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Lightning Bolt wrote:
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jackiesic wrote:Okay, is it worse out there this year than in 2004 or have my memories faded?

Woman Attacked At ATM, Assailant Carves Letter Into Her Face

PITTSBURGH -- A 20-year-old woman who was robbed at an ATM in Bloomfield was also maimed by her attacker, police said.

Pittsburgh police spokeswoman Diane Richard tells Channel 4 Action News that the victim was robbed at knifepoint on Wednesday night outside of a Citizens Bank near Liberty Avenue and Pearl Street just before 9 p.m.

Richard said the robber took $60 from the woman, then became angry when he saw a McCain bumper sticker on the victim's car. The attacker then punched and kicked the victim, before using the knife to scratch the letter "B" into her face, Richard said.

Rest of story here:
http://www.thepittsburghchannel.com/new ... etail.html
Michelle Malkin is quite skeptical...

http://michellemalkin.com/2008/10/23/wh ... lly-weird/
This would be a shocking crime... if it didn't have all the hallmarks of a hoax
Have you seen the photo of the female "victim"???

The "B" is scratched in BACKWARDS :o
which is the result you and would see if this done while standing in front of a mirror!

This is utter BS, and this kind of race-baiting is exactly the thing I feared could happen in parts of the country.
what's next?... a lynch mob? :-? :-? :-?
From the girl's Twitter page:

Thu, 23 Oct 2008 00:23:21 - Stubbornly searching for a bank of america to avoid ATM fees.

Thu, 23 Oct 2008 00:45:59 - Pretty sure I'm on the wrong side of pittsburgh
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Post by ph4ever »

jackiesic wrote: Why do you have such a problem with Team Sarah?
I know that you asked this to Mal, and God knows Mal can speak for herself.

Gov Palin lied to the US when she said she was was against the bridge to nowhere. Originally she was all for it and specifically said so in Oct 2006 during her campaign for governor. In Sept 2007 the project was halted because of rising cost estimates and at that time she stated "Much of the public's attitude toward Alaska bridges is based on inaccurate portrayals of the projects here" Her adminstration in fact spent tens of millions of dollars to build roads on Gravina Island. We're talking a town with population 50 - 7 blocks wide and 8 miles long. That money could have been better spent on upgrading the state's ferry system. The ferry ride from Gravina to Ketchikan is only a 15 minute ride. So not only did she lie to the American public, she flip-flopped and has shown virtually no sound fiscal thought or responsibility.

She is all for legislation to criminalize abortion even in cases of rape and incest and stated so in Oct 2006 during a televised debate.

She portrays herself to be a "Middle American" however it's very obvious that she is far from being a "Middle American" by spending over $ 150,000 on a campaign clothes. Even though the RNC paid for the clothes and it's been stated that it will be donated to charity after the campaign I ask you - how many "middle class American" women spend $ 150,000 on clothes and hair in one month?

Gov Palin's interview with Katie Couric pretty much showed a complete lack of understanding about a number of issues, including a basic understanding of Supreme Court decisions as well as John McCain's history as a senator.
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ph4ever wrote:
jackiesic wrote: Why do you have such a problem with Team Sarah?
I know that you asked this to Mal, and God knows Mal can speak for herself.

Gov Palin lied to the US when she said she was was against the bridge to nowhere. Originally she was all for it and specifically said so in Oct 2006 during her campaign for governor. In Sept 2007 the project was halted because of rising cost estimates and at that time she stated "Much of the public's attitude toward Alaska bridges is based on inaccurate portrayals of the projects here" Her adminstration in fact spent tens of millions of dollars to build roads on Gravina Island. We're talking a town with population 50 - 7 blocks wide and 8 miles long. That money could have been better spent on upgrading the state's ferry system. The ferry ride from Gravina to Ketchikan is only a 15 minute ride. So not only did she lie to the American public, she flip-flopped and has shown virtually no sound fiscal thought or responsibility.

She is all for legislation to criminalize abortion even in cases of rape and incest and stated so in Oct 2006 during a televised debate.

