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Posted: January 27, 2004 1:58 pm
by ph4ever
12 lb. nestle crunch wrote:bumper wrote:
So when Beach Blond moves from front line social worker to supervisor to upper management will it mean she has sold out? I guess only she will be able to answer that question but I am willing to bet that if she does move off the front line to management it will be based on personal choice and personal growth.
but when/if she moves to upper management, she will lose touch with her personal clients. these clients might not like beach blonde's replacement, so they may choose to take their business to a different firm
Isn't getting paid for being a front line social worker a sell out? Why not be a full time volunteer?? I'm sure there are a lot of social agencies out there that could use some volunteers.
Posted: January 27, 2004 1:59 pm
by nycparrothead
12 lb. nestle crunch wrote:but when/if she moves to upper management, she will lose touch with her personal clients. these clients might not like beach blonde's replacement, so they may choose to take their business to a different firm
But, that shouldn't happen if she still continues to see her clients on a regular basis while maintaining a position in upper management. (Like Jimmy still tours despite his other commitments)
Posted: January 27, 2004 2:04 pm
by 12 lb. nestle crunch
nycparrothead wrote:mangoman wrote:You know you're right...we don't have to buy anything he does or patron any place he opens. I suppose that's one way to protest. It's just that I think some folks are upset to see the direction he's taking considering they (me included) were full-blown admirers of his artistic work...his books and records. Hell I was at the Grand Opening of DSTC in Coconut Grove, Fl. and got JB and Herman Wouk to sign the playbill (and I thought the play was well done...maybe a bit too long). So I think most of the folks that offer negative opinions are long-time, diehard fans...of JB the artist, not JB the CEO.
Okay look... I don't know what you do for a living, but let me give you a hypothetical....
Say you are a software engineer... In fact you are the best software engineer at your company! Hell, you're the best software engineer in your state... In your spare time you tinkered around and wrote a useful program that if you chose to, you could sell and make millions... You're telling me that you wouldn't do it? You'd be happy being, just the best software engineer in your state and do that forever? Give me a friggin' break! You'd sell your software design, get rich and give up your old job all together..
You people should be happy that Jimmy still tours at all cause he sure as hell doesn't have to! Heaven forbid he try and soak up all the money he can! You're right! He should put on the breaks and lose millions every
year to make ungrateful people like you happy!
this is really hard to compare to the music business. in the computer world, people buy what's best, and dont feel bad for switching companies. in other words, i own a dell. some computers have come out recently that outperform dell, so i will not think twice about getting a better computer next time.
but with the music business, people dont change preferences so easily. a life long country fan wont just up and start listening to rap. a (successful) musician builds up a loyal audience, and that audience will be loyal until the end. but if that musician changes, he is substituting one audience for another, or no audience at all. when MC hammer changed his 'christian-like' image for a bad boy thug, he lost almost his whole fan base. the same goes for dave matthews. sure dave did keep some of his original fans, but when he changed his music to a more upbeat style, he did lose a good portion of his fan base that loved dave's "chillin" music. i know because I AM ONE!!
Posted: January 27, 2004 2:07 pm
by 12 lb. nestle crunch
nycparrothead wrote:12 lb. nestle crunch wrote:but when/if she moves to upper management, she will lose touch with her personal clients. these clients might not like beach blonde's replacement, so they may choose to take their business to a different firm
But, that shouldn't happen if she still continues to see her clients on a regular basis while maintaining a position in upper management. (Like Jimmy still tours despite his other commitments)
i think for a full time social worker to become a full time upper manager, while still seeing all of her full time clients , is a little impossible.
my aunt was a full time social worker (who did not get paid) with a master's degree from Tulane. she ended up quitting and being a house mom because it was too time consuming. theres no way she could have been an upper manager and still mantained that relationship with her clients, while still having time for family at that.
Posted: January 27, 2004 2:14 pm
by nycparrothead
My point was about the perception of Jimmy selling out to corporate America, not about his style of music changing... As artist's music styles change, their fan bases do tend to shift. WHile most of the fans will change with the artist's style, many will abandon the artist, while others who were never previously interested, will begin listening to that artist. That's the right of the fan. The problem here lies with people blaming Jimmy's corporate life for him producing an album that they don't like just because of the title and the title track. If you don't like it and don't want to listen to it and you don't want to buy any Margaritaville products, then fine, don't do it! But don't b**** and gripe to me about it cause I really don't care what you do... I don't like liver or asparagus, but I'm not going to complain to anyone about it because I know they don't care.
