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hey, I'm new cause I never had the nerve to talk on one of these, I always read them and yes I live in Mass without many country stations. I dont like the severe country with the people with the twangs if you know what I mean. Alan Jackson has one. I thought 5 oclock was a cute novelity and that was all well and good but more of the same will be doing it to death. I dont like some of Jimmys very early stuff either, kinda pick and choose. I do like Mac and Jerry Jeff and you could say they are country but to me its different.

12 lb. nestle crunch wrote:im going to get serious for a moment here...

a lot of pholks are saying "should jimmy do what he wants?" and the answer is HELL NO. we are the ones that bought jimmys planes, boats, cars, and everything else he owns. if he doesnt please us, than he is broke. you have to remember that jimmy is a business man. entrepreneurs have one goal in mind: to make money.

so of course jimmy would release a country album immediatly after he has this huge country hit. its gauranteed income from a new flock of people. jimmy has said himself that he has weathered 3 failed attempts at a country career. maybe he should take the hint: country is not for you!!

about going back to his roots, i feel jimmy should go back to his roots (if he wants to). but i think his roots are the roots of his success; old school beach music, like son of a son, havana daydreamin' etc etc.

Just a thought.. aren't his roots country but his roots of success what people have dubbed Caribbean Country ?

msu#1 wrote:

jklivin wrote:How can anyone say JB hasn't sold out?? He is more CEO than singer....why do you think Fingers and Mac left?? Mac came back, but Its no secret that JB's focus is more about the $ than the music. Its a sad truth and reflected in his recent musical and literary offerings.

Is it me or does it seem like the people who hate this "new" jimmy are newbies to the site, and people who just hate country

I'd like to see a geographic break down of people who like the song and those who hate it, I'd guess people who live in bigger cities where there are few country radio stations are the ones who dont like it, and those that do live in areas where country radio is easily available.

call me a newbie if you want, since i dont have 209875039857309857 posts. but i am not saying that i hate the song, or what jimmy's doing, or whatever. What i AM saying is that i dont think it would be the same going to a concert and everyone at the tailgate was dressed in boots and cowboy hats.

Equal rights for newbies!!!!
What difference does it make WHERE you live, if you don't like country music??!!??
(P.S. I also don't like: brussel sprouts, tea, mint jelly, pigs feet, etc., so don't try to get me "into" those, either!!! )

[quote="bananaman"]Before we pass all this judgement, lest we forget his other not so wonderful previous albums. Hot Water, Off to see the lizard, etc. As much as we hate to admit it, ALL of his music doesn't grow on us. There's plenty of songs I pass over on my cd player to get to my favorites, and I'm sure all of you do the same thing. Let's face it, this MAY just be one of those not so great albums(it's been a while since he had one) that doesn't get as much playtime as others.


Wait a minute. First of all Hot Water and Off To See The Lizard are great albums.Now that may just be my opinion on the matter but, for you to say that he hasn't had a bad album in a long time is very far fetched.Based on the amount of posts i've read the majority of the fans thought Beach House on The Moon was a flop as well as its predecessor(spelling) Don't Stop the Carnival.And if you really want to analyze it, it was right after those albums that Jimmy started to branch off and use more outside writers and cover songs.Not to mention that there was a long absence between Beach House and Far Side of the World.It makes me wonder if he is losing interest in his individual band members writing style(with the exception of Mac) or he himself doesn't want to bother.It always comes down to money and right now its fair to say that he is cashing in on the success of somebody else's song.If that weren't the case then why would the songs sound and content be similiar to 5'o'clock and the album include so many guest artists including Alan Jackson?This is my opinion here only and i will say that its been a steady downhill regression since 1996's Banana Wind.This new album does have serious potential to be very successfull.This isn't like Jimmy is pulling out some no name artists.He's grabbing the big league guys of country music.
And for this fan that could negatively effect what parrotheads have come to love.

12vmanRick wrote:

12 lb. nestle crunch wrote:im going to get serious for a moment here...

a lot of pholks are saying "should jimmy do what he wants?" and the answer is HELL NO. we are the ones that bought jimmys planes, boats, cars, and everything else he owns. if he doesnt please us, than he is broke. you have to remember that jimmy is a business man. entrepreneurs have one goal in mind: to make money.

so of course jimmy would release a country album immediatly after he has this huge country hit. its gauranteed income from a new flock of people. jimmy has said himself that he has weathered 3 failed attempts at a country career. maybe he should take the hint: country is not for you!!

about going back to his roots, i feel jimmy should go back to his roots (if he wants to). but i think his roots are the roots of his success; old school beach music, like son of a son, havana daydreamin' etc etc.

Just a thought.. aren't his roots country but his roots of success what people have dubbed Caribbean Country ?

its hard to say, because in the 70's, what he was writing was way different than the country music that was being written. and it really cant be called caribbean until the introduction of steel drums, auxilary percussion, and horns. i guess i would sum up jimmy's music as "caribbean soft rock with country influence."

