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Apparently some think that the media and its polls can influence up to 5% of the vote which in this election could make the difference in winning/losing. It would seem that some people simply want to cast a "winning" vote.Martonian wrote:Does anyone?SMLCHNG wrote:I know that I will never pick a President based on a spreadsheet and polls.
There's more..... just use your googling skillsEast Texas Parrothead wrote:Just guessing here ... there have been two lawsuits filed disputing Obama's citizenship ...carolinagirl wrote:Can we get a hint? What's your source?jackiesic wrote:There's potentially a VERY BIG story that's going to break either tonight or tomorrow. Stay tuned folks.
The real problem is this type of journalism no longer existschippewa wrote:I'm no fan of most internet bloggers -- at least not those who try to pass themselves off as "real" reporters. Who checks their facts? What are their credentials? What expertise do they have in the subject matter? Anybody with a keyboard and a modem can write whatever they want, with few repercussions. While some try to discredit the "liberal media", I don't even want to imagine living somewhere without freedom of the press. Give me a journalist that learned how to type on a manual typewriter, gets their information from multiple sources and paid their dues by writing obits any day. Reading something on the internet and repeating it in your blog doesn't make you a reporter.
"If your mother says she loves you, check it out." I urge everybody that reads anything on the internet to heed that advice.
(full disclosure: I have a degree in journalism, and I don't blog.)
Okay, here's the question I have. If I recall correctly, a US Citizen must produce a CERTIFIED record of birth (with the raised seal that you can see and feell) in order to obtain a US passport. So, without such a document (and if one existed what's the big deal about producing it?) how in the world did he get a US passport?Tequila Revenge wrote:Is Philly's Bulletin, "elite liberal media," or simply the liberal media? WHo exactly is the drive by media? No one seems to stand up for them these days. It's just not fair.
http://www.thebulletin.us/site/index.cf ... 6361&rfi=8
Inside Today's Bulletin
A Closer Look At The Birth Certificate By John P. Connolly, The Bulletin
10/21/2008
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One of the most intense allegations of the ongoing lawsuit against Sen. Barack Obama alleging ineligibility for the presidency is whether or not Mr. Obama can produce his birth certificate.
If Mr. Obama were to produce his birth certificate, it would lay the entire question to rest. It would prove, beyond a reasonable doubt, that the U.S. government officially recognizes Mr. Obama's citizenship. The Obama campaign says that it has already produced this document, a scanned copy of which is available at the campaign's "Fight the Smears" Web site.
One point critics of Mr. Obama have made is the fact that the document posted is not, in fact, a birth certificate. It is a birth certification, which is a computer-generated printout of a birth record. A certification is a cheap print-off for people who have lost their original birth certificates. For most people, there is little practical difference between a certificate of live birth and a certification of live birth, although the certification requires extra verification when being used like a birth certificate.
Because of the tenuous nature of identifying a certification of birth as genuine, it requires an embossed seal and authoritative signature. The low-resolution scan available on the Obama campaign Web site appears to have neither of those. The ink from a date stamp, "June 6, 2007," is visible clearly, but it appears that the document does not have a seal or signature. The campaign only scanned the front of the document.
Without the seal and signature, the document on the Obama Web site lacks legal weight, and does not count as representing the official birth record of Mr. Obama.
Philip Berg, a former deputy attorney general for Pennsylvania, has filed suit against Mr. Obama, alleging that he is not legally qualified to serve as president. He has indicated that if Mr. Obama were to produce certified documents proving that he is a natural born citizen, he will withdraw his case.
I believe you just answered your own question. He does have a US passport, so he had to show his birth certificate (with raised seal) to obtain his US passport.jackiesic wrote:Okay, here's the question I have. If I recall correctly, a US Citizen must produce a CERTIFIED record of birth (with the raised seal that you can see and feell) in order to obtain a US passport. So, without such a document (and if one existed what's the big deal about producing it?) how in the world did he get a US passport?
Unfortunately I can't read any names on that certificate. FYI - fact check is backed by/part of Annenberg.Martonian wrote:I believe you just answered your own question. He does have a US passport, so he had to show his birth certificate (with raised seal) to obtain his US passport.jackiesic wrote:Okay, here's the question I have. If I recall correctly, a US Citizen must produce a CERTIFIED record of birth (with the raised seal that you can see and feell) in order to obtain a US passport. So, without such a document (and if one existed what's the big deal about producing it?) how in the world did he get a US passport?
And again here is the FactCheck.org link on his birth certificate:
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008 ... e_usa.html
That's what I did to find this ... will wait for the other shoe to drop tomorrow or over the weekend ... I understand there are several people lining up at the appropriate government buildings watching for him (or someone from his campaign) to show up on Friday ...jackiesic wrote:There's more..... just use your googling skillsEast Texas Parrothead wrote:Just guessing here ... there have been two lawsuits filed disputing Obama's citizenship ...carolinagirl wrote:Can we get a hint? What's your source?jackiesic wrote:There's potentially a VERY BIG story that's going to break either tonight or tomorrow. Stay tuned folks.
