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Volcano on Meet Me In Margaritaville

Post by greatheart »

Is it just me or is the version of Volcano on MMIM a newer version with different locations mentioned at the end? It is not designated as a new recording on the cd as others are but it is definately different than the original and its not live.

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greatheart wrote:Is it just me or is the version of Volcano on MMIM a newer version with different locations mentioned at the end? It is not designated as a new recording on the cd as others are but it is definately different than the original and its not live.
Your ears do not deceive you greatheart

Volcano - Songs you know by Heart

But I don't want to land in New York City,
I don't want to land in Mexico.
I don't want to land on no Three Mile Island;
I don't want to see my skin a-glow.
Don't want to land in Comanche Sky Park,
or in Nashville, Tennessee.
I don't want to land in no San Juan airport or
the Yukon Territory.
Don't want to land no San Diego.
Don't want to land in no Buzzards Bay.
I don't want to land on no Ayatollah
I got nothin' more to say.


Volcano - Meet Me In Margaritaville

But I don't want to land in no Kuwait City
I'd rather be in Mexico
Don't want to land in no Three-Mile Island
Don't want to feel my skin a-glow
Don't want to land upside down in Nantucket
Don't want to land in no Nagril Bay
Don't want to land in San Juan Airport
Where five minutes can feel like a day
I'd rather land in New York City
23rd Street is on my way
Don't to land on no Mulla Ulmar?(not sure of this one)
That is all I want to say
Dumb and drunk as I was, you know I would do it all again.

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Re: Volcano on Meet Me In Margaritaville

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Left Field ParrotHead wrote:Don't to land on no Mulla Ulmar?(not sure of this one)
Mullah Omar, the leader of the Taliban in Afghanistan.

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LIPH wrote:
Left Field ParrotHead wrote:Don't to land on no Mulla Ulmar?(not sure of this one)
Mullah Omar, the leader of the Taliban in Afghanistan.
Thanks, only been watching Daily Show for news these days, so I'm a little out of it.
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LIPH wrote:
Left Field ParrotHead wrote:Don't to land on no Mulla Ulmar?(not sure of this one)
Mullah Omar, the leader of the Taliban in Afghanistan.
Mulla Ulmar is his cousin in Sveeden donchaknow...

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RinglingRingling wrote:
LIPH wrote:
Left Field ParrotHead wrote:Don't to land on no Mulla Ulmar?(not sure of this one)
Mullah Omar, the leader of the Taliban in Afghanistan.
Mulla Ulmar is his cousin in Sveeden donchaknow...
That's why the line didn't make any sense to me. What's Jimmy got against Sweden?
Dumb and drunk as I was, you know I would do it all again.

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Left Field ParrotHead wrote:
RinglingRingling wrote:
LIPH wrote:
Left Field ParrotHead wrote:Don't to land on no Mulla Ulmar?(not sure of this one)
Mullah Omar, the leader of the Taliban in Afghanistan.
Mulla Ulmar is his cousin in Sveeden donchaknow...
That's why the line didn't make any sense to me. What's Jimmy got against Sweden?
Annafrid from ABBA turned down his advances on St. Bart's in 1978. Ever since then, Jimmy's been a little annoyed. You won't find any Danish Modern furniture in his houses. And you would do well not to offer him lutefisk with a ligonberry pie chaser..

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Re: Volcano on Meet Me In Margaritaville

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RinglingRingling wrote:
Left Field ParrotHead wrote:
RinglingRingling wrote:
LIPH wrote:
Left Field ParrotHead wrote:Don't to land on no Mulla Ulmar?(not sure of this one)
Mullah Omar, the leader of the Taliban in Afghanistan.
Mulla Ulmar is his cousin in Sveeden donchaknow...
That's why the line didn't make any sense to me. What's Jimmy got against Sweden?
Annafrid from ABBA turned down his advances on St. Bart's in 1978. Ever since then, Jimmy's been a little annoyed. You won't find any Danish Modern furniture in his houses. And you would do well not to offer him lutefisk with a ligonberry pie chaser..
LMAO :lol: :lol:
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Post by sonofabeach »

I don't care too much for the new version, not so much the new lyrics but the way it sounds, almost like there's too much bass in it, especially the beginning guitar.
Guess I'm kinda anal about it.....and not the way your thinking :roll:
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sonofabeach wrote:I don't care too much for the new version, not so much the new lyrics but the way it sounds, almost like there's too much bass in it, especially the beginning guitar.
Guess I'm kinda anal about it.....and not the way your thinking :roll:
Oh, for a second, I thought you were sounding like Parrot Monkey. Guess I was wrong.