Somebody a lot smarter than me (hey, watch it!!) should create a poll on BN where we vote on either : 1. I like the direction JB is taking by drawing in country influences to his music; 2. I hate the direction JB is taking; or 3. I don't care what JB does, I'll love him forever, buy all his CD's, and NEVER question his choices.

It would, of course, be VERY unscientific and meaningless, but it WOULD be interesting, fun, and therapeutic!!!

Wish I were more computer literate so I could do it, but - like many BNer's - I'm old!! (Not that that's a BAD thing! )

What does being a "newbie" have to do with it?? I live in Atlanta and don't mind country music. I just don't believe its JB's strong suit. Not pop-country anyways. And as for being a newbie to this discussion...it doesn't make us Newbies to JB or his music. I travelled with JB for 3 years and have seen over 100 shows...including private shows in New Orleans, Cincy and KW. Being new to this board does not preclude us from stating eduated opinions.

I've been a fan of his music for many years but I enjoy him less and less when he seems to find more and more ways to drain money from our pockets. And he gets it...just look at all the toys he's got.

Come on, it's endless...Krispy Kreme, CIP restaurants, Marg. cafe's in every tourist town imaginable, and the releasing of his own live shows where the damn set list is practically identical night after night. That's ridiculous. I can only listen to CIP, WDWGDAS and Southern Cross so many times before I turn if off. Thank goodness he dropped BEG from the rotation.

Go back and watch the 60 Minutes interview he did a few years ago..I believe he was pushing A Pirate Looks at 50. He practically admits that he knows he could put s**t on a shingle and sell a million copies. The booked was aweful too.

In this free, capitalistic country he can do anything he wants. We can also have opinions about it and choose to buy what he's selling or not.

thanks guys......I thought I was the only one who did'nt like a pirate looks at 50. I feel much better now

12 lb. nestle crunch wrote:im going to get serious for a moment here...

a lot of pholks are saying "should jimmy do what he wants?" and the answer is HELL NO. we are the ones that bought jimmys planes, boats, cars, and everything else he owns. if he doesnt please us, than he is broke. you have to remember that jimmy is a business man. entrepreneurs have one goal in mind: to make money.

so of course jimmy would release a country album immediatly after he has this huge country hit. its gauranteed income from a new flock of people. jimmy has said himself that he has weathered 3 failed attempts at a country career. maybe he should take the hint: country is not for you!!

about going back to his roots, i feel jimmy should go back to his roots (if he wants to). but i think his roots are the roots of his success; old school beach music, like son of a son, havana daydreamin' etc etc.

My opinion: I think Jimmy has paid us back 100x over for what he "owes us". He has given us so many good times together, good music to relax to, great people to meet here on this board, and other stuff. Without him none of this would have happened. I don't think it's right to say that Jimmy shouldn't do what he wants. He is after all human, he has the freedom to do as he pleases.

Also, I do believe, please correct me if I am wrong, that he was planning on releasing a country album BEFORE the song w/alan. And what is wrong with him wanting to release a sucessful album. Maybe it is one of his personal goals/dreams to have a top 10 country album. Maybe he likes doing country songs better than bar/beach songs? Perhaps he enjoys performing with new artists? We should not blast Jimmy for doing what he wants to do. He owes nothing to us, we asked for live albums we got live albums, we asked for DVD's we got MiniMatinee #1, he is giving us what we ask for, just let him do what he wants for once.

mangoman wrote:I've been a fan of his music for many years but I enjoy him less and less when he seems to find more and more ways to drain money from our pockets. And he gets it...just look at all the toys he's got.

Come on, it's endless...Krispy Kreme, CIP restaurants, Marg. cafe's in every tourist town imaginable, and the releasing of his own live shows where the damn set list is practically identical night after night. That's ridiculous. I can only listen to CIP, WDWGDAS and Southern Cross so many times before I turn if off. Thank goodness he dropped BEG from the rotation.

Go back and watch the 60 Minutes interview he did a few years ago..I believe he was pushing A Pirate Looks at 50. He practically admits that he knows he could put s**t on a shingle and sell a million copies. The booked was aweful too.

In this free, capitalistic country he can do anything he wants. We can also have opinions about it and choose to buy what he's selling or not.

Unfortunately there is alot of truth to what you say and i must admit that i share some of the same sentiments.

I've seen several mention JJW and country and Jimmy's roots.

The first time I saw Jimmy was when he was touring with JJW at a place called the Armadillo Headquarters in Austin. It catered not only to the likes of the "outlaw" country artists during the 70's but performers from all different types of music. People performing there ranged from Jimmy to JJW to Ted Nugent to Bette Miller. Jimmy was definately part of the "outlaw" country scene at that time if but only for the fact that he toured with JJW and they were good friends- he was just a different kind of outlaw. And a lot of his work back then was more country. When Come Monday came out it got the majority of play in the Texas Market on the country stations.

