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Post by Lightning Bolt »

Moonie wrote:
Lightning Bolt wrote:
Moonie wrote:Hey LB...Off Topic, but this is Off Topic, isn't it..

just curious..


how are you going to vote on Proposition No. 2?
That's the Animal Confinement one, isn't it?

..it doesn't get a lot of pub right now out here,
everyone is too freaked out about the move to ban gay marriage! :lol:

I guess I would have to say I'm FOR improving the ridiculous confinement standards...YES on 2
I'm not a big fan of tender baby veal, and I don't see huge adverse downside to implementing this.

What's your thoughts?...
Oh geeze, you have to ask? :wink: :lol:

Of course, I'm for it. No veal for me, and I won't pay the tab if someone dare order it, and I'm picking up the tab...

I'm glad to know that you support it. I hope it passes...
oh...

well, if you support it... .... then I MUST OPPOSE IT!! :wink:

I thought we're not supposed to agree on anything here, right?... :lol: :lol: :lol: :wink:
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jackiesic wrote:I've got run but this was too good not to pass along.....

Today on my way to lunch I passed a homeless guy with a sign that read "Vote Obama, I need the money." I laughed.

Once in the restaurant my server had on a "Obama 08" tie, again I laughed as he had given away his political preference -- just imagine the coincidence.

When the bill came I decided not to tip the server and explained to him that I was exploring the Obama redistribution of wealth concept. He stood there in disbelief while I told him that I was going to redistribute his tip to someone who I deemed more in need--the homeless guy outside. The server angrily stormed from my sight.

I went outside, gave the homeless guy $10 and told him to thank the server inside as I've decided he could use the money more. The homeless guy was grateful.

At the end of my rather unscientific redistribution experiment I realized the homeless guy was grateful for the money he did not earn, but the waiter was pretty angry that I gave away the money he did earn even though the actual recipient deserved money more.

I guess redistribution of wealth is an easier thing to swallow in concept than in practical application.
This was funny, at least to me.

I pay over 51% of my entire annual income and investment earnings in taxes today (federal, state, cap gains, personal property tax). I find great irony the vast majority of people supporting Mr. Obama do not pay either this rate, or the ridiculous total taxes in dollars I personally pay. It is painful to think my taxes both in raw dollars and tax rate will go up with Mr. Obama in office. How much is enough?

The above story does illustrate one thing related to my future behavior if Mr. Obama is elected. To make up for Mr. Obama taking money out of my pocket, I will give much less to my personal charities, and also be more conservative on other spending habits that does directly help people of lesser means. This does not mean I am not a charitable person. It just means the government taking my money at a higher rate to give money to those less fortunate will mean I give directly less. The government will then be my major designated charity.

Call it a resulting form of wealth redistribution.

PS: Other than the tax thing, I do like Mr. Obama.
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SDPirate40 wrote:
PS: Other than the tax thing, I do like Mr. Obama.
I've never done the math on where my % of tax stands. It is a bit offputting to know that as I've matured, so has my job and so has my salary, which means financially, a conservative candidate would be more advantageous to my pocketbook.

On the other hand, I'm considerably on the socially liberal side of things. The thought of (religiously) conservative government policy really, really bothers me, and guides my voting hand stronger than fiscal issues.

To me the real "change" that needs to happen is something better than the two party system we have now. I know for a fact there are candidates for less government/taxes and protection of personal freedoms (aka keeping gun-toters happy), but keeps personal life choices in the hands of individuals (abortion, marijuana). Even though I know such parties and candidates exist, they are not viable or electable (and I know by not voting for them I'm not helping the situation).

I certainly don't see Obama as the lesser of two evils (or a socialist :roll: ). I happen to like him a lot. Regardless of experience on anyone's resume, I'm willing to trust his decision making ability (such as Biden to supplement foreign policy experience) to include other adept people who do have experience where he might be lacking.

I don't have the same confidence in McCain, who I see (especially by his choice of Palin as a running mate) as a person who will cave to his party. While I do like McCain as a person and especially his service to our country, I'm concerned about his health and age, leaving the country with Sarah Palin in charge. She's exactly the polar opposite of what I find appealing in an individual and a leader.
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Post by flyboy55 »

I am running out of things to say in this thread, but . . .

