A thought, comment and input welcome

jkortum · Post by **jkortum** » August 13, 2003 10:15 am

12vmanRick wrote:
aquaholic wrote:I like NADIRAH.......................30 year PH............Our twins birthday was today........congrats JACK AND DELANEYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!

daddymention wrote:I LOVE NADIRAH!!!
If I wasn't married, she'd be the one I would chase!!!

reefdiver wrote:Nadirah has an AWESOME voice !!!!

For the record, when I started this thread I meant it to have very little to do with my thoughts on Nadirah but wanted comments about the #1 and what it might do to ticket sales. Specifically how it migh bring in more people that had no clue about Buffett but would actually make it harder for real parrotheads to get tickets.

But a lot of people only stopped at my comment on Nadirah. Which I only used to illistrustrate why I posed the thought on the ticket sales.

But it does seem that by a vast majority, on here anyway, that more like her sound than not.

OK 12vmanRick here is goes.....

Short but sweet.. I do like Nadirah, but she does scream occasionally...

As for the #1 record... I really don't think anything will change... Like Jimmy said, #1 records don't mean a thing... He is already too popular...
Getting tickets to the concert is like pulling teeth.... As big of a Jimmy freak that I am, the song is still a Alan Jackson song, and that is why it is #1. I really don't think this record is going to bring that many more new people to the concert. Plus it's not the ordinary people we have to worry about for tickets, it's the scalpers that kill us. Jimmy really needs to do some kind of pre sale thing just for the real fans. Maybe just for people who are in Parrothead clubs.. Just my two cents.......

12vmanRick · Post by **12vmanRick** » August 13, 2003 10:30 am

Thanks. Not that other comments focusing on Nadirah wasn't appreciated. I just really wanted to be able to view or think about that ticket/#1 situation from another point of view.

Rick

SmartWomaninShortSkirt · August 13, 2003 1:49 pm

msu#1 wrote:I actually had a older woman say to me at the Detroit show this year, "You know all the words dont you?"

I said "Yes I do"

She responded with a roll of her eyes "I suppose your gonna sing them too"

Man watta b****!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That's the ***** I cant stand, its a concert, its buffett, I dont mind new fans but I cant stand the ones who think there in for a night at the opera

What a crazy lady! Probably jealous that she couldn't sing. Probably made her feel self-conscious that she was the one of the ones who COULDN'T sing along...

ragtopW · Post by **ragtopW** » August 13, 2003 6:42 pm

12voltmanRick, check out my post, rant, diatribe?? on the link
The Big Ol' Ticket Dilemma, Easily Solved. . . .
it would be slow but I have thought of this issue many times
the biggest hole to plug is the folks that have access to the tickets
many of them make many times their pay when they have OUR tickets
printed the day prior to the show going on. I have been in the Bay when
guys are standing selling legit tickets 1/2 hour before ticketbasterd
opened.. makes you think huh???

Key Lime Lee · Post by **Key Lime Lee** » August 13, 2003 8:16 pm

As long as Jimmy plays large venues that are owned by corporations that also rely on corporate sponsorship, then large blocks of tickets are going to be given away to those corporations. That's just business. Like it or don't like it - it's not going to change.

Jimmy could play SMALLER venues (read: not CC owned), but then there would fewer tix available as a result of the size.

As has been discussed ad nauseum on these boards it's a matter of supply and demand. Tickets got much harder to get right around the time that Jimmy started playing fewer shows. Go figure. Remember when summer tour was ALL summer and Great Woods had three dates? For those of us in New England, he also played Hartford. That was four chances to see him - now with his reduced schedule, we have two. Simple math would suggest it might be twice as hard to get tix now.

And the casual fans vs true fans is always a slippery slope. I didn't go to my first Buffett show until 94 and honestly, I went for the party. Does that mean that I shouldn't have been allowed to go? Or that I'm STILL not a true fan?

As far as country: I don't think Alan Jackson's number one song is going to drive droves of country music fans to come see a Buffett show... I think it's generous to truly call that a Jackson-Buffett collaboration when Jimmy didn't write it and he only sings on a short verse at the end. Glad to see him in a contemporary video but let's not pretend that JIMMY has a country hit. Alan Jackson has a country hit that JB sings on. I suspect it's made more Buffett fans take notice of Jackson than vice versa.

And Barometer Soup and Banana Wind were mostly a Mayer Brothers affair, not the whole Reefer Band. I love those two records, but...

iuparrothead · Post by **iuparrothead** » August 14, 2003 12:23 pm

Key Lime Lee wrote:And the casual fans vs true fans is always a slippery slope. I didn't go to my first Buffett show until 94 and honestly, I went for the party. Does that mean that I shouldn't have been allowed to go? Or that I'm STILL not a true fan?