She portrays herself to be a "Middle American" however it's very obvious that she is far from being a "Middle American" by spending over $ 150,000 on a campaign clothes. Even though the RNC paid for the clothes and it's been stated that it will be donated to charity after the campaign I ask you - how many "middle class American" women spend $ 150,000 on clothes and hair in one month?

Gov Palin's interview with Katie Couric pretty much showed a complete lack of understanding about a number of issues, including a basic understanding of Supreme Court decisions as well as John McCain's history as a senator.
It's rather astounding the number of flat-out lies that she's told in this campaign.
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jackiesic wrote:I've got run but this was too good not to pass along.....

Today on my way to lunch I passed a homeless guy with a sign that read "Vote Obama, I need the money." I laughed.

Once in the restaurant my server had on a "Obama 08" tie, again I laughed as he had given away his political preference -- just imagine the coincidence.

When the bill came I decided not to tip the server and explained to him that I was exploring the Obama redistribution of wealth concept. He stood there in disbelief while I told him that I was going to redistribute his tip to someone who I deemed more in need--the homeless guy outside. The server angrily stormed from my sight.

I went outside, gave the homeless guy $10 and told him to thank the server inside as I've decided he could use the money more. The homeless guy was grateful.

At the end of my rather unscientific redistribution experiment I realized the homeless guy was grateful for the money he did not earn, but the waiter was pretty angry that I gave away the money he did earn even though the actual recipient deserved money more.

I guess redistribution of wealth is an easier thing to swallow in concept than in practical application.
Parden my french, but unless this is the first time you've eaten in public you would understand that servers in this country, in most but not all states, make less than the "accepted minimum" wage. People in the restaurant industry work hard for theit tips. No, they are not entitled to them and yes I think they have to earn a good tip, but to deny someone a tip simply because they are wearig a button promoting a person you don't agree with? What you should have done at the beginning of the meal is brought this to a manager's attention, saying "I don't agree with this political statement being made." Most restaurants in this politically charged climate would have easily taken care of moving you to, or moving a server into that table, so everything was acceptable. By not saying anything until your waiter was done waiting on you affected him advesrsely. That server has just as much right to believe in what they want as you do. You know that a server with an obama button will get treated differently by you, but instead of doing anything about it, you let that person serve you and then say "I'm not tipping you?" I'm sorry, but p*** off.

What makes me laugh about this thread (and still does until people from the service industry get attacked) is that apparently everyone other than myself has a degree in political science.
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jackiesic wrote:I've got run but this was too good not to pass along.....

Today on my way to lunch I passed a homeless guy with a sign that read "Vote Obama, I need the money." I laughed.

Once in the restaurant my server had on a "Obama 08" tie, again I laughed as he had given away his political preference -- just imagine the coincidence.

When the bill came I decided not to tip the server and explained to him that I was exploring the Obama redistribution of wealth concept. He stood there in disbelief while I told him that I was going to redistribute his tip to someone who I deemed more in need--the homeless guy outside. The server angrily stormed from my sight.

I went outside, gave the homeless guy $10 and told him to thank the server inside as I've decided he could use the money more. The homeless guy was grateful.

At the end of my rather unscientific redistribution experiment I realized the homeless guy was grateful for the money he did not earn, but the waiter was pretty angry that I gave away the money he did earn even though the actual recipient deserved money more.

I guess redistribution of wealth is an easier thing to swallow in concept than in practical application.
I checked your post on another page of this thread. You say "I did not do this"

Maybe the phrase that says "Today on my way to lunch I passed a homeless guy with a sign that read "Vote Obama, I need the money." I laughed." be edited by you when you post so it doesn't sound like you were the one who actually did this.
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Lightning Bolt wrote:
diverg wrote:
SDPirate40 wrote:
jackiesic wrote:
SDPirate40 wrote:
jackiesic wrote:I've got run but this was too good not to pass along.....

Today on my way to lunch I passed a homeless guy with a sign that read "Vote Obama, I need the money." I laughed.