Is this fantasy about Barack Obama's birth certificate or lack thereof, anything but one last ditch effort to collect a few more of the undecided 'turnips' which fell off the truck and bring them into the McCain/Palin camp?

I think the conversation about wealth redistribution is uninformed. We already enjoy a progressive tax system in this country, wherein the wealthy pay a higher percentage of their income in tax than those with less, so we already have wealth redistribution. I don't see what the problem is.
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I am so ready for this election to be over , so the politicans can get back to the business of running this country.
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Frank4 wrote:I am so ready for this election to be over , so the politicans can get back to the business of <strike>running</strike> ruining this country.
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Post by Martonian »

jackiesic wrote:
Martonian wrote:
jackiesic wrote:Okay, here's the question I have. If I recall correctly, a US Citizen must produce a CERTIFIED record of birth (with the raised seal that you can see and feell) in order to obtain a US passport. So, without such a document (and if one existed what's the big deal about producing it?) how in the world did he get a US passport?
I believe you just answered your own question. He does have a US passport, so he had to show his birth certificate (with raised seal) to obtain his US passport.

And again here is the FactCheck.org link on his birth certificate:

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008 ... e_usa.html
Unfortunately I can't read any names on that certificate. FYI - fact check is backed by/part of Annenberg.
How can you not read the name on the certificate? Maybe you didn't click on it to enlarge it.

Here's the direct link to the image: http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/ ... cate_3.jpg

As for FactCheck they scrutinize both McCain and Obama evenly. Both campaigns cite them as a source.
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buffettbride wrote:
jackiesic wrote:
I guess redistribution of wealth is an easier thing to swallow in concept than in practical application.
So you actually did it or are you re-sharing the same/similar story that was posted on Team Sarah?

How do you know the waiter didn't deserve the money more? Maybe that was a second or third job so he could keep food on the table for his family while the homeless person is a crack-addict kid toucher? Maybe the server is an independent student working his way through college to become a doctor or a lawyer or heaven help us, a minister--and the homeless dude is just lazy.

Seems to me you didn't tip him because your bastardized definition of "redistribution of wealth" made you feel and exercise false superiority toward another individual because of his TIE.

Taxes scare so many people, but there is a cost to live in this country and have the freedoms we do. Just because you are responsible, work hard, and pray to a Christian god doesn't mean you're exempt from paying the costs of being an American (which do sometimes include tax dollars being spent on causes you don't 100% agree with or will ever use...). Hell, my taxes have been paying for public schools for 10 years and until August, I had never taken my child to a public school. During that time I didn't feel like (nor did I feel like my kidless neighbors) I shouldn't have to pay for public schools.
Our school system is in need of financial help. Too many citizens keep voting down the levy because their kids go to private schools, not public so they don't want to pay for public school kids. In my state (I have no idea what your state mandates are), public schools must pay for and provide school nurses, guidance counselors and buses (to name a few) for private schools. Plus, if a child requires special services, public school picks up that tab. Yes, public schools have to pay for services offered at a private school. Unfortunately, the levy commitees haven't done a very good job getting the word out that public school does fund some of the private school services.
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Post by UAHparrothead »

buffettbride wrote: Just because you are responsible, work hard, and pray to a Christian god doesn't mean you're exempt from paying the costs of being an American (which do sometimes include tax dollars being spent on causes you don't 100% agree with or will ever use...).
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buffettbride wrote:
jackiesic wrote:
I guess redistribution of wealth is an easier thing to swallow in concept than in practical application.
So you actually did it or are you re-sharing the same/similar story that was posted on Team Sarah?

How do you know the waiter didn't deserve the money more? Maybe that was a second or third job so he could keep food on the table for his family while the homeless person is a crack-addict kid toucher? Maybe the server is an independent student working his way through college to become a doctor or a lawyer or heaven help us, a minister--and the homeless dude is just lazy.

Seems to me you didn't tip him because your bastardized definition of "redistribution of wealth" made you feel and exercise false superiority toward another individual because of his TIE.

Taxes scare so many people, but there is a cost to live in this country and have the freedoms we do. Just because you are responsible, work hard, and pray to a Christian god doesn't mean you're exempt from paying the costs of being an American (which do sometimes include tax dollars being spent on causes you don't 100% agree with or will ever use...). Hell, my taxes have been paying for public schools for 10 years and until August, I had never taken my child to a public school. During that time I didn't feel like (nor did I feel like my kidless neighbors) I shouldn't have to pay for public schools.
Nope, not from Team Sarah and no, I did not do this. Just found it on another site. Why do you have such a problem with Team Sarah? I saw the other silly comment you made earlier and decided at that time to ignore it.

