Posted: January 27, 2004 10:06 am
and he will continue to get my money. 
ZeroDuval wrote:Heck, I liked the video!
yes but are you a parrothead or old school buffett??
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Posted: January 27, 2004 10:07 am
yes but are you a parrothead or old school buffett??
Posted: January 27, 2004 10:14 am
not all of us are money driven.. I am a social worker... not because of the money or the status... because this profession doesn't give you either. I do it as my chosen field--not cause it is the only job I could find.
I will be talking and surrounded today by the poorest of the poor who have no idea JB even is. I will see things today that your imaginations could not even conceive.
No, we are not all money driven.
And with that..... I owe, I owe. so off to work I go.........................
I will be talking and surrounded today by the poorest of the poor who have no idea JB even is. I will see things today that your imaginations could not even conceive.
No, we are not all money driven.
And with that..... I owe, I owe. so off to work I go.........................
Posted: January 27, 2004 10:19 am
Looks like we have to agree to disagree. We are fans of JB at many levels. I am looking forward to the next cd but the next box of Margaritaville whatever.
And by the way, I am a software engineer. I understand your analogy but I don't agree with it.
And by the way, I am a software engineer. I understand your analogy but I don't agree with it.
Posted: January 27, 2004 10:34 am
Fair enough..mangoman wrote:And by the way, I am a software engineer. I understand your analogy but I don't agree with it.
Are you really a software engineer???!!! I swear, I did not know that! This is really freaky! Maybe I'm turning psychic or something! Or maybe just psychotic!
Posted: January 27, 2004 10:36 am
Yes we're all fans at different levels but that does not make any level "better" than the other either.mangoman wrote:Looks like we have to agree to disagree. We are fans of JB at many levels. I am looking forward to the next cd but the next box of Margaritaville whatever.
so if you're looking forward to the next CD and box of Margaritaville whatever what's the complaint??
Posted: January 27, 2004 10:37 am
nycparrothead wrote:Fair enough..mangoman wrote:And by the way, I am a software engineer. I understand your analogy but I don't agree with it.
Are you really a software engineer???!!! I swear, I did not know that! This is really freaky! Maybe I'm turning psychic or something! Or maybe just psychotic!
you wanna ask me??
Posted: January 27, 2004 10:39 am
I think he meant to say, but NOT the box of Margaritaville whatever....ph4ever wrote:Yes we're all fans at different levels but that does not make any level "better" than the other either.mangoman wrote:Looks like we have to agree to disagree. We are fans of JB at many levels. I am looking forward to the next cd but the next box of Margaritaville whatever.
so if you're looking forward to the next CD and box of Margaritaville whatever what's the complaint??
Posted: January 27, 2004 10:41 am
I am definately not saying one level is better than another. I'm simply voicing my opinion and not passing judgement on any other fan on this BB. Sorry if that message is coming across.
Oops...I left out a very important word. Here's the corrected statement...
I am looking forward to the next cd but NOT the next box of Margaritaville whatever.
Oops...I left out a very important word. Here's the corrected statement...
I am looking forward to the next cd but NOT the next box of Margaritaville whatever.
Posted: January 27, 2004 10:42 am
Um... NO!ph4ever wrote:nycparrothead wrote:Fair enough..mangoman wrote:And by the way, I am a software engineer. I understand your analogy but I don't agree with it.
Are you really a software engineer???!!! I swear, I did not know that! This is really freaky! Maybe I'm turning psychic or something! Or maybe just psychotic!
you wanna ask me??
Posted: January 27, 2004 11:16 am
Taking a back seat to all these threads but reading them struck me with a thought. Buffett has evolved over the years as would any artist, professional would most likely do. He began in this business and it is a business for many reasons and through his evolution over the many years I doubt seriously he will end as he started.
So when Beach Blond moves from front line social worker to supervisor to upper management will it mean she has sold out? I guess only she will be able to answer that question but I am willing to bet that if she does move off the front line to management it will be based on personal choice and personal growth. And that perhaps is where Jimmy is, trying on new ideas, new formulas, new music. Does not mean all parrotheads will embrace the change, some will some won't, it's the nature of the beast.
