drunkpirate66 wrote:More and more I think about it:
The best K/BB ratio ever . . . and the best modern day post season wins and ERA . . . with 3,000 K's and 200 wins (new modern standard . . . 300 wins is a thing of the past and I doubt anyone starting in the past few years will hit 250 either) should do it. Schilling gets in. Peter Gammons said he would vote for Curt first ballot. Gammons is like a trend setter . . .
After RJ gets his 300th this season then 300 wins will be a thing of the past BUT Schilling's played just about his whole career with pitchers who did get 300 wins, Maddux, Clemens, Glavin and soon-to-be RJ so 300 wins were not a thing of the past while he was playing.
Whether he gets in or doesn't get in I don't think it will be a injustice either way. You can make a strong case for both sides.
But the HOF monitor (http://www.baseball-reference.com/leade ... itor.shtml
) has Schilling as a slam dunk HOFer and they are pretty spot on with every other player. They rate him at 171, every pitcher on their list from the modern era that is eligible for the HOF with a rating over 137 is in.
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Boston media is reporting that some fairly major offers have come in for Clay Buccholtz in the past couple weeks. Buccholtz has a 0.46 Spring Training ERA and, according to Peter Gammons and Baseball America could be the number 1 starter on 8 MLB teams (some sources would argue more than 10). With practically every MLB team lacking a 4 and 5 starter the Red Sox, who literally have 7 when Smoltz comes back in May, could move Buccoltz for a high caliber player. Jarrod Saltalamacchia has been ruled out for now. Talk about the haves versus the have nots.
You can never have too much pitching but if a kid like Buccholtz is going to start in the minors with Justin Masterson moved to the bull pen, with Danial Bard (100 MPH) and Michael Bowden also waiting in the minors, with Becket, Lester, Dice, Wake, Penny . . . slated for your rotation . . . if the offer is good I would think the Sox would move him.
the hit and run is as good as any religion around this time of year . . .
drunkpirate66 wrote:Boston media is reporting that some fairly major offers have come in for Clay Buccholtz in the past couple weeks. Buccholtz has a 0.46 Spring Training ERA and, according to Peter Gammons and Baseball America could be the number 1 starter on 8 MLB teams (some sources would argue more than 10). With practically every MLB team lacking a 4 and 5 starter the Red Sox, who literally have 7 when Smoltz comes back in May, could move Buccoltz for a high caliber player. Jarrod Saltalamacchia has been ruled out for now. Talk about the haves versus the have nots.
You can never have too much pitching but if a kid like Buccholtz is going to start in the minors with Justin Masterson moved to the bull pen, with Danial Bard (100 MPH) and Michael Bowden also waiting in the minors, with Becket, Lester, Dice, Wake, Penny . . . slated for your rotation . . . if the offer is good I would think the Sox would move him.
The offer better be damn good. You can never have enough pitching. Penny and Smoltz have both had significant injury problems in the past few years. Beckett's probably going to be good for a stint on the DL at some point this season if history is any indicator. Wakefield is old. I don't think it's time to give up on a young talented pitcher like Clay so soon, at least not until it becomes clear during the season what the Red Sox will need to make a run into October.
Sometimes more than others,
we see who and what and where we are,
I'm just a one man band,
With my feet in the sand,
Tonight I just need my guitar
drunkpirate66 wrote:Boston media is reporting that some fairly major offers have come in for Clay Buccholtz in the past couple weeks. Buccholtz has a 0.46 Spring Training ERA and, according to Peter Gammons and Baseball America could be the number 1 starter on 8 MLB teams (some sources would argue more than 10). With practically every MLB team lacking a 4 and 5 starter the Red Sox, who literally have 7 when Smoltz comes back in May, could move Buccoltz for a high caliber player. Jarrod Saltalamacchia has been ruled out for now. Talk about the haves versus the have nots.
You can never have too much pitching but if a kid like Buccholtz is going to start in the minors with Justin Masterson moved to the bull pen, with Danial Bard (100 MPH) and Michael Bowden also waiting in the minors, with Becket, Lester, Dice, Wake, Penny . . . slated for your rotation . . . if the offer is good I would think the Sox would move him.
The offer better be damn good. You can never have enough pitching. Penny and Smoltz have both had significant injury problems in the past few years. Beckett's probably going to be good for a stint on the DL at some point this season if history is any indicator. Wakefield is old. I don't think it's time to give up on a young talented pitcher like Clay so soon, at least not until it becomes clear during the season what the Red Sox will need to make a run into October.