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sonofabeach wrote:Guess I'm kinda anal about it.....
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nycparrothead wrote:
sonofabeach wrote:Guess I'm kinda anal about it.....
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EEEWWWWWW

I LOVE the different version...of lots of songs really

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Post by sonofabeach »

nycparrothead wrote:
sonofabeach wrote:Guess I'm kinda anal about it.....
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I left myself "open" for that :lol:
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RinglingRingling wrote:
sonofabeach wrote:I don't care too much for the new version, not so much the new lyrics but the way it sounds, almost like there's too much bass in it, especially the beginning guitar.
Guess I'm kinda anal about it.....and not the way your thinking :roll:
Oh, for a second, I thought you were sounding like Parrot Monkey.
I actually thought of that while I was typing it :lol:
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sonofabeach wrote:
RinglingRingling wrote:
sonofabeach wrote:I don't care too much for the new version, not so much the new lyrics but the way it sounds, almost like there's too much bass in it, especially the beginning guitar.
Guess I'm kinda anal about it.....and not the way your thinking :roll:
Oh, for a second, I thought you were sounding like Parrot Monkey.
I actually thought of that while I was typing it :lol:
I thought about it while reading it, but then it didn't rant for three paragraphs about album art, and then go on to attack KLL, so I figured it had to be someone else. :D

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I’m oblivious to the fact that the master tapes are not consulted when MCA released the compact disc releases of JB’s material back in 87’. I also don’t understand the importance of all the lost liner notes that where intended to be included with the albums. I also don’t get the importance of all the dedications that were included in the liner notes. I think it’s all about pretty pictures that just wouldn’t fit in a CD case. I think Jimmy is a perfect man and is a goody-two-shoes than just can’t do any wrong, as with MCA. I really don’t know what I’m talking about, so I just intimidate people who do.

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Parrot Monkey wrote:I’m oblivious to the fact that the master tapes are not consulted when MCA released the compact disc releases of JB’s material back in 87’. I also don’t understand the importance of all the lost liner notes that where intended to be included with the albums. I also don’t get the importance of all the dedications that were included in the liner notes. I think it’s all about pretty pictures that just wouldn’t fit in a CD case. I think Jimmy is a perfect man and is a goody-two-shoes than just can’t do any wrong, as with MCA. I really don’t know what I’m talking about, so I just intimidate people who do.

Holy cow! I sound like RinglingRingling!! :o :o :o
wow... only one paragraph. You still have two more to talk about the artwork, and how Mailboat sucks. Have at it... :D

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Yes sir.

I’ve been looking at my CD collection and on eBay at vinyl records and doing some packaging comparisons. It’s amazing how much carelessness art directors perform just because of some size constraint old wives’ tale.

Billy Joel: 52nd Street: 5 inner sleeve photos of band members.

Carloe King: Tapestry: Right side of inner gatefold.

Elton John: Empty Sky: 2 Critic reviews, handwritten liner notes by Elton and sketches of the two critics, all from the back cover. Captain Fantastic and the Brown Dirt Cowboy: An overwhelming amount of material from the inner gatefold, “lyrics” and “songs”.

Bruce Springsteen: The River: All pictures form both inner sleeves and insert. Born in the USA: All pictures from inner sleeve.

Van Morrison: Moondance: Fable by Van’s then wife (Janet Planet), several b/w photographs.

James Taylor: Sweet Baby James: Back cover photo, inner poster photo, handwritten lyrics.

I’m sure I could dig up much more, but all that alone above is disgraceful. Even with all the omissions above, all those releases remained consistent text wise, including most liner notes from the LPs. Only MCA went so low as to remove all the notes and not even bother with back cover images.