But the bottomline is, at least for me, I will continue to listen to Jimmy in the fashion I am most famaliar...my way, when and where I want and will exclude from that fashion any of his songs that do not move me. It is all about the photo album of the mind and if any of you have been around awhile you will realize the memmories are priceless and not replaceable. For that I am forever greatful and will remain a loyal fan of JB until such time I decide to move on.
So when Beach Blond moves from front line social worker to supervisor to upper management will it mean she has sold out? I guess only she will be able to answer that question but I am willing to bet that if she does move off the front line to management it will be based on personal choice and personal growth. And that perhaps is where Jimmy is, trying on new ideas, new formulas, new music. Does not mean all parrotheads will embrace the change, some will some won't, it's the nature of the beast.
But the bottomline is, at least for me, I will continue to listen to Jimmy in the fashion I am most famaliar...my way, when and where I want and will exclude from that fashion any of his songs that do not move me. It is all about the photo album of the mind and if any of you have been around awhile you will realize the memmories are priceless and not replaceable. For that I am forever greatful and will remain a loyal fan of JB until such time I decide to move on.
Posted: January 27, 2004 11:18 am
OK, ya'll have convinced me ! Jimmy should not "sell out" what he should do is stop touring, stop making new music, stop opening Margaritavile stores ( the one in Vegas, NO, KW, were no fun anyway) and then he can just have fun with his family, fish, fly, sail, party and life a live on his own. We can just all be happy that we have the cd's that we like and be happy when we play them. He has entertained us for far too long and it is high time he gives it all up and spends his time doing what he wants to do , not what some big corporate marketing guru tells him to do. Then we will all get lives like he has told us to do and leave him alone! 
Is that what you all want?
Not me, I hope he continues to do what he has been doing and I will keep buying what I choose to and when he comes to read our posts ( and I bet he does) he will see that I appreciatte him and have for 20 + years. I feel he makes his decisions based on what he thinks is best for him and his family. Alot of people seem to think he doesnt care much about us, but he does and you all know that, so let him do what he wants and you decide to support him or not, its up to you and what he does is up to him. What he does works for him and ALOT of people that are employed by him. We are the ones eating the cheeseburgers, buying the records, attending the shows, buying the shirts, books, shot glasses etc. I won 126.00 in Vegas on a nickel machine and spent most of it at Margaritaville. ( ok so all toll I spent more than that ) I could of spent that at the Celine Dion store but I chose not too. I'm just glad I had a choice!!!!
Is that what you all want?
Not me, I hope he continues to do what he has been doing and I will keep buying what I choose to and when he comes to read our posts ( and I bet he does) he will see that I appreciatte him and have for 20 + years. I feel he makes his decisions based on what he thinks is best for him and his family. Alot of people seem to think he doesnt care much about us, but he does and you all know that, so let him do what he wants and you decide to support him or not, its up to you and what he does is up to him. What he does works for him and ALOT of people that are employed by him. We are the ones eating the cheeseburgers, buying the records, attending the shows, buying the shirts, books, shot glasses etc. I won 126.00 in Vegas on a nickel machine and spent most of it at Margaritaville. ( ok so all toll I spent more than that ) I could of spent that at the Celine Dion store but I chose not too. I'm just glad I had a choice!!!!
Posted: January 27, 2004 11:43 am
oops 
guess I should add to this one too...
...so he's not starving anymore, I feel good about that
Bumper, VERY good point on the management analogy, BTW
come on, (and WHY are there so many freakin threads on this
)
This is America, capitalism, etc... HELLO
EVERY starving artist has dreams of making it, having throngs of loyal fans, having a website etc......
So what? I'm envious, not jealous, he works hard, makes alot of $
...don't make me come out of the virtual tailgate again
guess I should add to this one too...coronakid wrote:Hey lets face facts Jimmy sold out a long time ago, he has jumped into commercialism with both feet, the starving artist thing has long been gone,
...so he's not starving anymore, I feel good about that
Bumper, VERY good point on the management analogy, BTW
come on, (and WHY are there so many freakin threads on this
)This is America, capitalism, etc... HELLO
EVERY starving artist has dreams of making it, having throngs of loyal fans, having a website etc......
