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I for one think things will be at full capacity, or safe to be, in the fall, maybe late summer. Providing knuckle heads don't cause a variant to ignore the vaccine.

moog wrote: ↑March 2, 2021 8:06 pm I for one think things will be at full capacity, or safe to be, in the fall, maybe late summer. Providing knuckle heads don't cause a variant to ignore the vaccine.

President Biden pretty clearly and definitively stated everyone in the USA will have access to vaccinations by the end of May. I think you might be right.

tailgaitingph wrote: ↑March 2, 2021 4:21 pm

drunkpirate66 wrote: ↑March 2, 2021 4:08 pm Exactly my point. “Significant amount of doubt.” Jimmy knows if he is touring or not. So I’ll ask again . . . why don’t the fans know? If he communicated that with us, while telling us of all his worldly travels on social media, there wouldn’t be any doubt.

In summary . . . end the doubt Jimmy. Responsibility lies on you to communicate not on fans to guess.

This! I have never agreed with you more!! He really needs to put something out, 1 way or the other...

Opinions may vary but I think it would be the respectful thing for him to do.

tailgaitingph wrote: ↑March 2, 2021 5:39 pm

TommyBahama wrote: ↑March 2, 2021 5:34 pm There is a June date where the Mayer Brothers are scheduled to play a festival in Chicago. When Buffett is scheduled in Virginia the same night, That may tell you something.

Not sure what you're speaking of, Buffett's next 'scheduled show' for VA is in Aug...

Sorry it's a event called Summer Chill in Chicago Aug. 5th - 8th. I had the dates wrong. It was on FB and that is where I saw the conflict.

There is an article on the WSJ's website that says some acts have confirmed venues and tour dates but promoters are waiting "for clearance from authorities before they say anything."

There could be a multitude of reasons why there has been nothing said about any potential Buffett tour. As always, I am sure it mostly has to do with money.

But I also would not be surprised if Buffett is having problems getting into venues. Take Jones Beach for example. It is a semi-popular venue for him, but he does not sell out and his shows are now mid-week. What if Jones Beach is only allowed to have 2 or 3 shows per week? Are they going to take Buffett over another potentially more popular act? What if they offer Buffett a Monday or Wednesday as opposed to his preferred Tues/Thurs? Or, more likely, what if the venues says they will not pay him as much because after a year off does anyone really think there will be an increase in attendance? After being quarantined for about a year, I highly doubt many people are thinking "the first thing I want to do is go see a Jimmy Buffett concert."

I am sure there will be concerts. I am sure he and his team are going to tell as as soon as things are confirmed. It is in their best interest to do so.

drunkpirate66 wrote: ↑March 2, 2021 4:08 pmExactly my point. “Significant amount of doubt.” Jimmy knows if he is touring or not. So I’ll ask again . . . why don’t the fans know? If he communicated that with us, while telling us of all his worldly travels on social media, there wouldn’t be any doubt.

In summary . . . end the doubt Jimmy. Responsibility lies on you to communicate not on fans to guess.

I actually kind of like the suspense....we will find out an answer soon. But then again, I don't actually have tickets to any of these shows (and wouldn't want to attend them if masking is still required) so nothing is at stake for me there. Jimmy definitely knows whether he plans to tour at some point this year or not. However, it makes sense to wait to put out an official announcement on social media until all the specifics are worked out. A lottery system for who gets to attend and who doesn't also makes sense if it's a limited capacity venue.

jbfins wrote: ↑March 3, 2021 9:37 amAfter being quarantined for about a year, I highly doubt many people are thinking "the first thing I want to do is go see a Jimmy Buffett concert."

That statement is accurate, in the sense that most people wouldn't want to go out and actually attend a Jimmy Buffett concert right now or even this summer. However, I can guarantee you that every Parrothead on the planet wants shows to return as soon as possible so they can hear a Jimmy Buffett concert on Radio Margaritaville/Marg TV right now!