I agree....even if they don't need him this year, they will next. Smoltz, Wakefield and Penny are probably in their last years, and Beckett hasn't proven that he is the ace he was.
You can NEVER have enough pitching.
drunkpirate66 wrote:Boston media is reporting that some fairly major offers have come in for Clay Buccholtz in the past couple weeks. Buccholtz has a 0.46 Spring Training ERA and, according to Peter Gammons and Baseball America could be the number 1 starter on 8 MLB teams (some sources would argue more than 10). With practically every MLB team lacking a 4 and 5 starter the Red Sox, who literally have 7 when Smoltz comes back in May, could move Buccoltz for a high caliber player. Jarrod Saltalamacchia has been ruled out for now. Talk about the haves versus the have nots.
You can never have too much pitching but if a kid like Buccholtz is going to start in the minors with Justin Masterson moved to the bull pen, with Danial Bard (100 MPH) and Michael Bowden also waiting in the minors, with Becket, Lester, Dice, Wake, Penny . . . slated for your rotation . . . if the offer is good I would think the Sox would move him.
The offer better be damn good. You can never have enough pitching. Penny and Smoltz have both had significant injury problems in the past few years. Beckett's probably going to be good for a stint on the DL at some point this season if history is any indicator. Wakefield is old. I don't think it's time to give up on a young talented pitcher like Clay so soon, at least not until it becomes clear during the season what the Red Sox will need to make a run into October.
I agree....even if they don't need him this year, they will next. Smoltz, Wakefield and Penny are probably in their last years, and Beckett hasn't proven that he is the ace he was.
You can NEVER have enough pitching.
Hell, after all the injuries the Yankees starting pitching staff endured, I don't think CC, Burnett, Wang, Pettitte, Joba, Hughes, Aceves, Kennedy (and Tomko I think?) is enough.
Sometimes more than others,
we see who and what and where we are,
I'm just a one man band,
With my feet in the sand,
Tonight I just need my guitar
drunkpirate66 wrote:Boston media is reporting that some fairly major offers have come in for Clay Buccholtz in the past couple weeks. Buccholtz has a 0.46 Spring Training ERA and, according to Peter Gammons and Baseball America could be the number 1 starter on 8 MLB teams (some sources would argue more than 10). With practically every MLB team lacking a 4 and 5 starter the Red Sox, who literally have 7 when Smoltz comes back in May, could move Buccoltz for a high caliber player. Jarrod Saltalamacchia has been ruled out for now. Talk about the haves versus the have nots.
You can never have too much pitching but if a kid like Buccholtz is going to start in the minors with Justin Masterson moved to the bull pen, with Danial Bard (100 MPH) and Michael Bowden also waiting in the minors, with Becket, Lester, Dice, Wake, Penny . . . slated for your rotation . . . if the offer is good I would think the Sox would move him.
The offer better be damn good. You can never have enough pitching. Penny and Smoltz have both had significant injury problems in the past few years. Beckett's probably going to be good for a stint on the DL at some point this season if history is any indicator. Wakefield is old. I don't think it's time to give up on a young talented pitcher like Clay so soon, at least not until it becomes clear during the season what the Red Sox will need to make a run into October.
I agree....even if they don't need him this year, they will next. Smoltz, Wakefield and Penny are probably in their last years, and Beckett hasn't proven that he is the ace he was.
You can NEVER have enough pitching.
"Having too much pitching" is the oldest and probably the most accurate cliche' in baseball. But that is not the question. This is not like the Bronson Arroyo for Willy Mo sh*t deal that just didn't matter (despite Bronson's amazing numbers because pitching in the NL Central is not quite as hard as pitching in the AL East ). The question is because Clay Buccholtz is projected to be (Baseball America, Peter Gammons) a Number 1 Starter on atleast 8 MLB teams what is he worth? The Red Sox think Hanley Ramirez level which, of course, was shut down. A number 1 starter could warrant an MVP level player. Buccholtz is also cheap; and is cheap for the next two seasons. Buccholtz is also a head case. The Red Sox might be wise to try to move him . . . and with the young age of Becket, Dice, Lester and minor leaguers projected to be number 2 starters like Bard and Bowden . . . AND with Justin Masterson who could be a number 2 starter right now the Sox have plenty of security for the next 5 + years in their rotation . . . if not more. That is some amazing Minor League development.
the hit and run is as good as any religion around this time of year . . .
drunkpirate66 wrote:Boston media is reporting that some fairly major offers have come in for Clay Buccholtz in the past couple weeks. Buccholtz has a 0.46 Spring Training ERA and, according to Peter Gammons and Baseball America could be the number 1 starter on 8 MLB teams (some sources would argue more than 10). With practically every MLB team lacking a 4 and 5 starter the Red Sox, who literally have 7 when Smoltz comes back in May, could move Buccoltz for a high caliber player. Jarrod Saltalamacchia has been ruled out for now. Talk about the haves versus the have nots.
