying a certification of birth as genuine, it requires an embossed seal and authoritative signature. The low-resolution scan available on the Obama campaign Web site appears to have neither of those. The ink from a date stamp, "June 6, 2007," is visible clearly, but it appears that the document does not have a seal or signature. The campaign only scanned the front of the document.

Without the seal and signature, the document on the Obama Web site lacks legal weight, and does not count as representing the official birth record of Mr. Obama.

Philip Berg, a former deputy attorney general for Pennsylvania, has filed suit against Mr. Obama, alleging that he is not legally qualified to serve as president. He has indicated that if Mr. Obama were to produce certified documents proving that he is a natural born citizen, he will withdraw his case.

Okay, here's the question I have. If I recall correctly, a US Citizen must produce a CERTIFIED record of birth (with the raised seal that you can see and feell) in order to obtain a US passport. So, without such a document (and if one existed what's the big deal about producing it?) how in the world did he get a US passport?

Martonian · Post by **Martonian** » October 23, 2008 2:43 pm

jackiesic wrote:Okay, here's the question I have. If I recall correctly, a US Citizen must produce a CERTIFIED record of birth (with the raised seal that you can see and feell) in order to obtain a US passport. So, without such a document (and if one existed what's the big deal about producing it?) how in the world did he get a US passport?

I believe you just answered your own question. He does have a US passport, so he had to show his birth certificate (with raised seal) to obtain his US passport.

And again here is the FactCheck.org link on his birth certificate:

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008 ... e_usa.html

jackiesic · Post by **jackiesic** » October 23, 2008 2:48 pm

Martonian wrote:
jackiesic wrote:Okay, here's the question I have. If I recall correctly, a US Citizen must produce a CERTIFIED record of birth (with the raised seal that you can see and feell) in order to obtain a US passport. So, without such a document (and if one existed what's the big deal about producing it?) how in the world did he get a US passport?
I believe you just answered your own question. He does have a US passport, so he had to show his birth certificate (with raised seal) to obtain his US passport.

And again here is the FactCheck.org link on his birth certificate:

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008 ... e_usa.html

Unfortunately I can't read any names on that certificate. FYI - fact check is backed by/part of Annenberg.

jackiesic · Post by **jackiesic** » October 23, 2008 2:57 pm

I've got run but this was too good not to pass along.....

Today on my way to lunch I passed a homeless guy with a sign that read "Vote Obama, I need the money." I laughed.

Once in the restaurant my server had on a "Obama 08" tie, again I laughed as he had given away his political preference -- just imagine the coincidence.

When the bill came I decided not to tip the server and explained to him that I was exploring the Obama redistribution of wealth concept. He stood there in disbelief while I told him that I was going to redistribute his tip to someone who I deemed more in need--the homeless guy outside. The server angrily stormed from my sight.

I went outside, gave the homeless guy $10 and told him to thank the server inside as I've decided he could use the money more. The homeless guy was grateful.

At the end of my rather unscientific redistribution experiment I realized the homeless guy was grateful for the money he did not earn, but the waiter was pretty angry that I gave away the money he did earn even though the actual recipient deserved money more.

I guess redistribution of wealth is an easier thing to swallow in concept than in practical application.

East Texas Parrothead · October 23, 2008 2:58 pm

jackiesic wrote:
East Texas Parrothead wrote:
carolinagirl wrote:
jackiesic wrote:There's potentially a VERY BIG story that's going to break either tonight or tomorrow. Stay tuned folks.
Can we get a hint? What's your source?
Just guessing here ... there have been two lawsuits filed disputing Obama's citizenship ...
There's more..... just use your googling skills

That's what I did to find this ... will wait for the other shoe to drop tomorrow or over the weekend ... I understand there are several people lining up at the appropriate government buildings watching for him (or someone from his campaign) to show up on Friday ...

Moonie · Post by **Moonie** » October 23, 2008 3:04 pm

jackiesic wrote:I've got run but this was too good not to pass along.....