I know the music itself is what it’s all about, but really, in my honest opinion, I believe omitting album art and notes is just like editing a song and hurts the keepsake value of CDs.

I have a draft on my hard drive that I was going to bring the original “Reissue JB CD’s” thread back to post it, but I changed my mind and believe this is a good place to post it.

As I go through my CD collection and compare the packaging on all my CDs, those 12 infamous CDs look so out of place and dated when lined up to the others. I’m not buying that whole “They Couldn’t Fit it”, “It would become unreadable” stuff anymore. (Not that I ever did).

Apologies in advance if anyone is really annoyed by this post, but remember, it’s the best for Bubba’s catalogue. From numerous responses in other threads, I can already predict the heavy amount of flak I will receive after posting this message. It seems many people here are giving MCA this excuse that the size difference between a vinyl record jacket and a CD jewel case is a good reason for them not to have to include the material. I just must ask why the majority believes this when it has been done so many times before with hundreds upon thousands of other albums that originated on vinyl record.

It’s amazing how many totally lost anything they had for album art when the transition from vinyl to CD was made. I mean, not only did the public apparently lose interest, but also to my knowledge there used to be a Grammy for album art. Who ever said the just because of a size difference albums can no longer have artwork? Sure, it will never be the same in the smaller size, but album art is still clearly there.

I know many people will say I have a “passion” or “obsession” for this, but I’m not going to testify against myself here anytime soon. This is something that happened to 12 of his albums. 12 albums were completely striped of the beautiful packing and acknowledgements they once had, and 2 were given skimpy art adapting jobs (YHTBT, Floridays) and omit much of the material the vinyl jackets and sleeves included. I don’t see how I could be obsessed with anything when the situation at hand is so drastic. It’s not like I’m complaining about a single picture or note being omitted on a single one of the albums.

Many will say I should appreciate the music of JB for what it is. I do. I still enjoy these CDs when I play them, although many have come to believe the omission of numerous packaging elements prohibits me from doing so. I appreciate the music so much, I think it deserves more. I think these 12 great musical creations by Mr. James Buffett that he worked hard to give us are gifts to the music world deserve higher quality digital reproductions than that “Compact Disc – Compact Price” moniker that MCA thought was such a good idea some 15 years ago.

You see, it appears the most think of packaging as bells and whistles that “decorate” the albums and are just there to make it look flashy or whatever. I don’t believe that and never have. I always saw the packaging as part of the album. Just because it’s not part of the audio program contained on the disc doesn’t by any means mean it’s not important.

A theory I have is to why the back catalogue is so neglected by MCA and non-PHs is because it’s enslaved by the first greatest hits compilation, Songs You Know By Heart. Granted that this has happened to the majority of artist’s catalogues in some way with greatest hits, it appears that with Buffett’s catalogue, the compilation had a larger effect then most others. I mean, take a look at other artist’s back catalogue. If you were to go and ask casual fans to name one album by an artist, they could probably name that one popular album the artist had. For example, Billy Joel – The Stranger, Carole King – Tapestry, Elton John – Goodbye Yellow Brick Road etc. But what recording would a casual listener mention when asked about Buffett’s back catalogue? SYKBH. While compilations represent artist’s catalogues on one or two discs, SYKBH dominates Jimmy’s. Something else to bring up here that has been mentioned recently, is the theory that Jimmy feels obligated to perform the majority of the songs that were included on SYKBH in concert. I’m going with that theory. Don’t get more wrong, I love the compellation as a beginners disc, I just don’t like the fact that millions stopped there and are missing out on so much more material that this man has put out that they are bound to love if they would hear it. Anyway, my point here is, if Jimmy had just one popular album back there, they would most likely would have re-mastered it with a complete artwork job by now. After that, they would most likely to be drived to re-release the other neighboring albums while their in the master tapes vaults, as that one album would look silly on the racks in re-mastered form alone. But, as it remains true that none of Buffett’s studio recordings were given their due praise in their original forms, there is no drive by the record company to re-master anytime soon.