IMHO everyone here that has negative things to say are voicing their opinions based on one song. Why not just wait until the CD comes out instead of prejudicing yourself and others? Listen to the whole thing because just as has been pointed out it's rare that all songs on a CD are liked by all.

Regarding the influx of duets with country musicians - that seems to be something that is being done quite a bit here lately by several other artists. I personally like it because it brings a whole new audence to both the country performer and the non country performer. And I believe this is being done primarliy because of the respect that the performers have for each other regardless of their different musical tastes. Times change, people change and change isn't necessarily bad. I remember when a country musician would never be caught performing with someone considered rock and roll and vice versa.

As far as his becoming comercialized with his stores, Krispy Kremes etc. Maybe he's thinking about the day he won't be able to perform. And his children and grandchildren when they arrive and he's trying to build something for them.

I say give the CD a chance before you're ready to count it as a failure or a "bad" CD.

ph4ever wrote:I've seen several mention JJW and country and Jimmy's roots.

The first time I saw Jimmy was when he was touring with JJW at a place called the Armadillo Headquarters in Austin. It catered not only to the likes of the "outlaw" country artists during the 70's but performers from all different types of music. People performing there ranged from Jimmy to JJW to Ted Nugent to Bette Miller. Jimmy was definately part of the "outlaw" country scene at that time if but only for the fact that he toured with JJW and they were good friends- he was just a different kind of outlaw. And a lot of his work back then was more country. When Come Monday came out it got the majority of play in the Texas Market on the country stations.

IMHO everyone here that has negative things to say are voicing their opinions based on one song. Why not just wait until the CD comes out instead of prejudicing yourself and others? Listen to the whole thing because just as has been pointed out it's rare that all songs on a CD are liked by all.

Regarding the influx of duets with country musicians - that seems to be something that is being done quite a bit here lately by several other artists. I personally like it because it brings a whole new audence to both the country performer and the non country performer. And I believe this is being done primarliy because of the respect that the performers have for each other regardless of their different musical tastes. Times change, people change and change isn't necessarily bad. I remember when a country musician would never be caught performing with someone considered rock and roll and vice versa.

As far as his becoming comercialized with his stores, Krispy Kremes etc. Maybe he's thinking about the day he won't be able to perform. And his children and grandchildren when they arrive and he's trying to build something for them.

I say give the CD a chance before you're ready to count it as a failure or a "bad" CD.

I agree with everything you said, especially with his stores

ph4ever wrote:I say give the CD a chance before you're ready to count it as a failure or a "bad" CD.

I think that is what everybody needs to do. They have not heard every song on the CD and there will probably be a few really good ones. Fins up!

I'm not basing my opinion on one song...it's more a wave of recent events. And maybe JB is trying to "leave something for his children". It doesn't look like that too me. He's probably got enough in royalty checks alone to never have to "work" (as he calls it) again.

He's jumped the shark, sold out, it's all about the green backs baby! Let's see...what's next...Margaritaville bathroom tissue with catchy little song versus on it? Now that I'd buy...ha, ha, ha.

Hey, JB's not the only one. KISS and BB King are doing the same thing.

ill say this again:

12 lb. nestle crunch wrote: but i am not saying that i hate the song, or what jimmy's doing, or whatever. What i AM saying is that i dont think it would be the same going to a concert and everyone at the tailgate was dressed in boots and cowboy hats.

12 lb. nestle crunch wrote:ill say this again:

12 lb. nestle crunch wrote: but i am not saying that i hate the song, or what jimmy's doing, or whatever. What i AM saying is that i dont think it would be the same going to a concert and everyone at the tailgate was dressed in boots and cowboy hats.

I saw cowboy hats at the Dallas show. Of course the people wearing them also had shorts and leis on as well. I think you're assuming that if he goes country then everyone will dress C&W. I think that's a wrong assumption. I don't think this is gonna be a Urban Cowboy thing going on.

BESIDES do you have any ideal how dadgum HOT it would be in boots and jeans?? I can see a straw hat with a lea for a hatband decorated and all but there's no way in HELL I wold wear my boots and jeans to a tailgate.

I'm basing my opinion on one song - the opinion that I think the one song is derivative, cliched and weak.

Doesn't mean I won't give the album a chance....

I care for this song as much as 5 o'clock. Which is to say I don't care for either. I've been a Parrothead for a long time and his music has definitely gone through stages. Havana Daydreamin doesn't sound anything like Hot Water. Somewhere Over China doesn't sound anything like Fruitcakes. Last Mango in Paris doesn't sound anything like Far Side of the World.
When you look at the discography, there is almost a clean break in "styles" at every decade, and I guess we're just seeing a new trend - one which I don't particularly care for.
And regarding capitalism, I've always thought it was a bit ironic that he started off and it wasn't about making music for money - and now I think its sad, and says alot, that when you go to margaritaville.com, the first link at the top of the screen is "shop"...

Mike