So what? I'm envious, not jealous, he works hard, makes alot of $
...don't make me come out of the virtual tailgate again
Posted: January 27, 2004 12:09 pm
In Mac MacAnally's words...
"Now he's been lazy most all his life writin' songs and sleepin' late
And any manual labor he's done was purely by mistake
If street sweepers can smile then he's got no right to feel upset
But sometimes he still forgets
'Til the lights go on and the stage is set
And the song hits home and he feels that sweat
It's his job to be different than the rest
And that's enough reason to go for him
It's his job to be better than the rest
And that's a rough break for him"
In my opinion, he IS different than the rest, and he IS better than the rest, and that's good enough for me.
Key Lime's got me even more eager in anticipation to hear the rest of the album than I already was. And if it doesn't turn out to be one of my favorites, so be it. I'm just glad Jimmy's willing to try new things, and to continue to use his creativity, as a gift to US - the parrot head nation. If he does things to invite some new people to the madness, I will welcome them with open arms, as Jimmy would expect we would. It's MY job!!!
"Now he's been lazy most all his life writin' songs and sleepin' late
And any manual labor he's done was purely by mistake
If street sweepers can smile then he's got no right to feel upset
But sometimes he still forgets
'Til the lights go on and the stage is set
And the song hits home and he feels that sweat
It's his job to be different than the rest
And that's enough reason to go for him
It's his job to be better than the rest
And that's a rough break for him"
In my opinion, he IS different than the rest, and he IS better than the rest, and that's good enough for me.
Key Lime's got me even more eager in anticipation to hear the rest of the album than I already was. And if it doesn't turn out to be one of my favorites, so be it. I'm just glad Jimmy's willing to try new things, and to continue to use his creativity, as a gift to US - the parrot head nation. If he does things to invite some new people to the madness, I will welcome them with open arms, as Jimmy would expect we would. It's MY job!!!
Posted: January 27, 2004 12:12 pm
Almost totally agree!!!! I think LTC is a good song not great! I do however believe that Chesney's label will push the song hard, he is the biggest Act in country radio these days, and his new album will debut at #1 when it comes out next week. That being said I agree these "duets" will not flood the parking lots with "REdnecks" in boots. Lee is right, stop clucking chicken little the sky isnt falling if for one reason, Parrotheads know more ways around ticketmaster than any other fan baseKey Lime Lee wrote:Am I allowed to share my opinion too?
It's not a discussion that has just come up in relation to License to Chill - it comes up every year with every product Jimmy releases. Happened with the restaurants, with the shrimp, with the tequila, with the country record... people start sounding like Chicken Little proclaiming the parrothead sky is falling.
Still, I don't think LTC that strong a song and, from an image POV, I think it only lends credence to the arguments of those who think he's just trying to cash in on 5OCS. Not saying he is, but rather to those who already believe he is, that song isn't going to change their minds. Whether it gets radio play or not is more a matter of whether Chesney's label is going to throw money behind it. I'm sure the SI thing will help, but they're still going to have to grease some independent radio promoter palms to get into heavy rotation and Jimmy is notorious about not spending promo $$.
Even if it does get heavy country rotation, I'm not sure it will bring a lasting influx of country fans - they'd be bored through 95% of the show. But if some of them want to join us, well heck, can't rightly hold the fact that they're country music fans against them.
Regardless, I've been told be folks whose musical opinions I trust that the record is one of the best he's recorded and that it was one of the most fun to record. At least for the time they were in the studio it was a bunch of seasoned pros just having a great time making music. So I'll give the record a chance.
I *don't* think it will mean an influx of country fans to JB concerts. They'd be bored for 90 percent of the show and while I sometimes doubt JB's judgement at marketing himself, I'm pretty confident he would never change his live show to alienate the parrotheads.
In short (too late for that): I don't think the sky is falling, I don't think LTC is a particularly strong song, I don't think LTC is going to be indivitive of the rest of the record, I know the album wasn't recorded with the notion of minting more $$, and I'm not concerned with whenever it was/is that he crossed an imaginary line between "artist" and "product."