If he was going to start a tour in 5 weeks he and the CRB would probably be in rehearsals or close to getting together for rehearsals. I think it is very unlikely he tours at all this summer. They are probably just getting every reset for later in 2021 or for 2022 before making a blanket announcement. As Tom pointed out Peter and Jim Mayer and their band PB&J are headlining the Summer Chill Music Festival on August 7, 2021 the same night Buffett is scheduled in Virginia (https://www.summerchi-ill.com/schedule) . That all but tells you the band has been told there will be none or very limited Buffett summer shows.

Hee, this will be the most advance I ever had tickets for a show. Three years in advance

For me, I haven not missed a Buffett Great Woods show since I'd guess 1996 or 1997 when he used to play 4-5 shows in a week back then I went to all but 1 show that year. My first GW show was 1993 and I am pretty sure I have attended all but two of his GW shows since then. I may have missed one in 95 and the other one I mentioned in 96/97. But I have def seen him every year he has played in GW which brings us to this year. IF the show happens on 8/14 I can't make it. It pains me to ever write those words, I even have my 4 lawn tickets right on my desk That I'll need to dump off, hard old school tickets. But two great friends of mine who meet through me and I setup on a 1st date a few years back are getting married and they picked 8/14 as their wedding date and I am part of the wedding. I have gone though all the scenarios, go to the the tailgate and leave early for the wedding - leave the wedding early and head to the show. Hire a callgirl and plant her in the guys rooms so the wedding gets called off.. but none seem feasible. So my vested interest in a show happening at Great Woods this summer is a but toned down, I hope it happens for all of you but if it doesn't happen I'm OK with that too.

BottleofRum wrote: ↑March 3, 2021 8:01 pm For me, I haven not missed a Buffett Great Woods show since I'd guess 1996 or 1997 when he used to play 4-5 shows in a week back then I went to all but 1 show that year. My first GW show was 1993 and I am pretty sure I have attended all but two of his GW shows since then. I may have missed one in 95 and the other one I mentioned in 96/97. But I have def seen him every year he has played in GW which brings us to this year. IF the show happens on 8/14 I can't make it. It pains me to ever write those words, I even have my 4 lawn tickets right on my desk That I'll need to dump off, hard old school tickets. But two great friends of mine who meet through me and I setup on a 1st date a few years back are getting married and they picked 8/14 as their wedding date and I am part of the wedding. I have gone though all the scenarios, go to the the tailgate and leave early for the wedding - leave the wedding early and head to the show. Hire a callgirl and plant her in the guys rooms so the wedding gets called off.. but none seem feasible. So my vested interest in a show happening at Great Woods this summer is a but toned down, I hope it happens for all of you but if it doesn't happen I'm OK with that too.

2022 will rule!

Detective work:

If he isn’t planning on touring until after August 7th (because the Virginia show isn’t happening) then it’s doubtful he actually plays the 3 remaining “summer” dates after: Jones Beach, Camden, Great Woods.

Then in September there are two Red Rock shows. That’s it before Europe. Very doubtful Europe shows happen. So would he play the Red Rocks dates by themselves?

Best guess for currently scheduled tour dates looks like December 4th in Tampa.

BottleofRum wrote: ↑March 3, 2021 8:01 pm For me, I haven not missed a Buffett Great Woods show since I'd guess 1996 or 1997 when he used to play 4-5 shows in a week back then I went to all but 1 show that year. My first GW show was 1993 and I am pretty sure I have attended all but two of his GW shows since then. I may have missed one in 95 and the other one I mentioned in 96/97. But I have def seen him every year he has played in GW which brings us to this year. IF the show happens on 8/14 I can't make it. It pains me to ever write those words, I even have my 4 lawn tickets right on my desk That I'll need to dump off, hard old school tickets. But two great friends of mine who meet through me and I setup on a 1st date a few years back are getting married and they picked 8/14 as their wedding date and I am part of the wedding. I have gone though all the scenarios, go to the the tailgate and leave early for the wedding - leave the wedding early and head to the show. Hire a callgirl and plant her in the guys rooms so the wedding gets called off.. but none seem feasible. So my vested interest in a show happening at Great Woods this summer is a but toned down, I hope it happens for all of you but if it doesn't happen I'm OK with that too.