OMG...that is the funniest thing I've heard since this whole banking/stock market thing started.jackiesic wrote:I've got run but this was too good not to pass along.....
Today on my way to lunch I passed a homeless guy with a sign that read "Vote Obama, I need the money." I laughed.
Once in the restaurant my server had on a "Obama 08" tie, again I laughed as he had given away his political preference -- just imagine the coincidence.
When the bill came I decided not to tip the server and explained to him that I was exploring the Obama redistribution of wealth concept. He stood there in disbelief while I told him that I was going to redistribute his tip to someone who I deemed more in need--the homeless guy outside. The server angrily stormed from my sight.
I went outside, gave the homeless guy $10 and told him to thank the server inside as I've decided he could use the money more. The homeless guy was grateful.
At the end of my rather unscientific redistribution experiment I realized the homeless guy was grateful for the money he did not earn, but the waiter was pretty angry that I gave away the money he did earn even though the actual recipient deserved money more.
I guess redistribution of wealth is an easier thing to swallow in concept than in practical application.
So you actually did it or are you re-sharing the same/similar story that was posted on Team Sarah?jackiesic wrote:
I guess redistribution of wealth is an easier thing to swallow in concept than in practical application.
And so unfortunately unoriginal and misplaced.Moonie wrote:
OMG...that is the funniest thing I've heard since this whole banking/stock market thing started.
Hilarious!!!
oh get over yourself... you and I have a different prospective on what is humorous..imagine thatbuffettbride wrote:And so unfortunately unoriginal and misplaced.Moonie wrote:
OMG...that is the funniest thing I've heard since this whole banking/stock market thing started.
Hilarious!!!
hope you don't eat at that place againjackiesic wrote:I've got run but this was too good not to pass along.....
Today on my way to lunch I passed a homeless guy with a sign that read "Vote Obama, I need the money." I laughed.
Once in the restaurant my server had on a "Obama 08" tie, again I laughed as he had given away his political preference -- just imagine the coincidence.
When the bill came I decided not to tip the server and explained to him that I was exploring the Obama redistribution of wealth concept. He stood there in disbelief while I told him that I was going to redistribute his tip to someone who I deemed more in need--the homeless guy outside. The server angrily stormed from my sight.
I went outside, gave the homeless guy $10 and told him to thank the server inside as I've decided he could use the money more. The homeless guy was grateful.
At the end of my rather unscientific redistribution experiment I realized the homeless guy was grateful for the money he did not earn, but the waiter was pretty angry that I gave away the money he did earn even though the actual recipient deserved money more.
I guess redistribution of wealth is an easier thing to swallow in concept than in practical application.
Wait, but Obama knows that the "crack addict kid toucher" on welfare deserves my money more than my wife and children?buffettbride wrote:How do you know the waiter didn't deserve the money more? Maybe that was a second or third job so he could keep food on the table for his family while the homeless person is a crack-addict kid toucher?
yeah... way to make your point, there!ph4ever wrote:hope you don't eat at that place againjackiesic wrote:I've got run but this was too good not to pass along.....
Today on my way to lunch I passed a homeless guy with a sign that read "Vote Obama, I need the money." I laughed.
Once in the restaurant my server had on a "Obama 08" tie, again I laughed as he had given away his political preference -- just imagine the coincidence.
When the bill came I decided not to tip the server and explained to him that I was exploring the Obama redistribution of wealth concept. He stood there in disbelief while I told him that I was going to redistribute his tip to someone who I deemed more in need--the homeless guy outside. The server angrily stormed from my sight.
I went outside, gave the homeless guy $10 and told him to thank the server inside as I've decided he could use the money more. The homeless guy was grateful.
At the end of my rather unscientific redistribution experiment I realized the homeless guy was grateful for the money he did not earn, but the waiter was pretty angry that I gave away the money he did earn even though the actual recipient deserved money more.
I guess redistribution of wealth is an easier thing to swallow in concept than in practical application.
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there you go again, you betchagreen1 wrote:Wait, but Obama knows that the "crack addict kid toucher" on welfare deserves my money more than my wife and children?buffettbride wrote:How do you know the waiter didn't deserve the money more? Maybe that was a second or third job so he could keep food on the table for his family while the homeless person is a crack-addict kid toucher?
That's the Animal Confinement one, isn't it?Moonie wrote:Hey LB...Off Topic, but this is Off Topic, isn't it..
just curious..
how are you going to vote on Proposition No. 2?
Oh geeze, you have to ask?Lightning Bolt wrote:That's the Animal Confinement one, isn't it?Moonie wrote:Hey LB...Off Topic, but this is Off Topic, isn't it..
just curious..
how are you going to vote on Proposition No. 2?
..it doesn't get a lot of pub right now out here,
everyone is too freaked out about the move to ban gay marriage!
I guess I would have to say I'm FOR improving the ridiculous confinement standards...YES on 2
I'm not a big fan of tender baby veal, and I don't see huge adverse downside to implementing this.
What's your thoughts?...