And I hate getting into debates like this so I'm going to stop now.... I've never been much of a masterdebater.
Posted: January 27, 2004 2:18 pm
by nycparrothead
12 lb. nestle crunch wrote:i think for a full time social worker to become a full time upper manager, while still seeing all of her full time clients , is a little impossible.
Oh good grief... First of all I was speaking in hypotheticals.. You can't compare being a rock star and a social worker...
Second of all, if you insist on doing so, I understand it would be impossible to maintain a position in upper management and still see her clients.. AND YET DESPITE THE FACT THAT JIMMY IS CORPORATE JIMMY NOW, HE STILL MANAGES TO DO ONE HELL OF A TOUR!!!! How bout, "Wow! thanks Jimmy! You don't have to still be touring like this at your age and we realize that concert revenue only represents a small fraction of your yearly income but you keep touring cause you love it and you don't want to let us down!!!" NO! Instead is b****, b****, b****!! Give it a damn rest!
Posted: January 27, 2004 2:25 pm
by bearphin
12 lb. nestle crunch wrote:nycparrothead wrote:mangoman wrote:You know you're right...we don't have to buy anything he does or patron any place he opens. I suppose that's one way to protest. It's just that I think some folks are upset to see the direction he's taking considering they (me included) were full-blown admirers of his artistic work...his books and records. Hell I was at the Grand Opening of DSTC in Coconut Grove, Fl. and got JB and Herman Wouk to sign the playbill (and I thought the play was well done...maybe a bit too long). So I think most of the folks that offer negative opinions are long-time, diehard fans...of JB the artist, not JB the CEO.
Okay look... I don't know what you do for a living, but let me give you a hypothetical....
Say you are a software engineer... In fact you are the best software engineer at your company! Hell, you're the best software engineer in your state... In your spare time you tinkered around and wrote a useful program that if you chose to, you could sell and make millions... You're telling me that you wouldn't do it? You'd be happy being, just the best software engineer in your state and do that forever? Give me a friggin' break! You'd sell your software design, get rich and give up your old job all together..
You people should be happy that Jimmy still tours at all cause he sure as hell doesn't have to! Heaven forbid he try and soak up all the money he can! You're right! He should put on the breaks and lose millions every
year to make ungrateful people like you happy!
this is really hard to compare to the music business. in the computer world, people buy what's best, and dont feel bad for switching companies. in other words, i own a dell. some computers have come out recently that outperform dell, so i will not think twice about getting a better computer next time.
but with the music business, people dont change preferences so easily. a life long country fan wont just up and start listening to rap. a (successful) musician builds up a loyal audience, and that audience will be loyal until the end. but if that musician changes, he is substituting one audience for another, or no audience at all. when MC hammer changed his 'christian-like' image for a bad boy thug, he lost almost his whole fan base. the same goes for dave matthews. sure dave did keep some of his original fans, but when he changed his music to a more upbeat style, he did lose a good portion of his fan base that loved dave's "chillin" music. i know because I AM ONE!!
Least we all forget, Jimmy's origins ARE in country music. Nashville is where his heart is. Neither 5OCS or LTC are "sellouts". They are simply a way for Jimmy to enjoy himself with other great entertainers and maybe reach out to a different fan base. one that he hasn't reached in many years.
And as for one redneck country boy, I am happy to see it and will continue to give him my money. Thats my choice and what I decide to do.
Posted: January 27, 2004 2:28 pm
by 12 lb. nestle crunch
nycparrothead wrote:12 lb. nestle crunch wrote:i think for a full time social worker to become a full time upper manager, while still seeing all of her full time clients , is a little impossible.
Oh good grief... First of all I was speaking in hypotheticals.. You can't compare being a rock star and a social worker...
Second of all, if you insist on doing so, I understand it would be impossible to maintain a position in upper management and still see her clients.. AND YET DESPITE THE FACT THAT JIMMY IS CORPORATE JIMMY NOW, HE STILL MANAGES TO DO ONE HELL OF A TOUR!!!! How bout, "Wow! thanks Jimmy! You don't have to still be touring like this at your age and we realize that concert revenue only represents a small fraction of your yearly income but you keep touring cause you love it and you don't want to let us down!!!" NO! Instead is b****, b****, b****!! Give it a damn rest!
alright dude, chill out. i never got hostile in any of my post.
i never said i wasnt going to buy the album, or stop lisening to jimmy, or stop going to concerts, or stop being a parrothead every day of the year.
but there is a difference between being brainwashed and being a fan. am i saying you are brainwashed? no. but a fan is not afraid to say "you know, i really dont like musicians X's album B as much as album A, but i still like musician X."
constructive criticism is a POSITIVE thing and its helps us grow as people. if jimmy would have never gotten any constructive criticism in his life, do you think he would be where he is today.
dont get hostile with me.