Didn't they know the Buffett date? I think they should have checked with you, before setting a wedding date. To Jon's point. Jimmy Band members have been scheduled to play elsewhere, just to get pulled back into the tour. But, i don't see it this year. Would Jimmy do small venues / Theaters with a downsized band or solo?

drunkpirate66 wrote: ↑March 3, 2021 8:45 pmIf he isn’t planning on touring until after August 7th (because the Virginia show isn’t happening) then it’s doubtful he actually plays the 3 remaining “summer” dates after: Jones Beach, Camden, Great Woods.

Then in September there are two Red Rock shows. That’s it before Europe. Very doubtful Europe shows happen. So would he play the Red Rocks dates by themselves?

Best guess for currently scheduled tour dates looks like December 4th in Tampa.

It is very conceivable that he could end up playing some of the currently scheduled late summer dates and not others. If the large majority of Americans have been vaccinated by late May/early June and it is safe for 50% capacity crowds to return by late summer, then why wouldn't he go ahead with some of the August shows (even potentially ones that aren't currently scheduled to take place)? If the conditions were safe enough by then and he still didn't play at least a few shows, that wouldn't make sense. Jimmy could easily find another CRB member to replace Peter Mayer if he is occupied touring with another act. European shows won't happen in 21- almost guaranteed. But waiting until December in Tampa to start back up again would be unwise if things are mostly clear before then. Whenever it is safe to return, he should return period. He stands to lose too much money otherwise. We all miss his shows so badly and Jimmy obviously knows that. Maybe when the dust has finally settled and everything is clear, things will be better off than we might fear.

TommyBahama wrote: ↑March 4, 2021 7:19 am Didn't they know the Buffett date? I think they should have checked with you, before setting a wedding date. To Jon's point. Jimmy Band members have been scheduled to play elsewhere, just to get pulled back into the tour. But, i don't see it this year. Would Jimmy do small venues / Theaters with a downsized band or solo?

Even worse, the guy was invited to the concert and said he'd go, their plan was a 2022 wedding but their dream spot to get married opened up so I can't argue with love.

Regrading the rest of the summer tour, I think it is more of an issue of capacity and selling tickets. Some venues will not be fully open until the fall and lets face it, the last few years Buffett has struggled to sell out many of his shows. With an almost certain no/limited tailgating mandate it won't help sales.

atmarler26 wrote: ↑March 4, 2021 12:45 pm

drunkpirate66 wrote: ↑March 3, 2021 8:45 pmIf he isn’t planning on touring until after August 7th (because the Virginia show isn’t happening) then it’s doubtful he actually plays the 3 remaining “summer” dates after: Jones Beach, Camden, Great Woods.

Then in September there are two Red Rock shows. That’s it before Europe. Very doubtful Europe shows happen. So would he play the Red Rocks dates by themselves?

Best guess for currently scheduled tour dates looks like December 4th in Tampa.

It is very conceivable that he could end up playing some of the currently scheduled late summer dates and not others. If the large majority of Americans have been vaccinated by late May/early June and it is safe for 50% capacity crowds to return by late summer, then why wouldn't he go ahead with some of the August shows (even potentially ones that aren't currently scheduled to take place)? If the conditions were safe enough by then and he still didn't play at least a few shows, that wouldn't make sense. Jimmy could easily find another CRB member to replace Peter Mayer if he is occupied touring with another act. European shows won't happen in 21- almost guaranteed. But waiting until December in Tampa to start back up again would be unwise if things are mostly clear before then. Whenever it is safe to return, he should return period. He stands to lose too much money otherwise. We all miss his shows so badly and Jimmy obviously knows that. Maybe when the dust has finally settled and everything is clear, things will be better off than we might fear.

Here is where the issue is. Some fans already have tickets. How many are sold, I'm not sure. But if it's more than 50%. Who gets in and who doesn't? Unless they refund tickets, they re -sell them.

I don't see Buffett doing any shows unless venues are open at 100% capacity. Without a full house, or as close as he can get to a full house, it's a money loser. Why would any musician go out on the road if they're going to lose money?

LIPH wrote: ↑March 4, 2021 8:00 pm I don't see Buffett doing any shows unless venues are open at 100% capacity. Without a full house, or as close as he can get to a full house, it's a money loser. Why would any musician go out on the road if they're going to lose money?

Thinking the same thing, Larry.