You can never have too much pitching but if a kid like Buccholtz is going to start in the minors with Justin Masterson moved to the bull pen, with Danial Bard (100 MPH) and Michael Bowden also waiting in the minors, with Becket, Lester, Dice, Wake, Penny . . . slated for your rotation . . . if the offer is good I would think the Sox would move him.
The offer better be damn good. You can never have enough pitching. Penny and Smoltz have both had significant injury problems in the past few years. Beckett's probably going to be good for a stint on the DL at some point this season if history is any indicator. Wakefield is old. I don't think it's time to give up on a young talented pitcher like Clay so soon, at least not until it becomes clear during the season what the Red Sox will need to make a run into October.
I agree....even if they don't need him this year, they will next. Smoltz, Wakefield and Penny are probably in their last years, and Beckett hasn't proven that he is the ace he was.
You can NEVER have enough pitching.
"Having too much pitching" is the oldest and probably the most accurate cliche' in baseball. But that is not the question. This is not like the Bronson Arroyo for Willy Mo sh*t deal that just didn't matter (despite Bronson's amazing numbers because pitching in the NL Central is not quite as hard as pitching in the AL East ). The question is because Clay Buccholtz is projected to be (Baseball America, Peter Gammons) a Number 1 Starter on atleast 8 MLB teams what is he worth? The Red Sox think Hanley Ramirez level which, of course, was shut down. A number 1 starter could warrant an MVP level player. Buccholtz is also cheap; and is cheap for the next two seasons. Buccholtz is also a head case. The Red Sox might be wise to try to move him . . . and with the young age of Becket, Dice, Lester and minor leaguers projected to be number 2 starters like Bard and Bowden . . . AND with Justin Masterson who could be a number 2 starter right now the Sox have plenty of security for the next 5 + years in their rotation . . . if not more. That is some amazing Minor League development.
Clay Buccholtz won't be traded, they project him as their #4 starter next season behind Beckett, Lester and DiceK, they would have to be overwhelmed with an offer to trade him right now. Justin Masterson is not ready to be a starting pitcher, he still has problems getting lefties out on a regular basis. If anyone gets traded they are more likely to trade Michael Bowden and they project Daniel Bard as a relief pitch and that is how he is being used. The Red Sox don't have a ton of faith in Papplebon's long term health or his long term contract demands so they are looking at Bard as the closer of the future. Bard's last 67 appearances starting in 2007 in the minor leagues have all been out of the bullpen, his era in the last 2 season has been below 2.00.
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drunkpirate66 wrote:Boston media is reporting that some fairly major offers have come in for Clay Buccholtz in the past couple weeks. Buccholtz has a 0.46 Spring Training ERA and, according to Peter Gammons and Baseball America could be the number 1 starter on 8 MLB teams (some sources would argue more than 10). With practically every MLB team lacking a 4 and 5 starter the Red Sox, who literally have 7 when Smoltz comes back in May, could move Buccoltz for a high caliber player. Jarrod Saltalamacchia has been ruled out for now. Talk about the haves versus the have nots.
You can never have too much pitching but if a kid like Buccholtz is going to start in the minors with Justin Masterson moved to the bull pen, with Danial Bard (100 MPH) and Michael Bowden also waiting in the minors, with Becket, Lester, Dice, Wake, Penny . . . slated for your rotation . . . if the offer is good I would think the Sox would move him.
The offer better be damn good. You can never have enough pitching. Penny and Smoltz have both had significant injury problems in the past few years. Beckett's probably going to be good for a stint on the DL at some point this season if history is any indicator. Wakefield is old. I don't think it's time to give up on a young talented pitcher like Clay so soon, at least not until it becomes clear during the season what the Red Sox will need to make a run into October.
I agree....even if they don't need him this year, they will next. Smoltz, Wakefield and Penny are probably in their last years, and Beckett hasn't proven that he is the ace he was.
You can NEVER have enough pitching.
"Having too much pitching" is the oldest and probably the most accurate cliche' in baseball. But that is not the question.
You mean it's not "the home run is the most important play in all of sports"?