Maybe the tax rate should just be 100%? The government could give us all a monthly stipend.....let's say, $600 per adult in the household, $400 per kid and if we can get PETA to lobby for us, $75 per pet. Would that be satisfying?

As far as school taxes go, I see it as citizens paying for the education of children/young adults who will hopefully be intelligent enough grow up to be decent, taxpaying citizens who will take care of our communities. So, even if you're childless (or choose private school) you still need well-educated people to provide your services, etc.
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Post by jackiesic »

SDPirate40 wrote:
jackiesic wrote:I've got run but this was too good not to pass along.....

Today on my way to lunch I passed a homeless guy with a sign that read "Vote Obama, I need the money." I laughed.

Once in the restaurant my server had on a "Obama 08" tie, again I laughed as he had given away his political preference -- just imagine the coincidence.

When the bill came I decided not to tip the server and explained to him that I was exploring the Obama redistribution of wealth concept. He stood there in disbelief while I told him that I was going to redistribute his tip to someone who I deemed more in need--the homeless guy outside. The server angrily stormed from my sight.

I went outside, gave the homeless guy $10 and told him to thank the server inside as I've decided he could use the money more. The homeless guy was grateful.

At the end of my rather unscientific redistribution experiment I realized the homeless guy was grateful for the money he did not earn, but the waiter was pretty angry that I gave away the money he did earn even though the actual recipient deserved money more.

I guess redistribution of wealth is an easier thing to swallow in concept than in practical application.
This was funny, at least to me.

I pay over 51% of my entire annual income and investment earnings in taxes today (federal, state, cap gains, personal property tax). I find great irony the vast majority of people supporting Mr. Obama do not pay either this rate, or the ridiculous total taxes in dollars I personally pay. It is painful to think my taxes both in raw dollars and tax rate will go up with Mr. Obama in office. How much is enough?

The above story does illustrate one thing related to my future behavior if Mr. Obama is elected. To make up for Mr. Obama taking money out of my pocket, I will give much less to my personal charities, and also be more conservative on other spending habits that does directly help people of lesser means. This does not mean I am not a charitable person. It just means the government taking my money at a higher rate to give money to those less fortunate will mean I give directly less. The government will then be my major designated charity.

Call it a resulting form of wealth redistribution.

PS: Other than the tax thing, I do like Mr. Obama.
You seem to have a better grasp on what you pay in taxes than most people.
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Post by jackiesic »

Okay, is it worse out there this year than in 2004 or have my memories faded?

Woman Attacked At ATM, Assailant Carves Letter Into Her Face

PITTSBURGH -- A 20-year-old woman who was robbed at an ATM in Bloomfield was also maimed by her attacker, police said.

Pittsburgh police spokeswoman Diane Richard tells Channel 4 Action News that the victim was robbed at knifepoint on Wednesday night outside of a Citizens Bank near Liberty Avenue and Pearl Street just before 9 p.m.

Richard said the robber took $60 from the woman, then became angry when he saw a McCain bumper sticker on the victim's car. The attacker then punched and kicked the victim, before using the knife to scratch the letter "B" into her face, Richard said.

Rest of story here:
http://www.thepittsburghchannel.com/new ... etail.html
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Post by Moonie »

Lightning Bolt wrote:
Moonie wrote:
Lightning Bolt wrote:
Moonie wrote:Hey LB...Off Topic, but this is Off Topic, isn't it..

just curious..


how are you going to vote on Proposition No. 2?
That's the Animal Confinement one, isn't it?

..it doesn't get a lot of pub right now out here,
everyone is too freaked out about the move to ban gay marriage! :lol:

I guess I would have to say I'm FOR improving the ridiculous confinement standards...YES on 2
I'm not a big fan of tender baby veal, and I don't see huge adverse downside to implementing this.

What's your thoughts?...
Oh geeze, you have to ask? :wink: :lol:

Of course, I'm for it. No veal for me, and I won't pay the tab if someone dare order it, and I'm picking up the tab...

