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A Question for Longtime Parrotheads

Post by MrTwain »

There are certain benefits to being a relative newcomer to Buffetology and Parrotheadism. Just for starters, I am able to view the past 4 decades of Jimmy Buffett's career as a series of historical events. How cool is that? To a great degree I am able to have the best of both worlds - being able to hear the candy-coated, almost mystical telling of Jimmy's adventures, the coming and going of various Coral Reefers, the entry and exit of characters along the way (Phil Clark, Captain Tony, Groovy, and others), and am able to view it all as one would view the carefully scripted rise-and-fall of a plot-line in a literary masterpiece. Seeing it all in retrospect as a student, rather than an observer, spares me from ever having had an opinion about it while it happened. So in that sense, it's almost scriptural; a "Jimmy sang, therefore, it was good" sort of thing.

And so, a part of me wonders whether (although Jimmy is now in his sixties), I may have happened along too early in his career. You see, Jimmy is still in full-throttle mode, continually spewing influence into our lives like a living volcano of sorts. His impact on culture, music, my family's vacations and sunny afternoons at home is going strong and as a result, I find myself witnessing his era happening around me. Human nature being what it is, being in the mix of it all forces me to now have opinions about new things that Jimmy says and does, and sometimes that can be a real bummer if I find myself being critical of him and his music. I like it better looking backwards.

(Thanks for reading this far. I really am getting to my point soon :) )

Since becoming aware of Jimmy Buffett in 2006, Jimmy has only released two albums (Take The Weather With You, and now, Bufet Hotel). To me, the first album was spot on, fantastic and exactly what I would expect from Jimmy. Learning to love Take The Weather With You was as easy as learning the words to A Pirate Looks at Forty for me; it happened almost overnight and was a pleasure from beginning to end.

Bufet Hotel, however, has been different. Sadly, I just haven't really been able to learn to enjoy the music on that album. They're great songs, sure... but honestly not much different that what I could get from Mark Knopfler or any other such songwriter. Nothing wrong with that, certainly... but just not what I was hoping from Jimmy.

I admit... if Bufet Hotel was an older album that had been recorded in 1993 and I didn't hear it until 2009, chances are I would listen to it, learn the music and appreciate it for what it is - a single block in Jimmy's amazing quilt of songs throughout his career. But because I am now watching his quilt of music be sewn, I suddenly have an opinion over whether that block of fabric should have even been used. Does that make sense?

So for you longtime Parrotheads - for you veteran Buffetologists who have witnessed the patchwork of events, times and music in Jimmy's career: were there any albums that Jimmy produced earlier in his career, that you did not like at all, wherein the album is now regarded as an integral part of Jimmy's body of work? Were there any of you that did not initially like Floridays, or Barometer Soup, or Off To See The Lizard, or Far Side of The World, or any other classic Jimmy album? Were there any among you who, upon hearing Holiday or Creola for the first time thought to yourself, "what was Jimmy thinking?"

I'm not trying to make this bigger than it really is, I'm just holding out hope that perhaps, several years from now, I'll listen to Bufet Hotel and be glad that Jimmy took time to delve into that realm of song before calling it quits.
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I know this is not what you are looking for but I just have to say I think you are over analyzing everything.
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MrTwain wrote:I admit... if Bufet Hotel was an older album that had been recorded in 1993 and I didn't hear it until 2009, chances are I would listen to it, learn the music and appreciate it for what it is - a single block in Jimmy's amazing quilt of songs throughout his career. But because I am now watching his quilt of music be sewn, I suddenly have an opinion over whether that block of fabric should have even been used. Does that make sense?
Not really but I don't have the romantic view of it all like you do. Are you spelling his new album wrong on purpose? Because you spelled all the other ones right. You do see the humor in that don't you? How he went for the "misspelling" to begin with...even though it's not a misspelling.