Sometimes more than others,
we see who and what and where we are,
I'm just a one man band,
With my feet in the sand,
Tonight I just need my guitar
drunkpirate66 wrote:Boston media is reporting that some fairly major offers have come in for Clay Buccholtz in the past couple weeks. Buccholtz has a 0.46 Spring Training ERA and, according to Peter Gammons and Baseball America could be the number 1 starter on 8 MLB teams (some sources would argue more than 10). With practically every MLB team lacking a 4 and 5 starter the Red Sox, who literally have 7 when Smoltz comes back in May, could move Buccoltz for a high caliber player. Jarrod Saltalamacchia has been ruled out for now. Talk about the haves versus the have nots.
You can never have too much pitching but if a kid like Buccholtz is going to start in the minors with Justin Masterson moved to the bull pen, with Danial Bard (100 MPH) and Michael Bowden also waiting in the minors, with Becket, Lester, Dice, Wake, Penny . . . slated for your rotation . . . if the offer is good I would think the Sox would move him.
The offer better be damn good. You can never have enough pitching. Penny and Smoltz have both had significant injury problems in the past few years. Beckett's probably going to be good for a stint on the DL at some point this season if history is any indicator. Wakefield is old. I don't think it's time to give up on a young talented pitcher like Clay so soon, at least not until it becomes clear during the season what the Red Sox will need to make a run into October.
I agree....even if they don't need him this year, they will next. Smoltz, Wakefield and Penny are probably in their last years, and Beckett hasn't proven that he is the ace he was.
You can NEVER have enough pitching.
"Having too much pitching" is the oldest and probably the most accurate cliche' in baseball. But that is not the question.
You mean it's not "the home run is the most important play in all of sports"?
Especially when your Home run total added to your RBI total is still less than your Strikeout total. Yeah. Then its wicked valuable.
the hit and run is as good as any religion around this time of year . . .
I have watched Steven Strassburg pitch from HS (West Hills HS, Santee, CA) into college (SDSU). He will be the #1 draft pick and is being touted as the "best Amatuer EVER!?". Funny that in HS the school I coach at beat him up, but Tony Gwynn's staff has turned him into a 100mph monster. I have heard that Scott Boras will be his agent and that $50 Mil is the neighborhood they will be seeking. The Grossmont HS baseball conference is a small one. News travels fast. There is another Grossmont Conference kid looking like a high draft pick. Santana (Santee, CA) HS's James Needy is throwing very well. We at Steele Canyon HS have a senior (Andrew Bellatti) that could be a 1st round pick, he already has a full ride to Cal ST-Fullerton. He is throwing 89 - 95 and a 3-1 K to BB ratio. Twins have been out 4 times to watch him. Just hope he remembers his JV coach when he hits the bigs.
HS baseball in San Diego county this year might be as deep as ever.
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Just got back from sunny FLA and a couple of Phillies spring training games (both against the Yankees , won 1 lost 1). I can't believe I waited this long to go down for spring training. I could do this every year. You can't get any closer to the field and see good baseball. Especially near the end of spring training when the regulars start playing 6-7 innings.
rumdrinks wrote:Just got back from sunny FLA and a couple of Phillies spring training games (both against the Yankees , won 1 lost 1). I can't believe I waited this long to go down for spring training. I could do this every year. You can't get any closer to the field and see good baseball. Especially near the end of spring training when the regulars start playing 6-7 innings.
My sisters were there as well, they spent some time at the tiki bar.
I can't wait for meaningful baseball games starting sunday. I'll be there
Wednesday the Phillies get their world series rings
rumdrinks wrote:Just got back from sunny FLA and a couple of Phillies spring training games (both against the Yankees , won 1 lost 1). I can't believe I waited this long to go down for spring training. I could do this every year. You can't get any closer to the field and see good baseball. Especially near the end of spring training when the regulars start playing 6-7 innings.
My sisters were there as well, they spent some time at the tiki bar.
I can't wait for meaningful baseball games starting sunday. I'll be there
Wednesday the Phillies get their world series rings
Yeah, had a Yuengling or two or three at the Tiki bar myself. Beautiful park to watch a game in.
You must have a good connection to get tickets for opening night
TheSecretsInTheCrust wrote:I have watched Steven Strassburg pitch from HS (West Hills HS, Santee, CA) into college (SDSU). He will be the #1 draft pick and is being touted as the "best Amatuer EVER!?". Funny that in HS the school I coach at beat him up, but Tony Gwynn's staff has turned him into a 100mph monster. I have heard that Scott Boras will be his agent and that $50 Mil is the neighborhood they will be seeking. The Grossmont HS baseball conference is a small one. News travels fast. There is another Grossmont Conference kid looking like a high draft pick. Santana (Santee, CA) HS's James Needy is throwing very well. We at Steele Canyon HS have a senior (Andrew Bellatti) that could be a 1st round pick, he already has a full ride to Cal ST-Fullerton. He is throwing 89 - 95 and a 3-1 K to BB ratio. Twins have been out 4 times to watch him. Just hope he remembers his JV coach when he hits the bigs.