Very well said, as always, Lee! Remember that many of us that would consider ourselves real parrotheads now, started off as that drunken idiot that only knew the SYKBH...now I know a lot more songs, I live a much more parrothead lifestyle, but I'm still a drunken idiot

...but I began as the person we are annoyed with now...although I never got into a fight...

Concerning the ticket problem...Lee's right on it again...there are fewer tickets to go around for as many people that want to go to the shows...it's a kind of put up or shut up kind of thing...(and I don't mean that in a nasty way!

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pbans · Post by **pbans** » August 14, 2003 11:16 pm

And the casual fans vs true fans is always a slippery slope. I didn't go to my first Buffett show until 94 and honestly, I went for the party. Does that mean that I shouldn't have been allowed to go? Or that I'm STILL not a true fan?

I'm new to this great phlock.....have been sticking a fin in the water once in awhile and found it to be just right.....

My "love", next to JB, of course....is motorcycling. Just returned from Sturgis, SD...the Mecca of all thing Harley. Checked out a few of the Sturgis boards and what to my wondering eyes should appear....but a discussion about "posers" vs "bikers"....who should be there and who shouldn't.....and a discussion about prices and how the "yuppie bikers" have priced things through the roof.....some talk about corporate greed and the almighty dollar.....sound familiar???

Times have changed for sailors these days.......

As $$$ and popularity enter in to ANYTHING....it changes. It doesn't automatically mean better or worse...but it definately means DIFFERENT!
It is hard to get tickets to a show....and it's expensive....esp when you factor in travel for those of us who don't live close to a frequent venue....and you either do it or you don't!

Just an opinion from a new (to the board, not to the attitude) Parrothead!!

spooner the dog · Post by **spooner the dog** » August 14, 2003 11:30 pm

ok i think nadera is fantastic!!!
on the second paragraph i must say i kinda agree with yer comments..posers bug me alot..it seems like its trendy to go to buffett shows..the people who listen to rap( yes ive seen them at tailgates) drive me nuts..the ones who only know songs u know by heart.. i deal with them.. cause they may be on the transiton to the deeper meanign of buffet and what a parrothead truely is ..i have delt with some punks at the concerts but hey i ignore them and concentrate an the real pholks that go there and beleive me i have met more great people at the concerts that i can even explain.. so i say ignore the posers and party with the phlock

sirgumby77 · Post by **sirgumby77** » August 15, 2003 12:46 am

I personally dont like nadierah either, just something bout her voice that annoys me. I think she should go back to Arrested Developent, and try a comeback with them, which leads into my next wish.... I wish Jimmy could just do an entire year of a stripped down tour. You know maybe just Him and Mac together for the whole entire tour----close to 3 hours of just acoustic rock, now that would be a great thing.

Now for the ticket part again. Yes I do admit it is getting harder for tickets, esp for people who have to sit in the pavillion, for lawn seats--those are usually pretty easy to pick up, since now most venues will even overbook venues ( out here in the midwest---the smallest venue besides Pine Knob ( which he has only played once since 2000 is Indy, which fits 25,000 people in, I know that is a lot more then say the Houston or Dallas venue that only fits 15,500. Pretty much Beggars cant be choosers. I learned that mistake for Vegas, I did wait too long to get the seats I wanted, But i did luck out, I did get my 2 tickets in the 100 dollar range---but they arent side by side, but they ARE right in front of each other... Like i said I took them because Beggars cant be choosers.

phjrsaunt · Post by **phjrsaunt** » August 15, 2003 8:07 am

Tiki Bar wrote:I think Nadirah is very talented, and I like her in the Reefers...

I HATE that tickets are so hard to get, and that so many are given to Joe Blows that aren't fans, but have the corporate connection.

I am aware of the trendiness of Buffett concerts, specifically in affluent suburban high school districts, where the spoiled children of well-off parents go unsupervised in a large group via limo to the concerts just because it's "cool", and sit in the good seats barely knowing the words to SYKBH. (I was born a poor black child , and I'm just sooooo jealous, esp since I can't afford to do that as an adult!)

I am thrilled he hit #1, but also worry that all of the exposure will make it that much harder to get tickets, and the shows will be inundated with so many more people there for the party more than the music.

But I love the party, I love the music, and maybe he will touch some of the newcomers the way only his music can, and the planet will have that many more happy campers inhabiting it! And maybe we may cross pathts and become phriends! Everyone of us started somewhere. Focus on the positive!

