Jokelben update 10-26-2017
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Jokelben update 10-26-2017
As most of the regular users of Buffettnews are no doubt there have been issues involving the Jokelben server over the last 8 weeks. So am taking this opportunity to update everyone as to where everything stands and what has transpired in order to make every thing as transparent and understandable as possible for everyone.
Before I go into the details of the events, everyone should know that no content as has been lost from the jokelben sever and the server is intact and functional, although it is off line for the moment and I will explain the reason for that a little further down in this message. I am also going to quote a comment from an earlier message on this subject and that comment is as follows:
"Neither myself, Sunlover, or Coasterghost profit in any way financially from our efforts in making Buffett concert recordings available. For that matter, Jimmy Buffett himself offers both the audio and video broadcasts of his concert free to his fans and he himself does not profit from doing this."
Now for a chronological run down of the events regarding the jokelben sever:
On August 29, 2017 I was doing a little Ebay searching for some Jimmy LP's to add to my own personal Buffett music collection when I discovered that there were two concert DVD's for sale on eBay. One of the DVD's was the 2016 Chicago Show which is being sold for 29.99 and the other was a DVD/CD set of the 2017 Tampa Show which which was selling for close to $40. Both DVD's were home burned DVD-R's not not regular retail DVD's. The existence of these two items in Ebay raised concern with me as to the source of both the audio and video for both offerings.
At the time I found the listings on Ebay, the Jokelben server at pCloud was open to all simply by clicking the link to it that Sunlover made available. As such I was concerned enough about the Ebay listings to send Sunlover a PM through BuffettNews. Sunlover responded back to me that he was quite concerned that concert recordings on Jokelben were being sold on Ebay. Sunlover did his own investigating of the 2 items I found on Ebay at that point and I posted an important message to the users here on Buffettnews and over on BW regarding the fact that content posted to jokelben was posted for anyone to profit from. My message was posted on August 30, 2017 and can be read here:
http://www.buffettnews.com/forum/viewto ... 29&t=97147
After I posted my message I discovered two more DVD's one of Jimmy's 1983 appearance on Austin City Limits and a DVD of Live by the Bay which is has only been officially released on VHS and Laser disc. However sometime ago Sunlover made a DVD version for download available on Jokelben.
The listing of the both the ACL show DVD and the Live by the Bay DVD elevated the concern that jokelben content was being sold on Ebay. These two eBay listings were found on September 1, 2017 and they only served to elevate the level of concern for myself and Sunlover. At this point we both began monitoring Ebay listings very very closely looking for others that might indicate the content from the Jokelben server was being used for profit.
For almost just over two weeks there were no new DVD's or Concert CD's listed and we thought the worst was over or at least the Jokelben server was safe and that is when things became much more serious.
On Sunday morning September 17 I was doing my daily check of Ebay when I came across a listing for link to "over 200 shows, sound board quality" the description of the link went on to include information indicating that the available shows were from 1974-2017 right up through the 2017 Mansfield show which to that point was the last live show Jimmy had played in 2017. The description also indicated that Christmas music was also available via the offered link. This listing sound to me to be a pretty accurate description of the full jokelben server so I immediately PM'd Sunlover who in turn immediately locked down the sever by making it password protected.
On Monday September 18 I received a PM from brand new member of BN asking about the server and how long it would be down the new user of BN had joined the sight only 1 hour before he PM'd me. I passed this info along to Sunlover and we were both suspicious of the timing of the message coming from a brand new BN user after the jokelben server was locked down. Sunlover kept the server locked down from September 17 to September 23 the day the Ebay item expired. Throughout that week the new BN user kept asking about the server being locked down and Sunlover and I kept quiet.
Sunlover unlocked the Jokelben server on Sunday September 24 with a new portal page for the site that would provide users with the password to the server. On Monday September 25, The aforementioned Ebay listing offering 200 show etc reappeared and Sunlover took the server off line temporarily and the Ebay listing was ended by the seller. The was a fairly clear indication that the link being offered on Ebay was to the Jokelben sever and possibly Sunlover's own FTP server as well which raised an additional alarm about all of this. Sunlover locked down Jokelben again and again the Ebay item was ended by the seller
Sunlover posted a message about the new portal page for the jokelben server which can be read here:
http://www.buffettnews.com/forum/viewto ... 29&t=97244
During the same week week Sunlover and I were dealing with this second listing for the "link to 200 shows" Radio Margaritaville broadcast Jimmy's September 23 show from Paris France. Sunlover recorded this show and uploaded to the server and posted links to here on BN.
On September 28 we discovered that Ebay seller had started selling his link again which was odd as jokelben was still locked down. So Sunlover played a hunch and took his FTP server,known as cuebas, off line. The eBay seller immediately shut down his listing again and Sunlover was stunned that the seller was now offering links to both Jokelben at pCloud and the separate FTP server.