Posted: January 27, 2004 2:31 pm
by 12 lb. nestle crunch
bearphin wrote:12 lb. nestle crunch wrote:nycparrothead wrote:mangoman wrote:You know you're right...we don't have to buy anything he does or patron any place he opens. I suppose that's one way to protest. It's just that I think some folks are upset to see the direction he's taking considering they (me included) were full-blown admirers of his artistic work...his books and records. Hell I was at the Grand Opening of DSTC in Coconut Grove, Fl. and got JB and Herman Wouk to sign the playbill (and I thought the play was well done...maybe a bit too long). So I think most of the folks that offer negative opinions are long-time, diehard fans...of JB the artist, not JB the CEO.
Okay look... I don't know what you do for a living, but let me give you a hypothetical....
Say you are a software engineer... In fact you are the best software engineer at your company! Hell, you're the best software engineer in your state... In your spare time you tinkered around and wrote a useful program that if you chose to, you could sell and make millions... You're telling me that you wouldn't do it? You'd be happy being, just the best software engineer in your state and do that forever? Give me a friggin' break! You'd sell your software design, get rich and give up your old job all together..
You people should be happy that Jimmy still tours at all cause he sure as hell doesn't have to! Heaven forbid he try and soak up all the money he can! You're right! He should put on the breaks and lose millions every
year to make ungrateful people like you happy!
this is really hard to compare to the music business. in the computer world, people buy what's best, and dont feel bad for switching companies. in other words, i own a dell. some computers have come out recently that outperform dell, so i will not think twice about getting a better computer next time.
but with the music business, people dont change preferences so easily. a life long country fan wont just up and start listening to rap. a (successful) musician builds up a loyal audience, and that audience will be loyal until the end. but if that musician changes, he is substituting one audience for another, or no audience at all. when MC hammer changed his 'christian-like' image for a bad boy thug, he lost almost his whole fan base. the same goes for dave matthews. sure dave did keep some of his original fans, but when he changed his music to a more upbeat style, he did lose a good portion of his fan base that loved dave's "chillin" music. i know because I AM ONE!!
Least we all forget, Jimmy's origins ARE in country music. Nashville is were his heart is. Neither 5OCS or LTC are "sellouts". They are simply a way for Jimmy to enjoy himself with other great entertainers and maybe reach out to a different fan base. one that he hasn't reached in many years.
And as for one redneck country boy, I am happy to see it and will continue to give him my money. Thats my choice and what I decide to do.
i know he lived and worked in nashville, but i dont know if i would go as far as to say thats where his heart is. i would say key west would be the answer to that, and new orleans in a close second. he gives references to his lives in key west and new orleans more than any other town
Posted: January 27, 2004 2:33 pm
by nycparrothead
12 lb. nestle crunch wrote:constructive criticism is a POSITIVE thing and its helps us grow as people. if jimmy would have never gotten any constructive criticism in his life, do you think he would be where he is today.
Sorry for taking it out on you dude.. Not your fault.. And constructive criticism is a good thing. It's really the number of different threads about the same thing that is annoying. And the people calling him a sellout. I didn't mean to make it sound like people can't dislike an album or even dislike Jimmy, but people need to put themselves in the other person's shoes if they are going to judge.
Sorry for getting hostile dude... Fruity hid my meds again!
Posted: January 27, 2004 2:36 pm
by 12 lb. nestle crunch
nycparrothead wrote:12 lb. nestle crunch wrote:constructive criticism is a POSITIVE thing and its helps us grow as people. if jimmy would have never gotten any constructive criticism in his life, do you think he would be where he is today.