I'm glad to know that you support it. I hope it passes...
oh...

well, if you support it... .... then I MUST OPPOSE IT!! :wink:

I thought we're not supposed to agree on anything here, right?... :lol: :lol: :lol: :wink:
that's what has always been assumed...but again, I must say that I'm very pleased to know you're on the good side of this one..
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Post by SDPirate40 »

jackiesic wrote:
SDPirate40 wrote:
jackiesic wrote:I've got run but this was too good not to pass along.....

Today on my way to lunch I passed a homeless guy with a sign that read "Vote Obama, I need the money." I laughed.

Once in the restaurant my server had on a "Obama 08" tie, again I laughed as he had given away his political preference -- just imagine the coincidence.

When the bill came I decided not to tip the server and explained to him that I was exploring the Obama redistribution of wealth concept. He stood there in disbelief while I told him that I was going to redistribute his tip to someone who I deemed more in need--the homeless guy outside. The server angrily stormed from my sight.

I went outside, gave the homeless guy $10 and told him to thank the server inside as I've decided he could use the money more. The homeless guy was grateful.

At the end of my rather unscientific redistribution experiment I realized the homeless guy was grateful for the money he did not earn, but the waiter was pretty angry that I gave away the money he did earn even though the actual recipient deserved money more.

I guess redistribution of wealth is an easier thing to swallow in concept than in practical application.
This was funny, at least to me.

I pay over 51% of my entire annual income and investment earnings in taxes today (federal, state, cap gains, personal property tax). I find great irony the vast majority of people supporting Mr. Obama do not pay either this rate, or the ridiculous total taxes in dollars I personally pay. It is painful to think my taxes both in raw dollars and tax rate will go up with Mr. Obama in office. How much is enough?

The above story does illustrate one thing related to my future behavior if Mr. Obama is elected. To make up for Mr. Obama taking money out of my pocket, I will give much less to my personal charities, and also be more conservative on other spending habits that does directly help people of lesser means. This does not mean I am not a charitable person. It just means the government taking my money at a higher rate to give money to those less fortunate will mean I give directly less. The government will then be my major designated charity.

Call it a resulting form of wealth redistribution.

PS: Other than the tax thing, I do like Mr. Obama.
You seem to have a better grasp on what you pay in taxes than most people.
Jackie....my exact point.

Many years ago I paid around 20% of my income and paid some $14K in taxes. It hurt, but it was fair.

Today, blessed with far more income. Instead of paying 20% of that income, I pay 51%. If we all had the same tax rate, trust me, I would still pay far more than the average, and it would be fair and in proportion to my income.

The average person voting for Mr. Obama would go absolutely bonkers if their personal tax rate was 51% today of their income versus half that rate they pay (or less). Said another way, an average person making $60K pays around the $14K I paid years ago. Could you imagine all of the people wanting "fairness" paid my tax rate and shelled out $32K of their $60K annual income and Mr. Obama actually had the nerve to ask for more? Somehow, I have a feeling a republican just might win.

Now, before anyone shoots back something to the effect "hey pal. quit your complaining, you seem to make a ton a money" Or "quit griping, I would love to make your money and have that tax problem" My answer to this comeback is simple. I earned every dollar, took many risks, invested well, saved money and made more investments. This took huge effort and my opinion it is insane to grab 51% and soon to be higher proportion of what I worked hard to earn.

PS: Still like Mr. Obama personally and he may not be bad for a million reasons. Also think John just made about the worst VP pick ever. Could anyone honestly really see Palin running a country? I would not hire her as a junior manager trainee in my company. I am not sure what John or even Alaska was thinking with this one. She is kind of good looking. Wish the good ol republican party could have offered up a better alternative than John and the others that did not make it to the final round.

Mr. Obama...hope you have what it takes, looks like "you da man".

Jackie, again, thanks for making me chuckle. Your story framed this single tax issue well.
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Post by Brown Eyed Girl »

shakerofsalt wrote:
buffettbride wrote:
jackiesic wrote:
I guess redistribution of wealth is an easier thing to swallow in concept than in practical application.
So you actually did it or are you re-sharing the same/similar story that was posted on Team Sarah?

How do you know the waiter didn't deserve the money more? Maybe that was a second or third job so he could keep food on the table for his family while the homeless person is a crack-addict kid toucher? Maybe the server is an independent student working his way through college to become a doctor or a lawyer or heaven help us, a minister--and the homeless dude is just lazy.