Once in the restaurant my server had on a "Obama 08" tie, again I laughed as he had given away his political preference -- just imagine the coincidence.

When the bill came I decided not to tip the server and explained to him that I was exploring the Obama redistribution of wealth concept. He stood there in disbelief while I told him that I was going to redistribute his tip to someone who I deemed more in need--the homeless guy outside. The server angrily stormed from my sight.

I went outside, gave the homeless guy $10 and told him to thank the server inside as I've decided he could use the money more. The homeless guy was grateful.

At the end of my rather unscientific redistribution experiment I realized the homeless guy was grateful for the money he did not earn, but the waiter was pretty angry that I gave away the money he did earn even though the actual recipient deserved money more.

I guess redistribution of wealth is an easier thing to swallow in concept than in practical application.
This was funny, at least to me.

I pay over 51% of my entire annual income and investment earnings in taxes today (federal, state, cap gains, personal property tax). I find great irony the vast majority of people supporting Mr. Obama do not pay either this rate, or the ridiculous total taxes in dollars I personally pay. It is painful to think my taxes both in raw dollars and tax rate will go up with Mr. Obama in office. How much is enough?

The above story does illustrate one thing related to my future behavior if Mr. Obama is elected. To make up for Mr. Obama taking money out of my pocket, I will give much less to my personal charities, and also be more conservative on other spending habits that does directly help people of lesser means. This does not mean I am not a charitable person. It just means the government taking my money at a higher rate to give money to those less fortunate will mean I give directly less. The government will then be my major designated charity.

Call it a resulting form of wealth redistribution.

PS: Other than the tax thing, I do like Mr. Obama.
You seem to have a better grasp on what you pay in taxes than most people.
Jackie....my exact point.

Many years ago I paid around 20% of my income and paid some $14K in taxes. It hurt, but it was fair.

Today, blessed with far more income. Instead of paying 20% of that income, I pay 51%. If we all had the same tax rate, trust me, I would still pay far more than the average, and it would be fair and in proportion to my income.

The average person voting for Mr. Obama would go absolutely bonkers if their personal tax rate was 51% today of their income versus half that rate they pay (or less). Said another way, an average person making $60K pays around the $14K I paid years ago. Could you imagine all of the people wanting "fairness" paid my tax rate and shelled out $32K of their $60K annual income and Mr. Obama actually had the nerve to ask for more? Somehow, I have a feeling a republican just might win.

Now, before anyone shoots back something to the effect "hey pal. quit your complaining, you seem to make a ton a money" Or "quit griping, I would love to make your money and have that tax problem" My answer to this comeback is simple. I earned every dollar, took many risks, invested well, saved money and made more investments. This took huge effort and my opinion it is insane to grab 51% and soon to be higher proportion of what I worked hard to earn.

PS: Still like Mr. Obama personally and he may not be bad for a million reasons. Also think John just made about the worst VP pick ever. Could anyone honestly really see Palin running a country? I would not hire her as a junior manager trainee in my company. I am not sure what John or even Alaska was thinking with this one. She is kind of good looking. Wish the good ol republican party could have offered up a better alternative than John and the others that did not make it to the final round.

Mr. Obama...hope you have what it takes, looks like "you da man".

Jackie, again, thanks for making me chuckle. Your story framed this single tax issue well.
Would you really base a hiring decision on just what you see and hear from an extremely biased media?