I would understand if it was compact disc standard not to include the original album art and notes, but that’s not the way it is. I have been accustomed to getting liner notes and album art with all my CDs over the years myself, my brother and father have been buying. Maybe it was fine in the 1980s when the Compact Disc format was the huge craze, but in this day and age, they look substandard when placing them next to digitally re-mastered discs. CD jewel cases and their inserts were designed with the proportions of vinyl jackets in mind, and it appears that MCA just didn’t get it or didn’t care.

Please understand I am not obligating anyone to start caring about this. As much as it stuns me that so many could care less here, you are entitled to do what you desire.

Again, I know I will probably get on many people’s nerves with this post. I don’t believe I am breaking and forum rules in the context of any of my posts, and unless an administrator or moderator directs me to do so, I believe I am entitled to post about this subject here at the Buffett News message board.

And yes, I know I have mentioned this many times before and it may be considered lobbying upon many other things. While this comes off as negativity, it’s most certainly not. Remember, it’s what’s best for Bubba’s catalogue. Take it or leave it.

Well, I’m not holding my breath that someone important is actually going to stop in here, read my post and listen to it.

The person who holds the key you refer to is none other than Mr. Jimmy Buffett himself. If Jimmy and/or Howard Kaufman (the manager) approached the keepers of the master tapes (Universal/MCA) and proposed a re-master campaign, we might get somewhere. Perhaps a MCA/Mailboat deal like what was done with MMIM? That’s the only possibility I know of.

I boggles me down to the level of insanity on how Jimmy, as well as numerous PHs and Buffett fans who enjoy the released CDs of the 73-85 albums without questioning, can let this slide.

I mean, to many the “Compact Disc, Compact Price, Compact BS” series is just a small issue.

Small issue? Really?

Let’s see…

12 albums completely striped of their documentation. Those same albums are also missing all the photographs and artwork that photographers, artists and art directors did for a reason. Floridays is missing at least 80% of its linner notes. The catalogue art direction job on YHTBT is absolute crap. LaDi3/4 Time is no longer dedicated to Jane. Havana Daydreamin is no longer dedicated to Capt. Buffett (JB’s grandfather). Volcano is not longer dedicated to Jane and Savannah Jane. Last Mango is not longer dedicated to Steve Goodman.

Please, someone tell me how this is a small problem? How can JB and so many fans not care?

I can counter every answer to this:

“Just buy the records, the album art and notes are on there”

No good when the material is on the format that has been out of print since the late 80s, is it now? The stuff being on out of print vinyl jackets is no help. CDs are the format that has been mass produced since the 80s. No one should have to search for out of print items (although it’s fun) to get the documentation to albums they already own, regardless of the format.

“CD cases are too small. The print would be unreadable etc.”

I can’t stand this response/excuse. It is not a standard of the Compact Disc format to not include the documentation and liner notes from a vinyl LP originating album. People known as catalogue art directors have the job of “adapting” the artwork and notes from album jackets and sleeves to CD inserts and tray liners. For example, if an LP had all the lyrics the songs contained within on the back cover or on the inner sleeve, they change that and place it throughout the booklet insert. It has been done thousands of times, and Jimmy’s early catalogue CDs are the only CD issues I have seen of vinyl originating albums not to include the printed material. I don’t know why, I just don’t, why people give MCA this excuse. I don’t…

You know I was looking at this newsgroup post on Google the other day. This guy said the MCA employees are flawed individuals, and the engineers used third party tapes in the transferring process, and that’s the reason the CDs sound as bad as they do, and I believe it! Take for example when you go to the music wracks these days, you know. They try to sell you this Compact Price stuff, $8 for a poor CD issue that looks like crap. I don’t want it. I want more organization in my CDs. I don’t want other people messing up Bubba’s albums. I want, MY ALBUM ART! WHERE DID ALBUM ART GO IN THE EARLY BUFFETT ALBUMS!? I DON’T WANT A CHOP SHOP CD ISSUE FOR $8-$12, I WANT MY ALBUM ART! WE NEED MORE DEDICATED PEOPLE, LESS CHEAPIES! WE NEED PEOPLE THAT CARE! I’M MAD AS HECK! AND I DON’T WANT TO TAKE IT ANYMORE!!!!

