Royal Caribbean and Margaritaville

[lostshakerofsalt66]

Hello pholks.. Been absent a while.. I do have a question.. My wife and I are going on The Oasis of the Seas next year. We have been hearing many rumors that Royal Caribbean is putting a Margaritaville on both the Oasis and Allure.. Anyone heard of this? This would bring a whole new meaning to "Boat Drinks" if true.

Thanks
Dan

[capnbobby]

Hello pholks.. Been absent a while.. I do have a question.. My wife and I are going on The Oasis of the Seas next year. We have been hearing many rumors that Royal Caribbean is putting a Margaritaville on both the Oasis and Allure.. Anyone heard of this? This would bring a whole new meaning to "Boat Drinks" if true.

Thanks
Dan

Don't know. While I can understand why this might be exciting news for some, this would be one more example, for me, of the commercialization of "Margaritaville" and the cheapening of the song. There are some artists who resist compromising their artistic integrity for money, J.D. Salinger, for one. Unfortunately, in the latter part of his career, Buffett has failed miserably at that. I preferred "Margaritaville" when it was a state of mind. I don't care for it as a mediocre restaurant at an airport or on a cruise ship.

Cap'n Bobby

[lime rickie]

Tourists walking "in" the Beatles cover
Bruce and the Stone Pony
Target selling Jimi Hendrix and Grateful Dead tees for $9.99
Any given rocker whose music is the soft background of a car commercial
Scoring movies

It happens. Just stop already.

[Tiki Torches]

There are some artists who resist compromising their artistic integrity for money, J.D. Salinger, for one.

R.E.M. and Neil Young are a couple others. R.E.M. were offered millions to use one of their songs in Bill Gates' Microsoft campaign in 1995. They turned it down but the Stones (who've allowed their songs to be used in commercials as far back as the 60's) were only too happy to allow Microsoft to use "Start Me Up". Thing is, in this day and age when it's next to impossible for new artists to get airplay, some (like Alabama Shakes) have allowed their songs to be used in commercials just for the widespread exposure it lends them. In that regard, I've changed my stance on it somewhat but I still have the utmost respect for artists such as R.E.M. and Neil who have never allowed their songs to be used in commercials.

[catsway]

With or without, there will still be boat drinks aboad.

[capnbobby]

[quote="lime rickie"]Tourists walking "in" the Beatles cover
Bruce and the Stone Pony
Target selling Jimi Hendrix and Grateful Dead tees for $9.99
Any given rocker whose music is the soft background of a car commercial
Scoring movies

You seem to be making the argument that because materialism is a large part of American culture, it is acceptable; in other words, because Target sells Hendrix and Dead T-shirts, it is justifiable for Buffett to slap a patented brand name on every commodity he can get his hands on. It isn't. Greed in American culture is worthy of criticism. The old saying that he who dies with the most toys wins is (A) false and (B) contributory to the crisis of values in American culture. The commercialization of Christmas is worthy of criticism because it detracts from what is important about the holiday. The fact that it is the beginning of July and I've already seen a back to school commercial is worthy of criticism because it detracts from summer break. Like it or not, Jimmy Buffett is the Ronald McDonald of pop music. He has commercialized his art more than any other musician I can think of, and it saddens me. When he opens Margaritaville restaurants on cruise ships and at airports, it detracts from the song, arguably one of the great songs of the twentieth century. When he slaps one of his patented trademarks on every commodity that he can, it detracts from his integrity as an artist and as a person. (A few years ago, Buffett entered into an agreement with Stephen Ross to name the Miami Dolphins stadium Landshark Stadium. Buffett told Ross that he--Buffett--had a conflict of interest because he is a Saints fan. Ross said that he didn't have a problem with that. I wish Buffett had said, "Yes, but I do." As a Miami Dolphins fan, I felt very ripped off when I found this out.) When Buffett patents the name Coral Reefer so that he can slap it on humidors and cigar boxes he is detracting from the name and integrity of his band. The extent to which Buffett has commercialized his art has, in my opinion, detracted from the art that, in the 70s and 80s, drew many of us to him. It's an example of greed, and greed is worthy of criticism.

Cap'n Bobby

[lime rickie]

It's just not one of those things that bothers me. I even bought a Jerry Garcia tie for my dad back in the day.

[Dr.Corona]

QUICK! Can we merge this thread with the "WOW" thread before it gets out of control!

[lime rickie]

QUICK! Can we merge this thread with the "WOW" thread before it gets out of control!

[jbfinscj]

QUICK! Can we merge this thread with the "WOW" thread before it gets out of control!

Jimmy's gone commercial and is retiring?!?!?