Would it not be more prudent to personally interview this person and get to know her. Then you could make a fair decision to see if she was a good fit for your company?
You're right.
I think spending less than...or about... 3 hours with a person is all ANYBODY really needs to vet a possible running mate. :o :-? :roll:
Thanks LB, you save me a LOT of typing time! Between you and Mal my opinions get expressed without any effort on my part. And you both seem to stay calmer than I do! And as an aside has anyone who's worried about the "Tax bogeyman" even spent 5 minutes reading the plan on Obama's website. I may be wrong but nowhere does it say he's going to tax the rich and give the money to homeless drunks and people who don't work. And the phrase "Spread the wealth around" in CONTEXT was a description of how the tax breaks would be spread more evenly among people in the middle and lower ends of the income spectrum. Those are the folks who have no money to spend right now at Walmart and Christmas Tree Shop etc etc.
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Post by mjeischen »

jackiesic wrote:There's potentially a VERY BIG story that's going to break either tonight or tomorrow. Stay tuned folks.
Still waiting . . . .
Obamas camp spends $40k out eating on the road?(The people need to eat) Palin goes on a $150k shopping spree? (She doesn't need clothes to speak to me)

Still waiting . . .
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mjeischen wrote:
jackiesic wrote:There's potentially a VERY BIG story that's going to break either tonight or tomorrow. Stay tuned folks.
Still waiting . . . .
Obamas camp spends $40k out eating on the road?(The people need to eat) Palin goes on a $150k shopping spree? (She doesn't need clothes to speak to me)

Still waiting . . .
You probably know that it refers to a story from back in August that is still being repeated endlessly on blog sites that Obama's birth certificate isn't valid. It's been knocked down by Snopes and by Factcheck.org AND CNN's fact check, but since it didn't come from Hannity/Colmes or the lovely Ms Coulter, some folks just won't believe it. Either that or the Kenya birth record thing, again, not being reported by any credible news agency, just blogs and personal websites. Like it's not hard enough to get accurate news ,now any moron with a computer can set him or herself up with a site and post things that come across as fact citing only "A very reliable source" All of a sudden they become sources for credible information.

Shows the level of desperation out there.
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Post by lati2d »

ScarletB wrote:
mjeischen wrote:
jackiesic wrote:There's potentially a VERY BIG story that's going to break either tonight or tomorrow. Stay tuned folks.
Still waiting . . . .
Obamas camp spends $40k out eating on the road?(The people need to eat) Palin goes on a $150k shopping spree? (She doesn't need clothes to speak to me)

Still waiting . . .
You probably know that it refers to a story from back in August that is still being repeated endlessly on blog sites that Obama's birth certificate isn't valid. It's been knocked down by Snopes and by Factcheck.org AND CNN's fact check, but since it didn't come from Hannity/Colmes or the lovely Ms Coulter, some folks just won't believe it. Either that or the Kenya birth record thing, again, not being reported by any credible news agency, just blogs and personal websites. Like it's not hard enough to get accurate news ,now any moron with a computer can set him or herself up with a site and post things that come across as fact citing only "A very reliable source" All of a sudden they become sources for credible information.

Shows the level of desperation out there.
McCain and Palin AND all Republicans across the country ARE desperate. They know that the country is going to vote to throw the Republicans out .
McCain showed his lack of judgement by picking Palin.
And Palin's clothes ( $ 150,000 ) cost more than Joe the Plumber's HOUSE! So much for being the regular Joe Six Pack Hockey Mom.
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jackiesic wrote:Nope, not from Team Sarah and no, I did not do this. Just found it on another site. Why do you have such a problem with Team Sarah? I saw the other silly comment you made earlier and decided at that time to ignore it.
I have a problem with Team Sarah because it seems fanatical and goes against 99.99% of every political stance I have. I find Sarah Palin not only unqualified but condescending and a person who was placed on John McCain's ticket to satisfy his political party and the religious right (which support causes which I vehemently do not support). I've seen threads about Team Sarah who constantly think of Obama as a socialist, satan, a communist, pro-abortion; the list goes on. Anyone with a real clue would know those labels are the farthest from the truth--yet Sarah Palin does very little to dispel those obvious inaccuracies. Regardless of Palin's wardrobe or lipstick, there are some real nutjobs on that site.
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Brown Eyed Girl wrote:
shakerofsalt wrote:
buffettbride wrote:
jackiesic wrote:
I guess redistribution of wealth is an easier thing to swallow in concept than in practical application.
So you actually did it or are you re-sharing the same/similar story that was posted on Team Sarah?