Today on my way to lunch I passed a homeless guy with a sign that read "Vote Obama, I need the money." I laughed.

Once in the restaurant my server had on a "Obama 08" tie, again I laughed as he had given away his political preference -- just imagine the coincidence.

When the bill came I decided not to tip the server and explained to him that I was exploring the Obama redistribution of wealth concept. He stood there in disbelief while I told him that I was going to redistribute his tip to someone who I deemed more in need--the homeless guy outside. The server angrily stormed from my sight.

I went outside, gave the homeless guy $10 and told him to thank the server inside as I've decided he could use the money more. The homeless guy was grateful.

At the end of my rather unscientific redistribution experiment I realized the homeless guy was grateful for the money he did not earn, but the waiter was pretty angry that I gave away the money he did earn even though the actual recipient deserved money more.

I guess redistribution of wealth is an easier thing to swallow in concept than in practical application.

OMG...that is the funniest thing I've heard since this whole banking/stock market thing started.

Hilarious!!!

ejr · Post by **ejr** » October 23, 2008 3:06 pm

And if this had been true, do you actually think he could run a campaign for President for as long as he has without this being revealed by some official government agency? Or the RNC? Or any of the other far more credible places that have something at stake here?

buffettbride · Post by **buffettbride** » October 23, 2008 3:09 pm

jackiesic wrote:
I guess redistribution of wealth is an easier thing to swallow in concept than in practical application.

So you actually did it or are you re-sharing the same/similar story that was posted on Team Sarah?

How do you know the waiter didn't deserve the money more? Maybe that was a second or third job so he could keep food on the table for his family while the homeless person is a crack-addict kid toucher? Maybe the server is an independent student working his way through college to become a doctor or a lawyer or heaven help us, a minister--and the homeless dude is just lazy.

Seems to me you didn't tip him because your bastardized definition of "redistribution of wealth" made you feel and exercise false superiority toward another individual because of his TIE.

Taxes scare so many people, but there is a cost to live in this country and have the freedoms we do. Just because you are responsible, work hard, and pray to a Christian god doesn't mean you're exempt from paying the costs of being an American (which do sometimes include tax dollars being spent on causes you don't 100% agree with or will ever use...). Hell, my taxes have been paying for public schools for 10 years and until August, I had never taken my child to a public school. During that time I didn't feel like (nor did I feel like my kidless neighbors) I shouldn't have to pay for public schools.

buffettbride · Post by **buffettbride** » October 23, 2008 3:10 pm

Moonie wrote:
OMG...that is the funniest thing I've heard since this whole banking/stock market thing started.

Hilarious!!!

And so unfortunately unoriginal and misplaced.

Moonie · Post by **Moonie** » October 23, 2008 3:17 pm

buffettbride wrote:
Moonie wrote:
OMG...that is the funniest thing I've heard since this whole banking/stock market thing started.

Hilarious!!!
And so unfortunately unoriginal and misplaced.

oh get over yourself... you and I have a different prospective on what is humorous..imagine that

Lighten Up!

ph4ever · Post by **ph4ever** » October 23, 2008 3:21 pm

jackiesic wrote:I've got run but this was too good not to pass along.....

Today on my way to lunch I passed a homeless guy with a sign that read "Vote Obama, I need the money." I laughed.

Once in the restaurant my server had on a "Obama 08" tie, again I laughed as he had given away his political preference -- just imagine the coincidence.

When the bill came I decided not to tip the server and explained to him that I was exploring the Obama redistribution of wealth concept. He stood there in disbelief while I told him that I was going to redistribute his tip to someone who I deemed more in need--the homeless guy outside. The server angrily stormed from my sight.

I went outside, gave the homeless guy $10 and told him to thank the server inside as I've decided he could use the money more. The homeless guy was grateful.

