I LOVE hockey.. but....

tommcat327 · Post by **tommcat327** » March 14, 2004 11:03 pm

Key Lime Lee wrote:Actually in the case of NASCAR, if a driver does get killed in a crash, the accident scene immediately falls under the control of the local police department and/or the department of motor vehicles.

Speeding tickets are irrelevent because the speedways are private property. You can drive as fast as you want around your yard if its big enough.

correct,and in the event of death on the ice the law would conduct an investigation.as it would anywhere else,a boxing ring,skydiving or anytime an unnatural death occurs.

Key Lime Lee · Post by **Key Lime Lee** » March 14, 2004 11:04 pm

http://www.findarticles.com/cf_dls/m157 ... icle.jhtml

tommcat327 · Post by **tommcat327** » March 14, 2004 11:12 pm

intersesting article lee and some valid points made.my problem with it as i said earlier is that it would set a precedent for the courts to go to on a regular basis.and anytime lawyers get involved in something it will come out twisted so far you forgot what the original concern was.
then you would have people being charged or sued for tripping.and it would also carry over into other sports.i realize this whole thing is great fun for people who dont care or know anything about hockey but when a football player gets charged for a similar thing we'll see what everyones reaction is.i'll be sure to point out the illegal offenses this football season and see how everyone reacts.
and again,if you dont play hockey,this doesnt affect you so dont worry about it

12 lb. nestle crunch · Post by **12 lb. nestle crunch** » March 14, 2004 11:20 pm

tommcat327 wrote:intersesting article lee and some valid points made.my problem with it as i said earlier is that it would set a precedent for the courts to go to on a regular basis.and anytime lawyers get involved in something it will come out twisted so far you forgot what the original concern was.
then you would have people being charged or sued for tripping.and it would also carry over into other sports.i realize this whole thing is great fun for people who dont care or know anything about hockey but when a football player gets charged for a similar thing we'll see what everyones reaction is.i'll be sure to point out the illegal offenses this football season and see how everyone reacts.
and again,if you dont play hockey,this doesnt affect you so dont worry about it

i just want to know if you understand that tripping someone is not breaking a rule of the NHL. when a player starts a fight, he is BREAKING A RULE OF THE NHL. and youre saying that if someone intentionally breaks a rule of the NHL and kills someone, they shouldnt be convicted of murder?

a driver in nascar who accidentally kills someone is not intentionallly killing someone, it is an UNDERSTOOD RISK. fighting IS NOT AN UNDERSTOOD RISK, IT IS AGAINST THE RULES OF THE NHL.

and if a terrorist kills 10 people far away from your house it doesnt affect you, so dont worry about it

tommcat327 · Post by **tommcat327** » March 14, 2004 11:26 pm

12 lb. nestle crunch wrote:i just want to know if you understand that tripping someone is not breaking a rule of the NHL. when a player starts a fight, he is BREAKING A RULE OF THE NHL. and youre saying that if someone intentionally breaks a rule of the NHL and kills someone, they shouldnt be convicted of murder?

a driver in nascar who accidentally kills someone is not intentionallly killing someone, it is an UNDERSTOOD RISK. fighting IS NOT AN UNDERSTOOD RISK, IT IS AGAINST THE RULES OF THE NHL.

of course tripping is breaking the rules,thats why you go to the box.i've been playing hockey longer than you've been alive so i'm pretty sure my knowledge of the game is pretty good

fighting and tripping are both penalties.2 minutes and five minutes respectively
and fighting IS an understood risk in hockey.ask any player,check canadian law.i dont know where you get your ideas from

12 lb. nestle crunch · Post by **12 lb. nestle crunch** » March 14, 2004 11:31 pm

tommcat327 wrote:
12 lb. nestle crunch wrote:i just want to know if you understand that tripping someone is not breaking a rule of the NHL. when a player starts a fight, he is BREAKING A RULE OF THE NHL. and youre saying that if someone intentionally breaks a rule of the NHL and kills someone, they shouldnt be convicted of murder?

a driver in nascar who accidentally kills someone is not intentionallly killing someone, it is an UNDERSTOOD RISK. fighting IS NOT AN UNDERSTOOD RISK, IT IS AGAINST THE RULES OF THE NHL.
of course tripping is breaking the rules,thats why you go to the box.i've been playing hockey longer than you've been alive so i'm pretty sure my knowledge of the game is pretty good fighting and tripping are both penalties.2 minutes and five minutes respectively
and fighting IS an understood risk in hockey.ask any player,check canadian law.i dont know where you get your ideas from

ok, i am mistaking "tripping" for physical contact which causes a fall. i dont know the terminolgy.

if fighting is an understood risk, please show me an NHL contract which states that a player must UNDERSTAND that he will get into fights, and that could result in death

tommcat327 · Post by **tommcat327** » March 14, 2004 11:44 pm

12 lb. nestle crunch wrote:ok, i am mistaking "tripping" for physical contact which causes a fall. i dont know the terminolgy.