How do you know the waiter didn't deserve the money more? Maybe that was a second or third job so he could keep food on the table for his family while the homeless person is a crack-addict kid toucher? Maybe the server is an independent student working his way through college to become a doctor or a lawyer or heaven help us, a minister--and the homeless dude is just lazy.

Seems to me you didn't tip him because your bastardized definition of "redistribution of wealth" made you feel and exercise false superiority toward another individual because of his TIE.

Taxes scare so many people, but there is a cost to live in this country and have the freedoms we do. Just because you are responsible, work hard, and pray to a Christian god doesn't mean you're exempt from paying the costs of being an American (which do sometimes include tax dollars being spent on causes you don't 100% agree with or will ever use...). Hell, my taxes have been paying for public schools for 10 years and until August, I had never taken my child to a public school. During that time I didn't feel like (nor did I feel like my kidless neighbors) I shouldn't have to pay for public schools.
Our school system is in need of financial help. Too many citizens keep voting down the levy because their kids go to private schools, not public so they don't want to pay for public school kids. In my state (I have no idea what your state mandates are), public schools must pay for and provide school nurses, guidance counselors and buses (to name a few) for private schools. Plus, if a child requires special services, public school picks up that tab. Yes, public schools have to pay for services offered at a private school. Unfortunately, the levy commitees haven't done a very good job getting the word out that public school does fund some of the private school services.
Hmmm...speaking for special services...public schools must *offer* FAPE (free and appropriate public education) to private school students with special needs, which means the kid would have to enroll in the public school system to receive those services. My private school students had to come see me for therapy and it was at my convenience, not theirs...and they were limited to a specific number of sessions per year. I won't swear on a stack of oreos, but I'm pretty sure that is federally mandated and not state. That's not to say districts in certain states aren't following the letter of the law...both federal and state ed laws seem to be open to interpretation by some. Then there are the "sue happy" parents who sue districts to get special placements for their kids that the district has to fund. :roll: In those cases a district may indeed end up paying for a private school/facility placement. The only time that *should* come into play is if the district is unable to provide similar programming within the district and it can be proven that it would be detrimental to the child to not receive that service. Unfortuately there are a few rotten apple parents who have twisted that into getting whatever the hell they want...and yeah, they gloat about it. :-?

As for states paying for nurses, counselors etc for private schools, I think that is total BS. School nurses are probably one of the most overworked and underfunded positions in a district, they're spread too thin as it is. Most private schools rake in some serious bucks, they need to shell out the money to contract out for all those services. I have the same issue with head start. They are federally funded and get a whole lot more money than most programs, and yet they expect services to be "donated" (inkind hours) as opposed to helping fund those positions or hiring their own. They majorly impact caseloads but provide no funding to make up for it. :roll:
I always vote for the pubic school levys and such. I've seen so many teachers do so much with very little and get paid so, so much less than they should. Yet, at the same time I see parents constantly b*tch, moan, and berate the system.

As I'm seeing as we embark on our first year of public school, it is so much about parent involvement and fundraising (as much as fundraisers drive me batty). I'm currently working with a committee for my daughter's school on grant writing to try and find some funds that way.

Our private schools in CO are exactly that, private. I don't think there are any gimmes that private schoolers get from public funds. I know my daughter's school did not have any. No buses or funded nurses or counselors or therapists. They did have a part time counselor and a part time speech therapist, but they were all funded by the school's payroll.
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Post by Hooray Beer! »

The sad thing is that neither candidate is worthy of being President

We deserve better

Yet we squabble and fight over two groups of idiots

I'd rather see outrage that we can't get better people to run for President, rather than which idiot is the lesser idiot

Makes me sad as hell
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UAHparrothead wrote:
buffettbride wrote: Just because you are responsible, work hard, and pray to a Christian god doesn't mean you're exempt from paying the costs of being an American (which do sometimes include tax dollars being spent on causes you don't 100% agree with or will ever use...).
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Post by lati2d »

buffettbride wrote:
Brown Eyed Girl wrote:
shakerofsalt wrote:
buffettbride wrote:
jackiesic wrote:
I guess redistribution of wealth is an easier thing to swallow in concept than in practical application.
So you actually did it or are you re-sharing the same/similar story that was posted on Team Sarah?