Things seemed to settle down for awhile after that as Sunlover kept Jokelben and the FTP server locked down. Until Jimmy's show in Vancouver on October 13th. Sunlover recorded this show and posted it to his FTP server only then reopened the FTP server to allow downloads. 3 hours after Sunlover uploaded the Vancouver show to the FTP server, there was a new item on Ebay offering a link to Jimmy Buffett shows. Sunlover responded to this new item by again taking the FTP server off line and this Ebay was ended Sunlover reactivated Jokelben keeping the password protection intact on October 17
As soon as Sunlover did this there was another listing on Ebay for a "link to 200 shows" this time with a slightly different description that stated the link had both the recent Paris and Vancouver shows now available. Sunlover had uploaded both shows to the Jokelben server by this point which was just more confirmation that the Ebay seller was selling access to the jokelben server. Again Sunlover locked down Jokelben and again the Ebay item was ended by the seller.
Since that point there have been 3 new users of BN all asking about the server and when it will be back online. So last night as a test Sunlover brought Jokelben back online by announcing it here in the BN concert trading forum including the current password for the server and shortly there after the Ebay seller had his "link to 200 shows" back up and running. As result Sunlover has again locked down the server and again the Ebay item was again shutdown. This makes a total of at least 5 times access to the Jokelben server or Sunlover's FTP server has been offered for sale on Ebay and Both of us find this situation to be infuriating to say the least.
Again I will reiterate that the contents of the jokelben server are fully intact with the exception of the last 3 west coast shows and the concert videos from that tour leg which are recorded but not yet uploaded to either the FTP server or Jokelben at pCloud. Sunlover is working on new portal page or possibly a registration system for the server.
I apologize for the length of this post but the situation has been ongoing and I wanted everyone to know all of the details and what has been behind the current ups and downs with the jokelben server. I would also like to take a brief opportunity to thank a few BN users who have reached out with support and offers of help during all this including Bucarader, SeattleParrotHead, TommyBahama, Finsup6835, Dr. Corona, Martyritaville, tailgatingph, cm22lmr, SharkysMV1, and a special thanks to the board moderators for putting up with all of the discussions about this issue on multiple threads.
Also thanks for everyone's patience during this and of course Fins UP
Before I go into the details of the events, everyone should know that no content as has been lost from the jokelben sever and the server is intact and functional, although it is off line for the moment and I will explain the reason for that a little further down in this message. I am also going to quote a comment from an earlier message on this subject and that comment is as follows:
"Neither myself, Sunlover, or Coasterghost profit in any way financially from our efforts in making Buffett concert recordings available. For that matter, Jimmy Buffett himself offers both the audio and video broadcasts of his concert free to his fans and he himself does not profit from doing this."
Now for a chronological run down of the events regarding the jokelben sever:
On August 29, 2017 I was doing a little Ebay searching for some Jimmy LP's to add to my own personal Buffett music collection when I discovered that there were two concert DVD's for sale on eBay. One of the DVD's was the 2016 Chicago Show which is being sold for 29.99 and the other was a DVD/CD set of the 2017 Tampa Show which which was selling for close to $40. Both DVD's were home burned DVD-R's not not regular retail DVD's. The existence of these two items in Ebay raised concern with me as to the source of both the audio and video for both offerings.
At the time I found the listings on Ebay, the Jokelben server at pCloud was open to all simply by clicking the link to it that Sunlover made available. As such I was concerned enough about the Ebay listings to send Sunlover a PM through BuffettNews. Sunlover responded back to me that he was quite concerned that concert recordings on Jokelben were being sold on Ebay. Sunlover did his own investigating of the 2 items I found on Ebay at that point and I posted an important message to the users here on Buffettnews and over on BW regarding the fact that content posted to jokelben was posted for anyone to profit from. My message was posted on August 30, 2017 and can be read here:
http://www.buffettnews.com/forum/viewto ... 29&t=97147
After I posted my message I discovered two more DVD's one of Jimmy's 1983 appearance on Austin City Limits and a DVD of Live by the Bay which is has only been officially released on VHS and Laser disc. However sometime ago Sunlover made a DVD version for download available on Jokelben.
The listing of the both the ACL show DVD and the Live by the Bay DVD elevated the concern that jokelben content was being sold on Ebay. These two eBay listings were found on September 1, 2017 and they only served to elevate the level of concern for myself and Sunlover. At this point we both began monitoring Ebay listings very very closely looking for others that might indicate the content from the Jokelben server was being used for profit.
For almost just over two weeks there were no new DVD's or Concert CD's listed and we thought the worst was over or at least the Jokelben server was safe and that is when things became much more serious.