Here is a newsgroup post by a man by the name/screen name of Jim McKay, dated 2/8/95. Again, I found this one from Google. Yes, this is about Steely Dan, but I’m quite sure the same goes for Jimmy’s albums in question. The excerpts from the post appear in bold.

All the Steely Dan CDs were mastered for CD by their Immortal Engineer Roger Nichols in the early 80s in anticipation of CDs becoming big.

So he was prepared for the CD format and did all the work ahead of time. Now that’s dedication there.

The first discs manufactured in the mid 80s for MCA in Japan have some of the original artwork and an additional stock number from manufacturer Digital Audio Corp. These are using the masters Nichols intended.

OK, they were doing something right, but what’s with the “some” of the original artwork part? Did they feel that some parts of the packaging just weren’t important?

In the mid 80s MCA switched manufacturing of some Dan CDs to USA and put them on their chop shop/budget line "Compact Disc/Compact Price." When this switch was made, MCA “accidentally” mixed up the tapes and used third generation copies. These CDs are the ones to avoid.

I can’t say my anger in words about this…

Nichols discovered this mistake in the early 90s and MCA was cajoled into switching back to the correct tapes; they started phasing back in the 1985-period DIDX-type artwork and placed a sticker on it saying "MCA Remastered CD."

The artist and mastering engineer has that much pull?

*THEN* Steely Dan and Roger Nichols, et al, decided to have them re-remastered using 1990s technology. These are the ones that appear with the "Newly Remastered by The Artist Stickers" and usually have the 1985-era artwork. These masters were also used for the box set.

Just like a said above, the artist’s and engineers have the power to do that?

The point is, if Steely Dan and Nichols did it, what’s there to stop Jimmy and say, for example Jim Demain, the engineer who mastered LTC, from approaching MCA and saying “We want to do remasters”?. From reading posts by Key Lime Lee and meisinger, I would have to say they would get laughs as an answer, but after reading this man’s post (who seems to know his stuff), I see hope. I know Jimmy didn’t have an engineer who prepared masters for the CDs ahead of time who got outraged, but still…

When I say “restore the albums back to what they were in the vinyl era”, on CD, this covers both the sonic quality of the sound and the completeness of the packaging adaptation.

I guess the “mastering” on some titles are worse than others, but it really jumps out at you when you listen to one at a significant volume after a remastered disk by another artiest was in the player.

I just picked up Dylan’s Highway 61 Revisted and Blonde on Blonde on Hybrid SACDs. Although I don’t have a SACD player, I was blown away by the quality of the regular remaster on the standard CD layer. If I thought that was good, I really wonder what the SACD layer is like.

Anyway, after listening to one of those titles (which also have complete package replications of the record, plus additional photos) and then an old Buffett album, it just makes you want to scream out and demand the same for his catalogue. I know SACDs will probably only happen to SYKBH if it ever happened to anything Buffett, but regular remasters will do for me.

Quiet and Shy, to my understanding, you boycotted MCA’s Compact Disc/Price/Crap CDs, correct? Even I had to go out and collect all of those disks, as I was so anxious to own the many songs I had been listening to on the Buffett Buffet on RM. I really respect that you didn’t buy any. Also, don’t let anyone fool you into thinking that the You Had To Be There or Floridays releases are any better. You Had to Be There’s volume is mastered rather low and missing 12 photographs form the ABC/Dunhill release. Floridays is missing about 85% of its liner notes as well as a single photo. Just because the CDCP moniker isn’t there means nothing. Also, Hot Water, although it includes lyrics in the insert (which the LP does not have), it’s missing a photo from the LP’s back cover. A “no having cake and eating it” situation, which is really odd for album releases.