HS baseball in San Diego county this year might be as deep as ever.
I remember two recent can't miss pitching prospects that requested and got a lot of money, Brien Taylor and Mark Prior both turned out to be MLB busts. Mark prior had "some"MLB success but for what he was paid and projected to be a 42-29 through 6 seasons equals a bust but not as bad as Brien Taylor who never played a game in the major leagues.
Minnesota, who had the #1 pick in 2001 passed on Mark Prior because they were warned that Prior didn't want to play for them, fearing a signability problem, the Twins opted to take a catcher named Joe Mauer (you may have heard of him) -- with the 2nd pick the Cubs then selected Mark Prior. Exhibit A as to why the small market Minnesota have won multiple world championships the last 25 years and the Cubs gave not won anything in 100+ year's.
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Here's how Boston.com's Mazzerotti has this years AL East race....I agree with most of it but would pick the Sox starting pitchers over the Yankees. I see it as a 2 team race, with injuries deciding 1 & 2, and the Yankees a half dozen back.
C-Dawg wrote:Here's how Boston.com's Mazzerotti has this years AL East race....I agree with most of it but would pick the Sox starting pitchers over the Yankees. I see it as a 2 team race, with injuries deciding 1 & 2, and the Yankees a half dozen back.
Sox starting pitchers floor the Yankees starting pitching. It isn't even close. TB has far better starting pitching than NY. Also, the Red Sox bull pen could be the best in the American League. Their bull pen is what puts them slightly (I mean like nano/ slightly ) ahead of TB. TB's bull pen is good . . . but I think they will lose a significant number of games.
I agree with you C - Dawg. TB and Boston separated by a game or two. Yankees 6 or more back (age, lack of defense, lack of outfielders who can throw . . . no real pitching depth . . . below average bull pen other than Mariano who will fall apart one of these years I am convinced! ).
the hit and run is as good as any religion around this time of year . . .
C-Dawg wrote:Here's how Boston.com's Mazzerotti has this years AL East race....I agree with most of it but would pick the Sox starting pitchers over the Yankees. I see it as a 2 team race, with injuries deciding 1 & 2, and the Yankees a half dozen back.
I saw an article a few days ago that the Yankees are going to limit Joba Chamberlain to about 140 innings this year. The next sentence said they expect him to get 30 starts. That's less than 5 innings/start. Why even bother?
C-Dawg wrote:Here's how Boston.com's Mazzerotti has this years AL East race....I agree with most of it but would pick the Sox starting pitchers over the Yankees. I see it as a 2 team race, with injuries deciding 1 & 2, and the Yankees a half dozen back.
I saw an article a few days ago that the Yankees are going to limit Joba Chamberlain to about 140 innings this year. The next sentence said they expect him to get 30 starts. That's less than 5 innings/start. Why even bother?
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C-Dawg wrote:Here's how Boston.com's Mazzerotti has this years AL East race....I agree with most of it but would pick the Sox starting pitchers over the Yankees. I see it as a 2 team race, with injuries deciding 1 & 2, and the Yankees a half dozen back.
I saw an article a few days ago that the Yankees are going to limit Joba Chamberlain to about 140 innings this year. The next sentence said they expect him to get 30 starts. That's less than 5 innings/start. Why even bother?
he'll have more free time for community service, or driving school
I think it's pathetic to think that you're getting value from a starting pitcher that can barely get you to the 6th.
The game really has devolved in that sense...
$#@&...only Vegas again?? Padres ...gotta start believin'!Bring on '14 Spring Training!
). The question is because Clay Buccholtz is projected to be (Baseball America, Peter Gammons) a Number 1 Starter on atleast 8 MLB teams what is he worth? The Red Sox think Hanley Ramirez level which, of course, was shut down. A number 1 starter could warrant an MVP level player. Buccholtz is also cheap; and is cheap for the next two seasons. Buccholtz is also a head case. The Red Sox might be wise to try to move him . . . and with the young age of Becket, Dice, Lester and minor leaguers projected to be number 2 starters like Bard and Bowden . . . AND with Justin Masterson who could be a number 2 starter right now the Sox have plenty of security for the next 5 + years in their rotation . . . if not more. That is some amazing Minor League development.
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