On Sunday morning September 17 I was doing my daily check of Ebay when I came across a listing for link to "over 200 shows, sound board quality" the description of the link went on to include information indicating that the available shows were from 1974-2017 right up through the 2017 Mansfield show which to that point was the last live show Jimmy had played in 2017. The description also indicated that Christmas music was also available via the offered link. This listing sound to me to be a pretty accurate description of the full jokelben server so I immediately PM'd Sunlover who in turn immediately locked down the sever by making it password protected.
On Monday September 18 I received a PM from brand new member of BN asking about the server and how long it would be down the new user of BN had joined the sight only 1 hour before he PM'd me. I passed this info along to Sunlover and we were both suspicious of the timing of the message coming from a brand new BN user after the jokelben server was locked down. Sunlover kept the server locked down from September 17 to September 23 the day the Ebay item expired. Throughout that week the new BN user kept asking about the server being locked down and Sunlover and I kept quiet.
Sunlover unlocked the Jokelben server on Sunday September 24 with a new portal page for the site that would provide users with the password to the server. On Monday September 25, The aforementioned Ebay listing offering 200 show etc reappeared and Sunlover took the server off line temporarily and the Ebay listing was ended by the seller. The was a fairly clear indication that the link being offered on Ebay was to the Jokelben sever and possibly Sunlover's own FTP server as well which raised an additional alarm about all of this. Sunlover locked down Jokelben again and again the Ebay item was ended by the seller
Sunlover posted a message about the new portal page for the jokelben server which can be read here:
http://www.buffettnews.com/forum/viewto ... 29&t=97244
During the same week week Sunlover and I were dealing with this second listing for the "link to 200 shows" Radio Margaritaville broadcast Jimmy's September 23 show from Paris France. Sunlover recorded this show and uploaded to the server and posted links to here on BN.
On September 28 we discovered that Ebay seller had started selling his link again which was odd as jokelben was still locked down. So Sunlover played a hunch and took his FTP server,known as cuebas, off line. The eBay seller immediately shut down his listing again and Sunlover was stunned that the seller was now offering links to both Jokelben at pCloud and the separate FTP server.
Things seemed to settle down for awhile after that as Sunlover kept Jokelben and the FTP server locked down. Until Jimmy's show in Vancouver on October 13th. Sunlover recorded this show and posted it to his FTP server only then reopened the FTP server to allow downloads. 3 hours after Sunlover uploaded the Vancouver show to the FTP server, there was a new item on Ebay offering a link to Jimmy Buffett shows. Sunlover responded to this new item by again taking the FTP server off line and this Ebay was ended Sunlover reactivated Jokelben keeping the password protection intact on October 17
As soon as Sunlover did this there was another listing on Ebay for a "link to 200 shows" this time with a slightly different description that stated the link had both the recent Paris and Vancouver shows now available. Sunlover had uploaded both shows to the Jokelben server by this point which was just more confirmation that the Ebay seller was selling access to the jokelben server. Again Sunlover locked down Jokelben and again the Ebay item was ended by the seller.
Since that point there have been 3 new users of BN all asking about the server and when it will be back online. So last night as a test Sunlover brought Jokelben back online by announcing it here in the BN concert trading forum including the current password for the server and shortly there after the Ebay seller had his "link to 200 shows" back up and running. As result Sunlover has again locked down the server and again the Ebay item was again shutdown. This makes a total of at least 5 times access to the Jokelben server or Sunlover's FTP server has been offered for sale on Ebay and Both of us find this situation to be infuriating to say the least.
Again I will reiterate that the contents of the jokelben server are fully intact with the exception of the last 3 west coast shows and the concert videos from that tour leg which are recorded but not yet uploaded to either the FTP server or Jokelben at pCloud. Sunlover is working on new portal page or possibly a registration system for the server.
I apologize for the length of this post but the situation has been ongoing and I wanted everyone to know all of the details and what has been behind the current ups and downs with the jokelben server. I would also like to take a brief opportunity to thank a few BN users who have reached out with support and offers of help during all this including Bucarader, SeattleParrotHead, TommyBahama, Finsup6835, Dr. Corona, Martyritaville, tailgatingph, cm22lmr, SharkysMV1, and a special thanks to the board moderators for putting up with all of the discussions about this issue on multiple threads.
Also thanks for everyone's patience during this and of course Fins UP
Last edited by urlcenter on October 27, 2017 4:30 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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Re: Jokelben update 10-26-2017
ALSO keep an eye on ioffee as well
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Re: Jokelben update 10-26-2017
Just found this one on ebay
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Re: Jokelben update 10-26-2017
I just saw the Sausalito CD last night and was going to mention it. Judging by his sellers profile. He is pretty much a turd. Thanks for all the hard work on this. I enjoyed going back to the mid 80's show and listening to what I was to drunk to remember up on the lawn at Pine Knob. Fins Up Pirate Rick
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Re: Jokelben update 10-26-2017
So for those of us not trying to profit what do we do?