Sorry for getting hostile dude... Fruity hid my meds again!
its all good
Posted: January 27, 2004 2:38 pm
by bearphin
12 lb. nestle crunch wrote:bearphin wrote:12 lb. nestle crunch wrote:nycparrothead wrote:mangoman wrote:You know you're right...we don't have to buy anything he does or patron any place he opens. I suppose that's one way to protest. It's just that I think some folks are upset to see the direction he's taking considering they (me included) were full-blown admirers of his artistic work...his books and records. Hell I was at the Grand Opening of DSTC in Coconut Grove, Fl. and got JB and Herman Wouk to sign the playbill (and I thought the play was well done...maybe a bit too long). So I think most of the folks that offer negative opinions are long-time, diehard fans...of JB the artist, not JB the CEO.
Okay look... I don't know what you do for a living, but let me give you a hypothetical....
Say you are a software engineer... In fact you are the best software engineer at your company! Hell, you're the best software engineer in your state... In your spare time you tinkered around and wrote a useful program that if you chose to, you could sell and make millions... You're telling me that you wouldn't do it? You'd be happy being, just the best software engineer in your state and do that forever? Give me a friggin' break! You'd sell your software design, get rich and give up your old job all together..
You people should be happy that Jimmy still tours at all cause he sure as hell doesn't have to! Heaven forbid he try and soak up all the money he can! You're right! He should put on the breaks and lose millions every
year to make ungrateful people like you happy!
this is really hard to compare to the music business. in the computer world, people buy what's best, and dont feel bad for switching companies. in other words, i own a dell. some computers have come out recently that outperform dell, so i will not think twice about getting a better computer next time.
but with the music business, people dont change preferences so easily. a life long country fan wont just up and start listening to rap. a (successful) musician builds up a loyal audience, and that audience will be loyal until the end. but if that musician changes, he is substituting one audience for another, or no audience at all. when MC hammer changed his 'christian-like' image for a bad boy thug, he lost almost his whole fan base. the same goes for dave matthews. sure dave did keep some of his original fans, but when he changed his music to a more upbeat style, he did lose a good portion of his fan base that loved dave's "chillin" music. i know because I AM ONE!!
Least we all forget, Jimmy's origins ARE in country music. Nashville is were his heart is. Neither 5OCS or LTC are "sellouts". They are simply a way for Jimmy to enjoy himself with other great entertainers and maybe reach out to a different fan base. one that he hasn't reached in many years.
And as for one redneck country boy, I am happy to see it and will continue to give him my money. Thats my choice and what I decide to do.
i know he lived and worked in nashville, but i dont know if i would go as far as to say thats where his heart is. i would say key west would be the answer to that, and new orleans in a close second. he gives references to his lives in key west and new orleans more than any other town
Listen to his early albulms and try to tell me they aren't country in origin. Thats where he got his start. Thats where he decided to move to. Yes, KW is his soul, but country music runs through his veins!!
Posted: January 27, 2004 2:46 pm
by 12 lb. nestle crunch
bearphin wrote:12 lb. nestle crunch wrote:bearphin wrote:12 lb. nestle crunch wrote:nycparrothead wrote:mangoman wrote:You know you're right...we don't have to buy anything he does or patron any place he opens. I suppose that's one way to protest. It's just that I think some folks are upset to see the direction he's taking considering they (me included) were full-blown admirers of his artistic work...his books and records. Hell I was at the Grand Opening of DSTC in Coconut Grove, Fl. and got JB and Herman Wouk to sign the playbill (and I thought the play was well done...maybe a bit too long). So I think most of the folks that offer negative opinions are long-time, diehard fans...of JB the artist, not JB the CEO.
Okay look... I don't know what you do for a living, but let me give you a hypothetical....
Say you are a software engineer... In fact you are the best software engineer at your company! Hell, you're the best software engineer in your state... In your spare time you tinkered around and wrote a useful program that if you chose to, you could sell and make millions... You're telling me that you wouldn't do it? You'd be happy being, just the best software engineer in your state and do that forever? Give me a friggin' break! You'd sell your software design, get rich and give up your old job all together..
You people should be happy that Jimmy still tours at all cause he sure as hell doesn't have to! Heaven forbid he try and soak up all the money he can! You're right! He should put on the breaks and lose millions every
year to make ungrateful people like you happy!
this is really hard to compare to the music business. in the computer world, people buy what's best, and dont feel bad for switching companies. in other words, i own a dell. some computers have come out recently that outperform dell, so i will not think twice about getting a better computer next time.
but with the music business, people dont change preferences so easily. a life long country fan wont just up and start listening to rap. a (successful) musician builds up a loyal audience, and that audience will be loyal until the end. but if that musician changes, he is substituting one audience for another, or no audience at all. when MC hammer changed his 'christian-like' image for a bad boy thug, he lost almost his whole fan base. the same goes for dave matthews. sure dave did keep some of his original fans, but when he changed his music to a more upbeat style, he did lose a good portion of his fan base that loved dave's "chillin" music. i know because I AM ONE!!