With what you just said is hilarious - if it came out in 1993 you'd listen to it but not now? So you're picking and choosing your own 'if'. If you don't like it now, what makes you think you'd like it in 1993? Because it would be...1993? Is that what one could call revisionist history? That's like saying you don't like rap music but you really like Turn On The Heat or Party At The End Of The World because it's JIMMY BUFFETT. Yet...
MrTwain wrote:So for you longtime Parrotheads - for you veteran Buffetologists who have witnessed the patchwork of events, times and music in Jimmy's career: were there any albums that Jimmy produced earlier in his career, that you did not like at all, wherein the album is now regarded as an integral part of Jimmy's body of work? Were there any of you that did not initially like Floridays, or Barometer Soup, or Off To See The Lizard, or Far Side of The World, or any other classic Jimmy album? Were there any among you who, upon hearing Holiday or Creola for the first time thought to yourself, "what was Jimmy thinking?"
Although I've never considered myself a "parrothead", along with a few other Buffett fans I know, yes, actually, I did not like some albums or songs when they came out but it/they got to unfold within the timeline of release, tour - which hasn't happened yet for the new album. When Off To See The Lizard came out I was floored by all the chinzy cheap terrible sounding keyboard and drum machine/sampling sound of the album (especially when you listen to Hot Water and then play Lizard - who the hell is that guy?). Live - it was much better. So hearing the songs live changed listening to the album for me. It's still his worst produced album but the songs are good. Far Side Of The World is just too spotty of an album. It has some great songs on it but it has some clunkers on it too. With Holiday and Creola I thought Jimmy was turning into Copocabana Boy, whatever his name is. But hearing them live... and sometimes the initial reaction might be the right one but if you can get beyond the actual cheesiness of it and possibly get the joke then...those songs are not nearly as bad as Turn Up The Heat and Party and Cultural Infidel and Vampires and Math Suks...

Barry Manilow. Or for that matter Tony Orlando.

Hope that makes sense.
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Re: A Question for Longtime Parrotheads

Post by PA PAR8 HED »

In my opinion, you take what you get. I've thought the same thing myself.

I joined the flock about 18 years ago. And with a few exceptions, I don't think I've seen Jimmy's best work come out of the recording studio in those years. Most of my favorite songs are "pre-Fruitcakes". And I kick myself for not finding Jimmy earlier, when I was in college in California and I could have seen so many of those songs performed live, in what I imagine was a completely different environment.
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It appears that Jimmy simply write down what he sees and hears. Key West, St. Barth's, Africa, France, Boston (OK . . . one Boston song but it counts! :D ), have all been part of the stories Jimmy tells. New instruments, sounds, styles, etc. creep into his work based on the types of sounds he experiences on his travels (especially Far Side of the World for "recent" pieces of work . . . pun intended!). Every so often getting shot at in his plane, a sunset, a particular drink, a particular bar, a particular . . . wait for it . . . harbor . . . make it into a song.
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Re: A Question for Longtime Parrotheads

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To answer the basic question did I underappreciate a former album at first???

I guess YES I did. I remember buying Beach House on the Moon and didn't open the CD for a good year. I heard a cut or two...wasn't blown away at first and didn't think about it thereafter. I'm very glad I went back and opened that disk...it has become one of my favorite albums.
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Re: A Question for Longtime Parrotheads

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JollyMon66 wrote:To answer the basic question did I underappreciate a former album at first???

I guess YES I did. I remember buying Beach House on the Moon and didn't open the CD for a good year. I heard a cut or two...wasn't blown away at first and didn't think about it thereafter. I'm very glad I went back and opened that disk...it has become one of my favorite albums.
That is a great example. Thanks
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Post by conched »

Only been listening to JB since 1994, although I had You Had To Be There and Floridays and listened to them some, but just did not GET IT until later.

And, yes, lately I have gone back to Off To See The Lizard just so I can TAKE ANOTHER ROAD and I have enjoyed the different sound of that album LOTS more now. I loved reading TFM, so I really enjoy all those songs as stories too. I also just wanted to HEAR the difference in the band when Peter, Jim, and Roger joined up with Jimmy.

The sound of the band on One Particular Harbour will always be my favorite I think...that sort of Tropical Western sound.

Don't know if that really answers your question...
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Post by looking4OPH »

I've only been into Jimmy a couple years longer than you and I have the same feelings on new albums. They don't immediately click with me. Not sure why. Buffet Hotel is growing on me, but it has taken some time.
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I found JB in 85 I was trying to get next to this girl. She liked Bob Marley so I took her to a Buffett concert. I didn't get the girl but I found the sound track for the rest of my life. On that note when a new cd comes out it never fail I dont like most of it. Off To See The LizardFor example loved Pascagoula Run and Take Another Road.The rest not so much it goes in the car for those 2 songs then next thing I know I'm walking through the mall singing Carnival World to my self and Gravity Storm out loud when I fell leaving a bar one night. New cd's just have to find a place in my live. JB's music usely does.
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Post by Wildh2oskier »