How do you know the waiter didn't deserve the money more? Maybe that was a second or third job so he could keep food on the table for his family while the homeless person is a crack-addict kid toucher? Maybe the server is an independent student working his way through college to become a doctor or a lawyer or heaven help us, a minister--and the homeless dude is just lazy.

Seems to me you didn't tip him because your bastardized definition of "redistribution of wealth" made you feel and exercise false superiority toward another individual because of his TIE.

Taxes scare so many people, but there is a cost to live in this country and have the freedoms we do. Just because you are responsible, work hard, and pray to a Christian god doesn't mean you're exempt from paying the costs of being an American (which do sometimes include tax dollars being spent on causes you don't 100% agree with or will ever use...). Hell, my taxes have been paying for public schools for 10 years and until August, I had never taken my child to a public school. During that time I didn't feel like (nor did I feel like my kidless neighbors) I shouldn't have to pay for public schools.
Our school system is in need of financial help. Too many citizens keep voting down the levy because their kids go to private schools, not public so they don't want to pay for public school kids. In my state (I have no idea what your state mandates are), public schools must pay for and provide school nurses, guidance counselors and buses (to name a few) for private schools. Plus, if a child requires special services, public school picks up that tab. Yes, public schools have to pay for services offered at a private school. Unfortunately, the levy commitees haven't done a very good job getting the word out that public school does fund some of the private school services.
Hmmm...speaking for special services...public schools must *offer* FAPE (free and appropriate public education) to private school students with special needs, which means the kid would have to enroll in the public school system to receive those services. My private school students had to come see me for therapy and it was at my convenience, not theirs...and they were limited to a specific number of sessions per year. I won't swear on a stack of oreos, but I'm pretty sure that is federally mandated and not state. That's not to say districts in certain states aren't following the letter of the law...both federal and state ed laws seem to be open to interpretation by some. Then there are the "sue happy" parents who sue districts to get special placements for their kids that the district has to fund. :roll: In those cases a district may indeed end up paying for a private school/facility placement. The only time that *should* come into play is if the district is unable to provide similar programming within the district and it can be proven that it would be detrimental to the child to not receive that service. Unfortuately there are a few rotten apple parents who have twisted that into getting whatever the hell they want...and yeah, they gloat about it. :-?

As for states paying for nurses, counselors etc for private schools, I think that is total BS. School nurses are probably one of the most overworked and underfunded positions in a district, they're spread too thin as it is. Most private schools rake in some serious bucks, they need to shell out the money to contract out for all those services. I have the same issue with head start. They are federally funded and get a whole lot more money than most programs, and yet they expect services to be "donated" (inkind hours) as opposed to helping fund those positions or hiring their own. They majorly impact caseloads but provide no funding to make up for it. :roll:
I always vote for the pubic school levys and such. I've seen so many teachers do so much with very little and get paid so, so much less than they should. Yet, at the same time I see parents constantly b*tch, moan, and berate the system.

As I'm seeing as we embark on our first year of public school, it is so much about parent involvement and fundraising (as much as fundraisers drive me batty). I'm currently working with a committee for my daughter's school on grant writing to try and find some funds that way.

Our private schools in CO are exactly that, private. I don't think there are any gimmes that private schoolers get from public funds. I know my daughter's school did not have any. No buses or funded nurses or counselors or therapists. They did have a part time counselor and a part time speech therapist, but they were all funded by the school's payroll.
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Post by Martonian »

buffettbride wrote: I find Sarah Palin not only unqualified but condescending and a person who was placed on John McCain's ticket to satisfy his political party and the religious right (which support causes which I vehemently do not support).
And don't forget that it was also a ploy to get disaffected Hillary voters... which has failed.
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Hooray Beer! wrote:The sad thing is that neither candidate is worthy of being President