Re: Jokelben update 10-26-2017
That CD is put out by European Bootleg CD company called Hotspur, there have several commercial bootlegs of Jimmy Buffett shows released over the years including "Cocktails at Sunrise", "Wireless - Sag Harbour 1999", "Bay Street - Sag Harbour 1999" and "Jimmy Buffett Live at the Record Plant 1974"araymond28 wrote: ↑October 27, 2017 12:47 am Just found this one on ebay Screenshot_2017-10-26-23-45-35.png
"Jimmy Buffett - Live at the Record Plant 1974" was released by a UK company called "Cellar Dweller Records" back in 2008. These European bootlegs show up in US music stores and on sites like Ebay as "Import" CD's. Given that it is impossible to trace these import bootlegs and that they are commercially packaged including UPC codes I personally don't consider them as much of an issue as some of the other items that have recently shown up on Ebay.
Re: Jokelben update 10-26-2017
You just have to be patient with Sunlover as he working on a new front page system for the Jokelben server, he and communicated via PM's yesterday and he is working on things as fast as he can.
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Re: Jokelben update 10-26-2017
It really sucks that you folks are having to deal with crap like this. Your efforts are appreciated.
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We do really appreciate all you do .
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Re: Jokelben update 10-26-2017
As one who has downloaded, and also contributed many shows over the years, i just wanted to take the time to say I appreciate all the safeguards that are trying to be put in place, and wanted to let SunLover and coasterghost, urlcenter, and everyone else involved know that we understand everything that is going on, and we have plenty of patience until things get back as they should.
In the meantime, if anyone from BuffettNews needs an old show, give me a PM and I'd be happy to help out. I'm pretty sure I have just about every show on Jokelben in my collection.
In the meantime, if anyone from BuffettNews needs an old show, give me a PM and I'd be happy to help out. I'm pretty sure I have just about every show on Jokelben in my collection.
Re: Jokelben update 10-26-2017
Thanks ChzHeadParrothead as I said in my original post nothing has been lost from the server the only things not yet uploaded are October 15, 2017 – Eugene OR show and the October 21, 2017 – Chula Vista, CA shows (The 10/19 San Francisco show was not streamed for some reason?).ChzHeadParrothead wrote: ↑October 27, 2017 3:33 pm As one who has downloaded, and also contributed many shows over the years, i just wanted to take the time to say I appreciate all the safeguards that are trying to be put in place, and wanted to let SunLover and coasterghost, urlcenter, and everyone else involved know that we understand everything that is going on, and we have plenty of patience until things get back as they should.
In the meantime, if anyone from BuffettNews needs an old show, give me a PM and I'd be happy to help out. I'm pretty sure I have just about every show on Jokelben in my collection.
Sunlover recorded both the RM and Margaritaville TV broadcasts for both the 10/15 Eugene OR Show and the 10/21 Chula Vista show he just has not put them on either the FTP or jokelben servers yet due to the Ebay issue.
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Chzparrothd I washould looking for one concert if you have it pleaae
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Is it possible to make eBay aware of these assholes doing this?
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Wow, I know this is late and all, but I just read all of this. Heartbreaking. Geuniunely sorry for you guys that someone is being a total jerk with your hard work. As a fan super interested in older live shows but with no access to them (at least that I'm aware of), I'd like to beg whoever is doing this to stop.
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Re: Jokelben update 10-26-2017
PeoriaTom wrote: ↑February 12, 2018 5:18 pm Wow, I know this is late and all, but I just read all of this. Heartbreaking. Geuniunely sorry for you guys that someone is being a total jerk with your hard work. As a fan super interested in older live shows but with no access to them (at least that I'm aware of), I'd like to beg whoever is doing this to stop.
Tom, look here. http://www.buffettnews.com/forum/viewto ... 29&t=97244
You can now access the concerts, but you have to set up an account first. No big deal, just a few extra mouse clicks. Follow the instructions on that link. And, I assume that this did stop the people who were trying to profit because since URL and Sunlover did this, to my knowledge, they have not taken it back down like they were having to do when eBay auctions were popping up.
Re: Jokelben update 10-26-2017
Tom everything has been straightened out Jokelben has new home all of the concerts are available for downloading.PeoriaTom wrote: ↑February 12, 2018 5:18 pm Wow, I know this is late and all, but I just read all of this. Heartbreaking. Geuniunely sorry for you guys that someone is being a total jerk with your hard work. As a fan super interested in older live shows but with no access to them (at least that I'm aware of), I'd like to beg whoever is doing this to stop.