The matter of time theory is one I would like to believe, but I just don't think anything's going to happen naturally. It's been way to long (around 15 years) since the CDs were put out, and so many other artist’s catalogue have had the remaster treatment done already. Than again, Dylan's catalogue didn't see the re-issue/re-master light until 2003 with the SACDs, which is quite awhile for such a popular artist’s catalogue to get that treatment

One thing I must say is that the PH population seems to mostly be full of people who just enjoy what’s given to them, and don’t bother really thinking about if they truly like it or not, nor do they even consider rebelling. That’s why they enjoy each performance of Margaritaville, CIP, Fins, Volcano, WDWGDAS etc; “Ok, he’s playing it, so that means I have to enjoy it, just like everyone else here”. Same thing with the MCA CDs. So many people just enjoy what’s there and don’t if even think that they could have so much more…

It’s those darn logos in the bottom right corners of LaDi3/4 Time and OPH (CILCIA also, but that cover doesn’t appear on that image), as well as the catalogue numbers, which have no place on the front covers.

It may sound picky or whatever, but I’ve spent about 15 months trying to recruit people to help me get rid of those logos and generic artwork so the real packaging that rightfully belongs to those albums (AWSCAPC – Last Mango) can return.

I guess because those things have spent over 15 years on the covers, people have become accustomed to seeing them in those places and think it was meant to be like that way. My mission is to overcome that and let people know that customers have the power to detect a poor product when we see it and complain.

I’m sorry if I offended anyone here with my criticism on the image, but really, I spent so much time with those covers in image programs and searched the far reaches of the internet to find clean versions, and made many numerous attempts to convince the professionals to do the job so re-issues can be mass produced. Every action I took in this matter was in the best interest for parrotheads and Buffett Phans everywhere. But for the most part, my pleas fell on deaf ears.

I’m going to use the Simon Cowell approach (100% honesty) here. Those discs MCA “manufactured” in the late 1980s are absolute crap. Their rush jobs. The money hungry executives just couldn’t wait to say they got the whole catalogue out and make their pretty pennies on it. They wanted it so quick, they “forgot” to acquire the original master tapes and negatives to the photos, and it’s quite obvious.

When I saw so many positive remarks on an image where someone just placed the covers the way they are on the CDs onto the collage and worked with that, it really annoyed me that everyone’s just letting those blemishes take over. Of course, the fact that there’s nothing else printed inside those inserts and the fact that the sound quality to those particular CDs is absolute junk (rumor is the master tapes were not used, a very unprofessional method was instead) is what everyone should really battle against.

I’m really crossing my fingers that Jimmy answer’s my “Ask Jimmy” question on this, and with a positive response.



I just saw that in the Muscle Shoals thread and almost chimed in and took off on him for the “His name is…” comment, but maybe it’s better I didn’t. That’s the second time in less than 2 days where I almost lost my temper at BN’ers as a collective whole. Of course, you know about that image that was selected to be the site’s new splash page. To be completely honest, I just didn’t find that picture to be that great. Sure, it’s a cool concept, but I spent so much time with those covers in image programs and searched the far reaches of the internet to find clean versions, and made many numerous attempts to convince the professionals to do the job so re-issues can be mass produced. Every action I took in this matter was in the best interest for parrotheads and Buffett Phans everywhere. But to they appreciate it? No. For them to worship something that contains those horrid “Compact Disc, Compact Price” logos to the level that they say they would buy it as a poster is a huge kick in the face to me after all the work you, me and AMC at Buffett World (the package scans which came in handy) have done. NYCparrothead tells me to forget it because “There are other things in the world to get bent out of shape on”. That may be true, but if I don’t do something about it, who will? That’s the main problem I see here. Everyone just thinks the same thing: “There are other problems in the world”, “this is minor”, “who cares about the artwork”, “You can’t fit that stuff on CD inserts”, “It would be unreadable”, “Their just cool pictures” blah blah blah, and all that other BS. You just can’t get [the majority] of these folks to think outside the box. I even went as far as typing several paragraphs worth of angry comments that used quite harsh words towards MCA’s releases. Well, not that harsh, it was just 100% honesty, none of which the BN “clique” would like. I shelved as a word document on my hard disk for now because it appears that the thread has died.

Anyway, St. Somewhere also posted in the Hit Factory thread I created saying “I bet the Muscle Shoals thread will be more popular than this one”. Who the hell said this was a competition?

Just thought I let you know that your not the only one here who thinks outside the box and is POed at the majority of the BN’ers, but I think you knew that.