Least we all forget, Jimmy's origins ARE in country music. Nashville is were his heart is. Neither 5OCS or LTC are "sellouts". They are simply a way for Jimmy to enjoy himself with other great entertainers and maybe reach out to a different fan base. one that he hasn't reached in many years.
And as for one redneck country boy, I am happy to see it and will continue to give him my money. Thats my choice and what I decide to do.
i know he lived and worked in nashville, but i dont know if i would go as far as to say thats where his heart is. i would say key west would be the answer to that, and new orleans in a close second. he gives references to his lives in key west and new orleans more than any other town
Listen to his early albulms and try to tell me they aren't country in origin. Thats where he got his start. Thats where he decided to move to. Yes, KW is his soul, but country music runs through his veins!!
true, but you have to remember that at that time, there were not that many genres of music around. basically there was rock-n-roll, honky tonk, blues, jazz, and worldly trends (reggae, salsa...). non-orchestral music was not heavily developed. of course now a days its everywhere. maybe jimmy knew what kind of music he wanted to perform (the beach style), but he had to find a way to introduce it. it would be hard to introduce a new beachy style of music through rock and roll
remember these lyrics...?
"though i loved rock-n-roll, the acoustic guitar was the only way i had of becoming a star"
Posted: January 27, 2004 2:48 pm
by bumper
ph4ever wrote:12 lb. nestle crunch wrote:bumper wrote:
So when Beach Blond moves from front line social worker to supervisor to upper management will it mean she has sold out? I guess only she will be able to answer that question but I am willing to bet that if she does move off the front line to management it will be based on personal choice and personal growth.
but when/if she moves to upper management, she will lose touch with her personal clients. these clients might not like beach blonde's replacement, so they may choose to take their business to a different firm
Isn't getting paid for being a front line social worker a sell out? Why not be a full time volunteer?? I'm sure there are a lot of social agencies out there that could use some volunteers.
I may have missed getting my point across while getting lost in the details. One more try. If Bleach Blond moves, being the good social worker she is, she will advise her clients that getting over her and keeping their eye on the goal is the most important thing. Buffett is no different. We have given into him, listened to his music and practiced the lifestyle. All those things were in us orginally most likey but Bubba brought them out. For that I am greatful. Look at this site and the amazing people who have come together over a theme, a lifestyle and a living attitude. How could anyone not be greatful for this? If Bubba moves on so be it but I will keep my eye on the goal and live true to myself. I would expect Bubba to do the same. He does have that right as we all have the right to listen to his music or not. Okay done....poooooof
Posted: January 27, 2004 4:29 pm
by Angel Beech
I think Jimmy's experiments with different genres of artistic expression have been quite entertaining through the years.
During those years I have kept an open ear to my keets' music and they have listened to mine. Even when I went through my "goat roper" phase, as they call it in these here parts.
50'CS had me watching CMT and I admit, I dusted off some 10-year-old CD's and revisited some tunes that many a redneck or old fogey might say wasn't "real country," but "young country." Yet, had it not veered towards that "progressive" line, I may not have heard it at all. In fact, just yesterday I randomly plugged in Clint Black and was instantly transported back a decade to a wonderful surprise appearance when Jimmy brought Clint onstage to perform "When My Ship Comes In."
So in this current crossover, or merging of musical genres, I am getting a kick out of the idea that some "country folk" might be enlightened enough by a taste Buffett that they explore the broader gamut of his artistic creations and perhaps even learn a lesson in open-mindedness.
Bubba may be doing mankind a huge favor.
Whatever his motivation is now, we can't really know; but I cannot believe the man we all believe in is driven by greed. I will most certainly be pitching in some money at our next tailgate party so we can hire the best entertainer I have ever followed - the one and only Jimmy Buffett.
Posted: January 27, 2004 4:35 pm
by Fruitcakes101
Posted: January 27, 2004 4:35 pm
by Burny Charles
I wish Jimmy would just change his mind and do a Rap CD so that these repetetive threads would go away.
Posted: January 27, 2004 4:45 pm
by bumper
Posted: January 27, 2004 8:30 pm
by Beach Blonde