We deserve better

Yet we squabble and fight over two groups of idiots

I'd rather see outrage that we can't get better people to run for President, rather than which idiot is the lesser idiot

Makes me sad as hell

Wait until you read this


Suppose that every day, ten men go out for beer and the bill for all ten comes to $100. If they paid their bill the way we pay our taxes,it would go something like this:

The first four men (the poorest) would pay nothing.
The fifth would pay $1.
The sixth would pay $3.
The seventh would pay $7.
The eighth would pay $12.
The ninth would pay $18.
The tenth man (the richest) would pay $59.

So, that’s what they decided to do.

The ten men drank in the bar every day and seemed quite happy with the arrangement, until one day, the owner threw them a curve. ‘Since you are all such good customers,’ he said, ‘I’m going to reduce the cost of your daily beer by $20.’ Drinks for the ten now cost just $80.

The group still wanted to pay their bill the way we pay our taxes so the first four men were unaffected. They would still drink for free.

But what about the other six men - the paying customers? How could they divide the $20 windfall so that everyone would get his ‘fair share?’

They realized that $20 divided by six is $3.33. But if they subtracted that from everybody’s share, then the fifth man and the sixth man would each end up being paid to drink his beer. So, the bar owner suggested that it would be fair to reduce each man’s bill by roughly the same amount, and he proceeded to work out the amounts each=2 0should pay.

And so:
The fifth man, like the first four, now paid nothing (100%savings).
The sixth now paid $2 instead of $3 (33%savings).
The seventh now pay $5 instead of $7 (28%savings).
The eighth now paid $9 instead of $12 (25% savings).
The ninth now paid $14 instead of $18 (22% savings).
The tenth now paid $49 instead of $59 (16% savings).

Each of the six was better off than before. And the first four continued to drink for free. But once outside the restaurant, the men began to compare their savings.

‘I only got a dollar out of the $20,’declared the sixth man. He pointed to the tenth man,’ but he got $10!’

‘Yeah, that’s right,’ exclaimed the fifth man. ‘I only saved a dollar, too. It’s unfair that he got ten times more than I got’

‘That’s true!!’ shouted the seventh man. ‘Why should he get $10 back when I got only two? The wealthy get all the breaks!’

‘Wait a minute,’ yelled the first four men in unison. ‘We didn’t get anything at all. The system exploits the poor!’

The nine men surrounded the tenth and beat him up.

The next night the tenth man didn’t show up for drinks so the nine sat down and had beers without him. But when it came time to pay the bill, they discovered something important. They didn’t have enough money between all of t hem for even half of the bill!

And that, ladies and gentlemen, journalists and college professors, is how our tax system works!!

The people who pay the highest taxes get the most benefit from a tax reduction. Tax them too much, attack them for being wealthy, and they just may not show up anymore. In fact, they might start drinking overseas where the atmosphere is somewhat friendlier.
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HockeyParrotHead wrote:Image
I *love* that comic. :lol: :lol:
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Post by East Texas Parrothead »

SharkOnLand wrote:
HockeyParrotHead wrote:Image
I *love* that comic. :lol: :lol:
Me, too. Laughed out loud ... :D
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Tequila Revenge wrote:
Hooray Beer! wrote:The sad thing is that neither candidate is worthy of being President

We deserve better

Yet we squabble and fight over two groups of idiots

I'd rather see outrage that we can't get better people to run for President, rather than which idiot is the lesser idiot

Makes me sad as hell

Wait until you read this


Suppose that every day, ten men go out for beer and the bill for all ten comes to $100. If they paid their bill the way we pay our taxes,it would go something like this:

The first four men (the poorest) would pay nothing.
The fifth would pay $1.
The sixth would pay $3.
The seventh would pay $7.
The eighth would pay $12.
The ninth would pay $18.
The tenth man (the richest) would pay $59. ...
I saw a great response to that some time ago...

"They neglected to mention that the tenth man originally got rich by screwing the other nine." :lol:
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