You really seem proud of yourself for your discovery. Look, we know you know his first name, and that’s really good for you.

Invading someone’s privacy and fining their first name isn’t finding the Ark of the Covenant, it’s childish and the fanfare over it is really getting annoying.

Sorry, I’m just being honest here.

Things I hope LTC paves way for

With the release of Jimmy’s next album on Tuesday (or was it already released?) and the predictions of it being a success, I can’t help but wonder if the promotion and airplay Jimmy is getting for his new album will pave way for more things. If LTC is a success, I hope:

Non PHs will know Jimmy as more than “The Margaritaville Guy” and the dude who sung with Alan Jackson
We hear more of Jimmy’s clean songs on the radio such as School Boy Heart
Definitive CD releases of the 73-88 albums (maybe MCA will want to cash in on the hype?)
Live By The Bay and Tales from Margaritavison DVD releases
Jimmy gets invited to more all star concerts (Music for Mottserot is the only one I recall)

Anyone else have wishes?

This here is what really sickens me most about that Compact Price bull. I apologize in advance for sounding like a broken record, but I just have to stop in say shame on the individual(s) at MCA who had the "bright" idea of the CDCP series. I can't believe Jimmy never got riled up about that whole issue. You would have thought it would have hit a mark in Jimmy's heart that an album that was once dedicated to his grandfather, probably the biggest inspiration on his life, suddenly turned into a near faceless product for MCA. I don’t care if the album art isn’t what we buy the discs for. I don’t care if we solely by them for the music. The graphics and documentation is important no matter what in the package is driving me to trade in my cash for it. I’m currently in a Programming Theory class at my high school, and the teacher can’t stress enough on how important documentation is on any piece of media, whether it be a piece of software, a video game or a recording of any kind. There needs to be paperwork included that advises the user on what the data encoded in the disc or tape is all about. It’s one thing for a piece of media not to include documentation in the first place (it would then be the original creator’s fault), but to just thoughtlessly remove all the printed material upon reissue and replace it with commercial ads that could be placed in hundreds of other areas is so low in makes me want to puke, no exaggeration.

I really wish that Universal and the majority of the Buffett phans and PHs out there would discontinue the apathy they have towards album documentation. I really don’t intend to offend anyone here and I deeply apologize if I do, but come on. People care about seeing pictures of JB, people care about reading about JB, and they want to hear the music. With those facts, I fail to understand why so many do care about the pictures and text that come WITH the music. I don’t get it why people don’t want to fight the CDCP series because the information and graphics “won’t fit” in CD inserts when there are an uncountable amount of CD issues of vinyl originating albums on the shelve as we speak hat just happen to have everything the artist, art directors and note writers put there back in the day. Sure there were gatefold images in many of those albums. Do you no what they do? They print them somewhere inside the booklet. The centerfold works fine for the job. Sure there are those huge images that were printed on the inner sleeves. You know what they did with those? They shrinked them down a few sizes and place them on a page or the back cover of the booklet. Sure, some albums have all the lyrics printed on the back cover. Do they simply shrink the lyrics down to a horrible below 2 point font size so it’s unreadable to the human eye? No, they simply “adapt” the album art to a smaller package and reprint it all inside the handy booklet. Sure the material isn’t the same as it was back in the day, but it’s still there and satisfies me. While to most the absence of album art and documentation in CD packages is just a trivial issues that you get over, to me it’s a serious act of disrespect and a kick in the face to the artist who worked their tales off crafting and performing the albums.

What went wrong?

Listening to the old albums, you find it hard to believe how Jimmy never got into the spotlight outside of SYKBH and Margaritaville. I keep wondering why his catalogue has yet to be remastered and lingers on old 80s disc, but the answer is simple: Jimmy’s catalogue is enslaved by compilations, and SYKBH, BBB&B and MMIM are holding the leashes of the original albums. Of course the die hard PHs and Buffett phans buy everything, but it seems like the general public has absolutely not interest in owning Buffett’s music in it’s original configurations.

Is that enough for you? :roll:

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Well there goes our bandwidth for the month. :roll:

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Is that enough for you?
nah. I think you can do better. I write more than that on a postcard...

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