[Tiki Torches]

Tourists walking "in" the Beatles cover
Bruce and the Stone Pony
Target selling Jimi Hendrix and Grateful Dead tees for $9.99
Any given rocker whose music is the soft background of a car commercial
Scoring movies

You seem to be making the argument that because materialism is a large part of American culture, it is acceptable; in other words, because Target sells Hendrix and Dead T-shirts, it is justifiable for Buffett to slap a patented brand name on every commodity he can get his hands on. It isn't. Greed in American culture is worthy of criticism. The old saying that he who dies with the most toys wins is (A) false and (B) contributory to the crisis of values in American culture. The commercialization of Christmas is worthy of criticism because it detracts from what is important about the holiday. The fact that it is the beginning of July and I've already seen a back to school commercial is worthy of criticism because it detracts from summer break. Like it or not, Jimmy Buffett is the Ronald McDonald of pop music. He has commercialized his art more than any other musician I can think of, and it saddens me. When he opens Margaritaville restaurants on cruise ships and at airports, it detracts from the song, arguably one of the great songs of the twentieth century. When he slaps one of his patented trademarks on every commodity that he can, it detracts from his integrity as an artist and as a person. (A few years ago, Buffett entered into an agreement with Stephen Ross to name the Miami Dolphins stadium Landshark Stadium. Buffett told Ross that he--Buffett--had a conflict of interest because he is a Saints fan. Ross said that he didn't have a problem with that. I wish Buffett had said, "Yes, but I do." As a Miami Dolphins fan, I felt very ripped off when I found this out.) When Buffett patents the name Coral Reefer so that he can slap it on humidors and cigar boxes he is detracting from the name and integrity of his band. The extent to which Buffett has commercialized his art has, in my opinion, detracted from the art that, in the 70s and 80s, drew many of us to him. It's an example of greed, and greed is worthy of criticism.

Cap'n Bobby

While I disagree about "Margaritaville" being one of the greatest songs of the 20th century (I love it but I don't rank it that high), I do agree with your observations. The commercialization of all things Buffett is indeed sad to see. By all means, please keep on speaking your mind and don't be discouraged by those that are ok with it. They will ridicule you, chastise you and even make attempts to have you banned from the site if necessary, all because you've dared to speak up.

[lime rickie]

I have never been on a cruise nor set foot in a Margaritaville. I just look at it as two businesses decided that their customer bases may overlap so they are apparently entering into some partnership. It bothers some folks and doesn't bother others.

No one ridiculed Cap'n or chastised him or attempted to have him banned from the site. Where do you come up with these dire predictions?

[Tiki Torches]

No one ridiculed Cap'n or chastised him or attempted to have him banned from the site. Where do you come up with these dire predictions?

Maybe you missed the responses to his posts in this thread. As for the "dire predictions", I'm just sharing my own personal experience on this site for having dared to speak up in the past. Some others have also voiced very similar opinions yet they haven't been subject to the same response.

[lime rickie]

No one ridiculed Cap'n or chastised him or attempted to have him banned from the site. Where do you come up with these dire predictions?

Maybe you missed the responses to his posts in this thread. As for the "dire predictions", I'm just sharing my own personal experience on this site for having dared to speak up in the past. Some others have also voiced very similar opinions yet they haven't been subject to the same response.

I haven't seen that. Most people seem open to fair discussion and criticism of Jimmy, his music, the show experience, set list, etc. You seem to get more attention about it because you don't limit your comments to criticism of Jimmy...you actively disparage other commenters and fans.

[Tiki Torches]

No one ridiculed Cap'n or chastised him or attempted to have him banned from the site. Where do you come up with these dire predictions?

Maybe you missed the responses to his posts in this thread. As for the "dire predictions", I'm just sharing my own personal experience on this site for having dared to speak up in the past. Some others have also voiced very similar opinions yet they haven't been subject to the same response.

I haven't seen that. Most people seem open to fair discussion and criticism of Jimmy, his music, the show experience, set list, etc. You seem to get more attention about it because you don't limit your comments to criticism of Jimmy...you actively disparage other commenters and fans.

Perhaps you have blinders on and/or have actively made a decision to ignore the responses to capn bobby's post in this and other threads where he and others have posted similar comments. As for "actively" disparaging other "commenters and fans", I have spoken out against others but only when they've taken me to task for daring to voice my own opinion. Some have assigned infallible status to Buffett's music and business interests. I'm not one of them.

[lime rickie]

I don't have blinders on, just an observation. Like I said, I've simply not seen that on this board. I see, and have participated in, threads about too many covers or songs we don't need to hear anymore, merchandising (Margaritaville Depends, coming soon!) and the like. Plenty of healthy debate and discussion...when it is confined to Jimmy. Have never seen anyone claim Jimmy's music and business are above criticism.

[Tiki Torches]

Have never seen anyone claim Jimmy's music and business are above criticism.

I have. LOTS.

As for not having blinders on, how could you have missed the posts earlier this thread that took cap'n bobby to task for daring to speak his mind by making light of his post?

[jbfinscj]

Would somebody please answer my question, is jimmy retiring to shoot commercials on cruise ships or not.

[Tiki Torches]

Would somebody please answer my question, is jimmy retiring to shoot commercials on cruise ships or not.

Maybe that will make it into the return of the BN Critters comic strip, the level of humor is just lame enough to fit in perfectly.

[jbfinscj]

Would somebody please answer my question, is jimmy retiring to shoot commercials on cruise ships or not.

Maybe that will make it into the return of the BN Critters comic strip, the level of humor is just lame enough to fit in perfectly.

It is, I assure you, the BN Critters are much funnier. My level of humor is way more lame then that. If your interested, you can purchase a copy of the surfpirates book at this link here:
http://www.amazon.com/The-BN-Critters-C ... N+critters.

It makes for great reading on a crusie ship.....ENJOY!