In order to correctly understand this question about Jimmy you must step back and take a look at other longtime artist like say Van Halen or Willie Nelson just to name a couple. When people think of them they think of just a few hits over long careers but as with Jimmy the true fans love the filler songs on their disk just as well if not more. Over the years a persons views change, our taste change, and yes the ability appreciate music changes. My 3 year old daughter thinks the soundtracks to any Disney princess movie, my 15 year old is into the bastard child of really really bad Disco (what ever that crap is thats on top 40 radio these days.) and I listen more and more to.....well you get the point.
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Wildh2oskier wrote:... enjoy the fact that the roller coaster only makes you puke every now and then.
..............as does a good healthy Friday night out!
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pascagoula run wrote:I found JB in 85 I was trying to get next to this girl. She liked Bob Marley so I took her to a Buffett concert. I didn't get the girl but I found the sound track for the rest of my life. On that note when a new cd comes out it never fail I dont like most of it. Off To See The LizardFor example loved Pascagoula Run and Take Another Road.The rest not so much it goes in the car for those 2 songs then next thing I know I'm walking through the mall singing Carnival World to my self and Gravity Storm out loud when I fell leaving a bar one night. New cd's just have to find a place in my live. JB's music usely does.
I think this post nailed it.
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Have been listening to Buffett for a while, and while the two albums I had in the collection for the first 15 years were the Yellow Album and Volcano, in 2003 I went thru and built the collection (having had a couple dozen mp3s after Napster came along). The first two albums, s***. I don't and won't ever own those, and have to say that Beachhouse left me a bit cold (tho there are good songs there, that one is mostly filler to me), as did both Off to See the Lizard and Hot Water (more two-three nuggets and the rest soy).

Listened to the new album last weekend on the run from PNS to the Island House and it helped get in the mood for Stars. Something about going over Dolphin Pass, seeing the water from the top of the bridge w/ Jimmy playing just put it all in perspective.

Like others have said, tastes change over time, and the albums resonate differently at different times in your life.
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Every song can't be nautical or about getting drunk in paradise.
When I first really got into Buffett in 99 I was looking for a Margaritaville Part 2 so to speak and there really are a lot of them. But after that I got more into his other stuff.
Don't get me wrong, I never ever get tired of songs about boat, beaches and bars.
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RinglingRingling wrote:Have been listening to Buffett for a while, and while the two albums I had in the collection for the first 15 years were the Yellow Album and Volcano, in 2003 I went thru and built the collection (having had a couple dozen mp3s after Napster came along). The first two albums, s***. I don't and won't ever own those, and have to say that Beachhouse left me a bit cold (tho there are good songs there, that one is mostly filler to me), as did both Off to See the Lizard and Hot Water (more two-three nuggets and the rest soy).

Listened to the new album last weekend on the run from PNS to the Island House and it helped get in the mood for Stars. Something about going over Dolphin Pass, seeing the water from the top of the bridge w/ Jimmy playing just put it all in perspective.

Like others have said, tastes change over time, and the albums resonate differently at different times in your life.
The first two were Down To Earth & High Cumberland Jubilee. You can get Before the Beach which is basically those two combined with a song or two omitted. They lean more towards country than trop rock as they were produced prior to his going to Key West.
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ph4ever wrote:
RinglingRingling wrote:Have been listening to Buffett for a while, and while the two albums I had in the collection for the first 15 years were the Yellow Album and Volcano, in 2003 I went thru and built the collection (having had a couple dozen mp3s after Napster came along). The first two albums, s***. I don't and won't ever own those, and have to say that Beachhouse left me a bit cold (tho there are good songs there, that one is mostly filler to me), as did both Off to See the Lizard and Hot Water (more two-three nuggets and the rest soy).

Listened to the new album last weekend on the run from PNS to the Island House and it helped get in the mood for Stars. Something about going over Dolphin Pass, seeing the water from the top of the bridge w/ Jimmy playing just put it all in perspective.

Like others have said, tastes change over time, and the albums resonate differently at different times in your life.
The first two were Down To Earth & High Cumberland Jubilee. You can get Before the Beach which is basically those two combined with a song or two omitted. They lean more towards country than trop rock as they were produced prior to his going to Key West.
yep, and bad country at that. They could have "lost" the one master for a lot longer and the world wouldn't have been any worse for the absence.
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The first two albums have a folk/hippy sound to me.
The only song I like from them is "Livingston's Gone To Texas", mainly because of the extra verse.
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sonofabeach wrote:The first two albums have a folk/hippy sound to me.
The only song I like from them is "Livingston's Gone To Texas", mainly because of the extra verse.
Not to hijack the thread....
but do you realize that in some alternate universe those first two albums were well received and Jimmy never went tropical? :o :o :wink:
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Bicycle Bill wrote:
sonofabeach wrote:The first two albums have a folk/hippy sound to me.
The only song I like from them is "Livingston's Gone To Texas", mainly because of the extra verse.
Not to hijack the thread....
but do you realize that in some alternate universe those first two albums were well received and Jimmy never went tropical? :o :o :wink:
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