LIPH wrote: ↑March 4, 2021 8:00 pm I don't see Buffett doing any shows unless venues are open at 100% capacity. Without a full house, or as close as he can get to a full house, it's a money loser. Why would any musician go out on the road if they're going to lose money?

Disagree. Wouldn't a show at a 70% capacity venue bring in far more revenue for him than no shows at all? Plus, every concert that is broadcasted on RM/Marg TV brings more attention to his overall brand and thus earns him more money regardless of whether the attendance at the actual show is full capacity or not. Why would a no tailgating mandate hurt ticket sales at this point if people have already known for months that tailgating realistically isn't going to happen? People would be rejoicing if his concerts return at some point in '21 and thus would want to buy tickets (as long as they're willing to wear masks to attend) even if the normal concert experience with tailgating is not fully intact. The three late summer dates at Great Woods, Jones Beach, etc could easily be moved to fall without a problem if need be. Sure, a Great Woods show that isn't during summertime isn't quite the same but pretty much everything in our world right now is different than what we're accustomed to. So a September or October show at GW would be just fine by me.

BOR wrote that Buffett struggled to sell out some of his shows even in a normal year like 2019? That doesn't make sense. Sure, his music gets older as we get further into the future but that shouldn't lead to a decline the number of people who are interested in attending his concerts.

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Buffett has struggled to sellout out most of his shows the last several years. It is why he cut back on doing multiple shows in one location. People used to go who really didn't know much about Buffett, they went for the party and the tailgating. Over the last several years more and country crossover acts have developed a Buffett like following geared towards the younger generation who now go to these shows to party and tailgate and hear music they are more into. And with Buffett face value tickets averaging well over $100 a piece a casual fans are not going to pay that much when they can pay that or less to see an artist whose music they like better. It's not a knock on him but the fact is the last few years if you decided the week or day before or day of a Buffett concert that you wanted to go there were plenty of tickets available at face value though the venue or below face value on the secondary market.

I also don't think he will perform any shows if capacity is limited due to COVID restrictions. Buffett doesn't need the brand recognition especially when the cost to put on a show is static for his band, crew, logistics and other expenses.

BottleofRum wrote: ↑March 5, 2021 1:44 pm ^^^
Buffett has struggled to sellout out most of his shows the last several years. It is why he cut back on doing multiple shows in one location. People used to go who really didn't know much about Buffett, they went for the party and the tailgating. Over the last several years more and country crossover acts have developed a Buffett like following geared towards the younger generation who now go to these shows to party and tailgate and hear music they are more into. And with Buffett face value tickets averaging well over $100 a piece a casual fans are not going to pay that much when they can pay that or less to see an artist whose music they like better. It's not a knock on him but the fact is the last few years if you decided the week or day before or day of a Buffett concert that you wanted to go there were plenty of tickets available at face value though the venue or below face value on the secondary market.

I also don't think he will perform any shows if capacity is limited due to COVID restrictions. Buffett doesn't need the brand recognition especially when the cost to put on a show is static for his band, crew, logistics and other expenses.

There is WAY too much at stake here for Jimmy to still not perform any shows this year even if it becomes safe enough to perform them. His first concert back since COVID will be a monumental occasion regardless of where it is located. The audio of it could be released commercially as a CD and I'm sure it would sell quite well even many years from now. If he waits until 2022 when it is safe enough to do it in 2021, then the significance of the occasion would be diminished.

You say Buffett is losing an audience to other newer acts like Zac Brown which also have cult followings, and then you say he doesn't need the brand recognition? Seems to be contradictory. At a time like this when concerts have been on hold for so long, he needs the brand recognition more than ever. Dave Matthews (I like some of his songs, but not a really huge fan overall) used to play at the Meadows in Hartford every year and that was the hottest ticket around for every single teenager in the Hartford area. There was a ton of partying going on there. But teenagers have never been Buffett's primary target audience- "Please take your 15 year old Girlfriend home", LOL. There are still more than enough diehard PH's out there from the middle age/older crowd that if he played just two or three shows this fall, every single one of them would become a more attractive ticket. I wouldn't even think about actually attending them if masking is still required, but many other people who are more comfortable with it would.