I've been enjoying reading ALL the comments in here. But Tiki's allusion to Steve Martin in "The Jerk" caught me off guard and literally made me spew coffee out my nose!!!!!!!!!!

("The new phone books are here! The new phone books are here!")

As long as Jimmy's in the band, I'm pretty happy.

12vmanRick · Post by **12vmanRick** » August 15, 2003 9:44 am

sirgumby77 wrote:I personally dont like nadierah either, just something bout her voice that annoys me. I think she should go back to Arrested Developent, and try a comeback with them, which leads into my next wish.... I wish Jimmy could just do an entire year of a stripped down tour. You know maybe just Him and Mac together for the whole entire tour----close to 3 hours of just acoustic rock, now that would be a great thing.

I agree and GREAT suggestion with the Jimmy/Mac !!!

Mac's Personal Stalker · August 15, 2003 12:16 pm

12vmanRick wrote: GREAT suggestion with the Jimmy/Mac !!!

Yeah..... Mac doin' a years worth of shows!!!!! Sounds great!!!!!

I'm not too sure about that Jimmy guy......

I think he's a little over rated....

Floridaze · Post by **Floridaze** » August 15, 2003 12:32 pm

bixxx wrote:jimmy is forever changing his sound i really miss fingers, many of the songs need to harp. Amy Lee does a great job with sax and doyle with the slide, but the harp is needed maybe it will come back on the next album, which is suppose to be country

I agree with bixxx...Jimmy and the harp seem to go hand-in-hand...When you hear that harp come in on certain songs, it just brings back so many good memories. I still love the new songs but would love to hear the harp again...

citcat · Post by **citcat** » August 15, 2003 12:49 pm

I have to admit, whenever Jimmy or Margaritaville or Parrotheads are mentioned in movies, television, the news, other people's songs, etc...I have a swell of pride because I'm a Parrothead and it enables the people around me to understand just a little where I'm coming from. They "get" just a little more why my car has a Parrothead license plate, a Fins UP magnet on the back and a lei on my rear view mirror, why I play his music most all of the time, why I have 9 hawaiian shirts, and why I get so excited when planning to go to a concert. BUT it sends a chill up my spine when I realize every mention, the cooler JB gets, the harder it will be to get tickets. Yes, the people going just to party will probably either lose the novelty-rush or become good solid fans like most of us are. But ticket-time now already calls for extreme methods or mucho money, not to mention a bottle of Tums.

This last Feb., after I successfully got pavilion tickets, I so needed to calm down, I actually took a swig of gin at 10:00 am ~!!!!!!

I am already formulating plans for getting tickets next year, there are now FOURTEEN people and counting who will go with us. Maybe I should keep my mouth shut about how much fun it is to go to a concert, and keep my pictures hidden!!!!!!!!!!!!!! kidding!!!!

mikess · Post by **mikess** » August 15, 2003 12:53 pm

Howdy Phreinds!!

As far as Nadirah goes, I could do without her on SOASOAS, but in concert she does add to the show.

With the new crowds and tickets, I dont think they will effect the buying and selling anymore than the f**king brokers have already.

I would said the sponsers and brokers have 3/4 of the tickets before the show even starts selling. And the non-phans really p*** me off!!! They are a waste of space! I saw heards of high school/college kids in Hotlanta, just there because they heard there might be some drunk naked women. THEY DON'T EVEN WEAR HAWIIAN SHIRTS, DAMN IT!!!!!

And I think the band really needs a Harpman. There are many awesome harpist out there. Some even better than Fingers.

thetacoman · Post by **thetacoman** » August 15, 2003 3:37 pm

Hey 12...Here are my thoughts...I have followed JB since 1979 an been a member of 2 Parrothead clubs, currently Las Vegas. I think he is just trying to keep the band fresh. The original is usually the best and I wish some of the "Old Reefers" were still in the band. The harp does need to come back. I have always been able to get the caliber of tickets wanted for each venue. We have Ticketmaster outlets in the grocery stores that alot of people don't seem to know about...1st in line the last 3 years. We are lucky to see him twice this year and MGM Grand is a great place for a concert and we will soon have a Margaritaville here so I guess alot of it has to do with where you are able to see him.

Key Lime Lee · Post by **Key Lime Lee** » August 15, 2003 4:47 pm

spooner the dog wrote:the people who listen to rap( yes ive seen them at tailgates) drive me nuts..

Damn... guess I'm not a parrothead. Do I have to give my hawaiian shirt back now?