Seems to me you didn't tip him because your bastardized definition of "redistribution of wealth" made you feel and exercise false superiority toward another individual because of his TIE.

Taxes scare so many people, but there is a cost to live in this country and have the freedoms we do. Just because you are responsible, work hard, and pray to a Christian god doesn't mean you're exempt from paying the costs of being an American (which do sometimes include tax dollars being spent on causes you don't 100% agree with or will ever use...). Hell, my taxes have been paying for public schools for 10 years and until August, I had never taken my child to a public school. During that time I didn't feel like (nor did I feel like my kidless neighbors) I shouldn't have to pay for public schools.
Our school system is in need of financial help. Too many citizens keep voting down the levy because their kids go to private schools, not public so they don't want to pay for public school kids. In my state (I have no idea what your state mandates are), public schools must pay for and provide school nurses, guidance counselors and buses (to name a few) for private schools. Plus, if a child requires special services, public school picks up that tab. Yes, public schools have to pay for services offered at a private school. Unfortunately, the levy commitees haven't done a very good job getting the word out that public school does fund some of the private school services.
Hmmm...speaking for special services...public schools must *offer* FAPE (free and appropriate public education) to private school students with special needs, which means the kid would have to enroll in the public school system to receive those services. My private school students had to come see me for therapy and it was at my convenience, not theirs...and they were limited to a specific number of sessions per year. I won't swear on a stack of oreos, but I'm pretty sure that is federally mandated and not state. That's not to say districts in certain states aren't following the letter of the law...both federal and state ed laws seem to be open to interpretation by some. Then there are the "sue happy" parents who sue districts to get special placements for their kids that the district has to fund. :roll: In those cases a district may indeed end up paying for a private school/facility placement. The only time that *should* come into play is if the district is unable to provide similar programming within the district and it can be proven that it would be detrimental to the child to not receive that service. Unfortuately there are a few rotten apple parents who have twisted that into getting whatever the hell they want...and yeah, they gloat about it. :-?

As for states paying for nurses, counselors etc for private schools, I think that is total BS. School nurses are probably one of the most overworked and underfunded positions in a district, they're spread too thin as it is. Most private schools rake in some serious bucks, they need to shell out the money to contract out for all those services. I have the same issue with head start. They are federally funded and get a whole lot more money than most programs, and yet they expect services to be "donated" (inkind hours) as opposed to helping fund those positions or hiring their own. They majorly impact caseloads but provide no funding to make up for it. :roll:
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Post by diverg »

SDPirate40 wrote:
jackiesic wrote:
SDPirate40 wrote:
jackiesic wrote:I've got run but this was too good not to pass along.....

Today on my way to lunch I passed a homeless guy with a sign that read "Vote Obama, I need the money." I laughed.

Once in the restaurant my server had on a "Obama 08" tie, again I laughed as he had given away his political preference -- just imagine the coincidence.

When the bill came I decided not to tip the server and explained to him that I was exploring the Obama redistribution of wealth concept. He stood there in disbelief while I told him that I was going to redistribute his tip to someone who I deemed more in need--the homeless guy outside. The server angrily stormed from my sight.

I went outside, gave the homeless guy $10 and told him to thank the server inside as I've decided he could use the money more. The homeless guy was grateful.

At the end of my rather unscientific redistribution experiment I realized the homeless guy was grateful for the money he did not earn, but the waiter was pretty angry that I gave away the money he did earn even though the actual recipient deserved money more.

I guess redistribution of wealth is an easier thing to swallow in concept than in practical application.
This was funny, at least to me.

I pay over 51% of my entire annual income and investment earnings in taxes today (federal, state, cap gains, personal property tax). I find great irony the vast majority of people supporting Mr. Obama do not pay either this rate, or the ridiculous total taxes in dollars I personally pay. It is painful to think my taxes both in raw dollars and tax rate will go up with Mr. Obama in office. How much is enough?

The above story does illustrate one thing related to my future behavior if Mr. Obama is elected. To make up for Mr. Obama taking money out of my pocket, I will give much less to my personal charities, and also be more conservative on other spending habits that does directly help people of lesser means. This does not mean I am not a charitable person. It just means the government taking my money at a higher rate to give money to those less fortunate will mean I give directly less. The government will then be my major designated charity.