At the end of my rather unscientific redistribution experiment I realized the homeless guy was grateful for the money he did not earn, but the waiter was pretty angry that I gave away the money he did earn even though the actual recipient deserved money more.

I guess redistribution of wealth is an easier thing to swallow in concept than in practical application.

hope you don't eat at that place again

green1 · Post by **green1** » October 23, 2008 3:30 pm

buffettbride wrote:How do you know the waiter didn't deserve the money more? Maybe that was a second or third job so he could keep food on the table for his family while the homeless person is a crack-addict kid toucher?

Wait, but Obama knows that the "crack addict kid toucher" on welfare deserves my money more than my wife and children?

Lightning Bolt · Post by **Lightning Bolt** » October 23, 2008 3:30 pm

ph4ever wrote:
jackiesic wrote:I've got run but this was too good not to pass along.....

Today on my way to lunch I passed a homeless guy with a sign that read "Vote Obama, I need the money." I laughed.

Once in the restaurant my server had on a "Obama 08" tie, again I laughed as he had given away his political preference -- just imagine the coincidence.

When the bill came I decided not to tip the server and explained to him that I was exploring the Obama redistribution of wealth concept. He stood there in disbelief while I told him that I was going to redistribute his tip to someone who I deemed more in need--the homeless guy outside. The server angrily stormed from my sight.

I went outside, gave the homeless guy $10 and told him to thank the server inside as I've decided he could use the money more. The homeless guy was grateful.

At the end of my rather unscientific redistribution experiment I realized the homeless guy was grateful for the money he did not earn, but the waiter was pretty angry that I gave away the money he did earn even though the actual recipient deserved money more.

I guess redistribution of wealth is an easier thing to swallow in concept than in practical application.
hope you don't eat at that place again

yeah... way to make your point, there!

messing with people who make/bring you food is only smart when you're passing through town.

Lightning Bolt · Post by **Lightning Bolt** » October 23, 2008 3:38 pm

green1 wrote:
buffettbride wrote:How do you know the waiter didn't deserve the money more? Maybe that was a second or third job so he could keep food on the table for his family while the homeless person is a crack-addict kid toucher?
Wait, but Obama knows that the "crack addict kid toucher" on welfare deserves my money more than my wife and children?

there you go again, you betcha

you keep on playing the LOWEST COMMON DENOMINATOR rally cry and you may hold onto West Virginia after all!

Moonie · Post by **Moonie** » October 23, 2008 3:40 pm

Hey LB...Off Topic, but this is Off Topic, isn't it..

just curious..

how are you going to vote on Proposition No. 2?

Lightning Bolt · Post by **Lightning Bolt** » October 23, 2008 3:48 pm

Moonie wrote:Hey LB...Off Topic, but this is Off Topic, isn't it..

just curious..

how are you going to vote on Proposition No. 2?

That's the Animal Confinement one, isn't it?

..it doesn't get a lot of pub right now out here,
everyone is too freaked out about the move to ban gay marriage!

I guess I would have to say I'm FOR improving the ridiculous confinement standards...YES on 2
I'm not a big fan of tender baby veal, and I don't see huge adverse downside to implementing this.

What's your thoughts?...

Moonie · Post by **Moonie** » October 23, 2008 3:54 pm

Lightning Bolt wrote:
Moonie wrote:Hey LB...Off Topic, but this is Off Topic, isn't it..

just curious..

how are you going to vote on Proposition No. 2?
That's the Animal Confinement one, isn't it?

..it doesn't get a lot of pub right now out here,
everyone is too freaked out about the move to ban gay marriage!

I guess I would have to say I'm FOR improving the ridiculous confinement standards...YES on 2
I'm not a big fan of tender baby veal, and I don't see huge adverse downside to implementing this.

What's your thoughts?...

Oh geeze, you have to ask?

Of course, I'm for it. No veal for me, and I won't pay the tab if someone dare order it, and I'm picking up the tab...

I'm glad to know that you support it. I hope it passes...