In a free market economy we all have the option to stop buying at any time, and if we do, Jimmy stops making money. In the meantime I can't fault him for wanting to provide for his kids and grandkids while he can. I mean, who wouldn't want to make more money doing their job?
Posted: January 27, 2004 12:19 pm
msu#1 wrote:Almost totally agree!!!! I think LTC is a good song not great! I do however believe that Chesney's label will push the song hard, he is the biggest Act in country radio these days, and his new album will debut at #1 when it comes out next week. That being said I agree these "duets" will not flood the parking lots with "REdnecks" in boots. Lee is right, stop clucking chicken little the sky isnt falling if for one reason, Parrotheads know more ways around ticketmaster than any other fan baseKey Lime Lee wrote:Am I allowed to share my opinion too?
It's not a discussion that has just come up in relation to License to Chill - it comes up every year with every product Jimmy releases. Happened with the restaurants, with the shrimp, with the tequila, with the country record... people start sounding like Chicken Little proclaiming the parrothead sky is falling.
Still, I don't think LTC that strong a song and, from an image POV, I think it only lends credence to the arguments of those who think he's just trying to cash in on 5OCS. Not saying he is, but rather to those who already believe he is, that song isn't going to change their minds. Whether it gets radio play or not is more a matter of whether Chesney's label is going to throw money behind it. I'm sure the SI thing will help, but they're still going to have to grease some independent radio promoter palms to get into heavy rotation and Jimmy is notorious about not spending promo $$.
Even if it does get heavy country rotation, I'm not sure it will bring a lasting influx of country fans - they'd be bored through 95% of the show. But if some of them want to join us, well heck, can't rightly hold the fact that they're country music fans against them.
Regardless, I've been told be folks whose musical opinions I trust that the record is one of the best he's recorded and that it was one of the most fun to record. At least for the time they were in the studio it was a bunch of seasoned pros just having a great time making music. So I'll give the record a chance.
I *don't* think it will mean an influx of country fans to JB concerts. They'd be bored for 90 percent of the show and while I sometimes doubt JB's judgement at marketing himself, I'm pretty confident he would never change his live show to alienate the parrotheads.
In short (too late for that): I don't think the sky is falling, I don't think LTC is a particularly strong song, I don't think LTC is going to be indivitive of the rest of the record, I know the album wasn't recorded with the notion of minting more $$, and I'm not concerned with whenever it was/is that he crossed an imaginary line between "artist" and "product."
In a free market economy we all have the option to stop buying at any time, and if we do, Jimmy stops making money. In the meantime I can't fault him for wanting to provide for his kids and grandkids while he can. I mean, who wouldn't want to make more money doing their job?
Why would Chesney's label push this?? He's got a new cd coming out on Feb 2nd I believe.
Posted: January 27, 2004 12:21 pm
BTT
Posted: January 27, 2004 1:13 pm
I haven't posted in any of the threads on this topic yet and I picked this thread at random to post in because they all seemed the same anyway.
My opinion, probably stated by some already, is that what's all the fuss about for one song that we've heard? The rest of the album could be some of Jimmy's' best stuff. I don't think the song is too bad, and I think it's cool that Jimmy is teaming up with Kenny, a proclaimed parrothead. I'm just glad to get another album coming out. And like Rick said, he'll keep getting my money
My opinion, probably stated by some already, is that what's all the fuss about for one song that we've heard? The rest of the album could be some of Jimmy's' best stuff. I don't think the song is too bad, and I think it's cool that Jimmy is teaming up with Kenny, a proclaimed parrothead. I'm just glad to get another album coming out. And like Rick said, he'll keep getting my money
Posted: January 27, 2004 1:20 pm
I give up, Ill be back in a week
Posted: January 27, 2004 1:55 pm
but when/if she moves to upper management, she will lose touch with her personal clients. these clients might not like beach blonde's replacement, so they may choose to take their business to a different firmbumper wrote: So when Beach Blond moves from front line social worker to supervisor to upper management will it mean she has sold out? I guess only she will be able to answer that question but I am willing to bet that if she does move off the front line to management it will be based on personal choice and personal growth.