Call it a resulting form of wealth redistribution.

PS: Other than the tax thing, I do like Mr. Obama.
You seem to have a better grasp on what you pay in taxes than most people.
Jackie....my exact point.

Many years ago I paid around 20% of my income and paid some $14K in taxes. It hurt, but it was fair.

Today, blessed with far more income. Instead of paying 20% of that income, I pay 51%. If we all had the same tax rate, trust me, I would still pay far more than the average, and it would be fair and in proportion to my income.

The average person voting for Mr. Obama would go absolutely bonkers if their personal tax rate was 51% today of their income versus half that rate they pay (or less). Said another way, an average person making $60K pays around the $14K I paid years ago. Could you imagine all of the people wanting "fairness" paid my tax rate and shelled out $32K of their $60K annual income and Mr. Obama actually had the nerve to ask for more? Somehow, I have a feeling a republican just might win.

Now, before anyone shoots back something to the effect "hey pal. quit your complaining, you seem to make a ton a money" Or "quit griping, I would love to make your money and have that tax problem" My answer to this comeback is simple. I earned every dollar, took many risks, invested well, saved money and made more investments. This took huge effort and my opinion it is insane to grab 51% and soon to be higher proportion of what I worked hard to earn.

PS: Still like Mr. Obama personally and he may not be bad for a million reasons. Also think John just made about the worst VP pick ever. Could anyone honestly really see Palin running a country? I would not hire her as a junior manager trainee in my company. I am not sure what John or even Alaska was thinking with this one. She is kind of good looking. Wish the good ol republican party could have offered up a better alternative than John and the others that did not make it to the final round.

Mr. Obama...hope you have what it takes, looks like "you da man".

Jackie, again, thanks for making me chuckle. Your story framed this single tax issue well.
Would you really base a hiring decision on just what you see and hear from an extremely biased media?

Would it not be more prudent to personally interview this person and get to know her. Then you could make a fair decision to see if she was a good fit for your company?
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jackiesic wrote:Okay, is it worse out there this year than in 2004 or have my memories faded?

Woman Attacked At ATM, Assailant Carves Letter Into Her Face

PITTSBURGH -- A 20-year-old woman who was robbed at an ATM in Bloomfield was also maimed by her attacker, police said.

Pittsburgh police spokeswoman Diane Richard tells Channel 4 Action News that the victim was robbed at knifepoint on Wednesday night outside of a Citizens Bank near Liberty Avenue and Pearl Street just before 9 p.m.

Richard said the robber took $60 from the woman, then became angry when he saw a McCain bumper sticker on the victim's car. The attacker then punched and kicked the victim, before using the knife to scratch the letter "B" into her face, Richard said.

Rest of story here:
http://www.thepittsburghchannel.com/new ... etail.html
Michelle Malkin is quite skeptical...

http://michellemalkin.com/2008/10/23/wh ... lly-weird/
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Brian Williams asked Sarah Palin whether Bill Ayers can be considered a terrorist, she said "no question". But when talking about abortion clinic bombers, she said this:

B. WILLIAMS: Is an abortion clinic bomber a terrorist, under this definition, governor?

PALIN: There’s no question that Bill Ayers via his own admittance was one who sought to destroy our U.S. Capitol and our Pentagon. That is a domestic terrorist. There’s no question there. Now, others who would want to engage in harming innocent Americans or facilities that uh, it would be unacceptable. I don’t know if you’re going to use the word terrorist there.
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Martonian wrote:
jackiesic wrote:Okay, is it worse out there this year than in 2004 or have my memories faded?

Woman Attacked At ATM, Assailant Carves Letter Into Her Face

PITTSBURGH -- A 20-year-old woman who was robbed at an ATM in Bloomfield was also maimed by her attacker, police said.

Pittsburgh police spokeswoman Diane Richard tells Channel 4 Action News that the victim was robbed at knifepoint on Wednesday night outside of a Citizens Bank near Liberty Avenue and Pearl Street just before 9 p.m.

Richard said the robber took $60 from the woman, then became angry when he saw a McCain bumper sticker on the victim's car. The attacker then punched and kicked the victim, before using the knife to scratch the letter "B" into her face, Richard said.

Rest of story here:
http://www.thepittsburghchannel.com/new ... etail.html
Michelle Malkin is quite skeptical...

http://michellemalkin.com/2008/10/23/wh ... lly-weird/
This would be a shocking crime... if it didn't have all the hallmarks of a hoax
Have you seen the photo of the female "victim"???

The "B" is scratched in BACKWARDS :o
which is the result you and would see if this done while standing in front of a mirror!

This is utter BS, and this kind of race-baiting is exactly the thing I feared could happen in parts of the country.
what's next?... a lynch mob? :-? :-? :-?
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diverg wrote:
SDPirate40 wrote:
jackiesic wrote:
SDPirate40 wrote:
jackiesic wrote:I've got run but this was too good not to pass along.....

Today on my way to lunch I passed a homeless guy with a sign that read "Vote Obama, I need the money." I laughed.

Once in the restaurant my server had on a "Obama 08" tie, again I laughed as he had given away his political preference -- just imagine the coincidence.

When the bill came I decided not to tip the server and explained to him that I was exploring the Obama redistribution of wealth concept. He stood there in disbelief while I told him that I was going to redistribute his tip to someone who I deemed more in need--the homeless guy outside. The server angrily stormed from my sight.

I went outside, gave the homeless guy $10 and told him to thank the server inside as I've decided he could use the money more. The homeless guy was grateful.

At the end of my rather unscientific redistribution experiment I realized the homeless guy was grateful for the money he did not earn, but the waiter was pretty angry that I gave away the money he did earn even though the actual recipient deserved money more.

I guess redistribution of wealth is an easier thing to swallow in concept than in practical application.
This was funny, at least to me.

I pay over 51% of my entire annual income and investment earnings in taxes today (federal, state, cap gains, personal property tax). I find great irony the vast majority of people supporting Mr. Obama do not pay either this rate, or the ridiculous total taxes in dollars I personally pay. It is painful to think my taxes both in raw dollars and tax rate will go up with Mr. Obama in office. How much is enough?

The above story does illustrate one thing related to my future behavior if Mr. Obama is elected. To make up for Mr. Obama taking money out of my pocket, I will give much less to my personal charities, and also be more conservative on other spending habits that does directly help people of lesser means. This does not mean I am not a charitable person. It just means the government taking my money at a higher rate to give money to those less fortunate will mean I give directly less. The government will then be my major designated charity.

Call it a resulting form of wealth redistribution.

PS: Other than the tax thing, I do like Mr. Obama.
You seem to have a better grasp on what you pay in taxes than most people.
Jackie....my exact point.

Many years ago I paid around 20% of my income and paid some $14K in taxes. It hurt, but it was fair.

Today, blessed with far more income. Instead of paying 20% of that income, I pay 51%. If we all had the same tax rate, trust me, I would still pay far more than the average, and it would be fair and in proportion to my income.

The average person voting for Mr. Obama would go absolutely bonkers if their personal tax rate was 51% today of their income versus half that rate they pay (or less). Said another way, an average person making $60K pays around the $14K I paid years ago. Could you imagine all of the people wanting "fairness" paid my tax rate and shelled out $32K of their $60K annual income and Mr. Obama actually had the nerve to ask for more? Somehow, I have a feeling a republican just might win.

Now, before anyone shoots back something to the effect "hey pal. quit your complaining, you seem to make a ton a money" Or "quit griping, I would love to make your money and have that tax problem" My answer to this comeback is simple. I earned every dollar, took many risks, invested well, saved money and made more investments. This took huge effort and my opinion it is insane to grab 51% and soon to be higher proportion of what I worked hard to earn.

PS: Still like Mr. Obama personally and he may not be bad for a million reasons. Also think John just made about the worst VP pick ever. Could anyone honestly really see Palin running a country? I would not hire her as a junior manager trainee in my company. I am not sure what John or even Alaska was thinking with this one. She is kind of good looking. Wish the good ol republican party could have offered up a better alternative than John and the others that did not make it to the final round.

Mr. Obama...hope you have what it takes, looks like "you da man".

Jackie, again, thanks for making me chuckle. Your story framed this single tax issue well.
Would you really base a hiring decision on just what you see and hear from an extremely biased media?

Would it not be more prudent to personally interview this person and get to know her. Then you could make a fair decision to see if she was a good fit for your company?
You're right.
I think spending less than...or about... 3 hours with a person is all ANYBODY really needs to vet a possible running mate. :o :-? :roll:
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