if fighting is an understood risk, please show me an NHL contract which states that a player must UNDERSTAND that he will get into fights, and that could result in death

ANY physical contact resulting in a fall is a 2 minute penalty.boarding,which is a hit from behind into the boards is still only a 2 minute penalty.spearing,which is self explanatory is the same,as is crosschecking.which is holding your stick with both hands and driving into your opponent.all happen regularly in a game,pro or amateur.
and any play which the ref determines was excessive will get you an extra penalty for "intent to injure".and fighting is simply a 5 minute penalty.
if that isnt proof enough that violence and fighting is an understood risk i will find you copy of canadian law.

even i have to sign a waiver for every league i play in that states injury and death are a good possibility of the game

12 lb. nestle crunch · Post by **12 lb. nestle crunch** » March 15, 2004 12:53 am

tommcat327 wrote:
12 lb. nestle crunch wrote:ok, i am mistaking "tripping" for physical contact which causes a fall. i dont know the terminolgy.

if fighting is an understood risk, please show me an NHL contract which states that a player must UNDERSTAND that he will get into fights, and that could result in death
ANY physical contact resulting in a fall is a 2 minute penalty.boarding,which is a hit from behind into the boards is still only a 2 minute penalty.spearing,which is self explanatory is the same,as is crosschecking.which is holding your stick with both hands and driving into your opponent.all happen regularly in a game,pro or amateur.
and any play which the ref determines was excessive will get you an extra penalty for "intent to injure".and fighting is simply a 5 minute penalty.
if that isnt proof enough that violence and fighting is an understood risk i will find you copy of canadian law. even i have to sign a waiver for every league i play in that states injury and death are a good possibility of the game

im not questioning whether death is a risk of playing. i am talking about intentional death vs. unintentional death. killing someone by accidentally tripping them is unintentional. killing someone by fighting is intentional, just like pulling the trigger of a gun

fishinforfood · Post by **fishinforfood** » March 15, 2004 12:58 am

so you sign a waiver for every league you play in, and by signing that waiver somewhere deep inside your mind your assuming this covers someone purposely attempting to brutalize you without your knowledge? that is an awesome concept, that by signing a waiver you open the door for someone use a stick to crush your skull, or cowardly attack you from the back and sucker punch you and drive you into the ground. and as for football, I played, and had scholarships to play to Division 1 before I got injured. if someone took off there helmet and used it to beat a man unconcious and nearly to death, or if a DL went after a play and threw a quarterback to the ground, and used his cleat to crush his throat, you bet your ass i would call for the cops, i wouldn't stand for that in my sport. I also watch baseball, and if someone came out of duggout to settle a conflict from 2 weeks ago by using a bat to hit a pitcher in the face who wasn't paying attention, i would hope MLB would prosocute him to death. Think about those comparisons, especially the NFL one. That should hit awfully close to home for you. that kind of violence is not acceptable in ANY place. A boxer understand the risk he is getting into so does a pro football player and a hockey player, non of them sign on to get sucker punched by some a**hole with a chip on his shoulder from a CLEAN hit months ago. it was malicious and unacceptable you should try and come to terms with that.

12 lb. nestle crunch · Post by **12 lb. nestle crunch** » March 15, 2004 1:16 am

fishinforfood wrote:so you sign a waiver for every league you play in, and by signing that waiver somewhere deep inside your mind your assuming this covers someone purposely attempting to brutalize you without your knowledge? that is an awesome concept, that by signing a waiver you open the door for someone use a stick to crush your skull, or cowardly attack you from the back and sucker punch you and drive you into the ground. and as for football, I played, and had scholarships to play to Division 1 before I got injured. if someone took off there helmet and used it to beat a man unconcious and nearly to death, or if a DL went after a play and threw a quarterback to the ground, and used his cleat to crush his throat, you bet your ass i would call for the cops, i wouldn't stand for that in my sport. I also watch baseball, and if someone came out of duggout to settle a conflict from 2 weeks ago by using a bat to hit a pitcher in the face who wasn't paying attention, i would hope MLB would prosocute him to death. Think about those comparisons, especially the NFL one. That should hit awfully close to home for you. that kind of violence is not acceptable in ANY place. A boxer understand the risk he is getting into so does a pro football player and a hockey player, non of them sign on to get sucker punched by some a**hole with a chip on his shoulder from a CLEAN hit months ago. it was malicious and unacceptable you should try and come to terms with that.

wow, that was great. well said!

i played a little ball myself. cornerback in high school. and btw, GO SAINTS!

fishinforfood · Post by **fishinforfood** » March 15, 2004 1:21 am

oh man, a saints fan. Im from tampa (school in Boca Raton) and have been a Bucs fan most of my life, guess im a little upset as to what is happening to one of the greatest defenses of all time...

12 lb. nestle crunch · Post by **12 lb. nestle crunch** » March 15, 2004 1:31 am

im actually considering transferring to USF in the fall. beautiful campus...

fishinforfood · Post by **fishinforfood** » March 15, 2004 1:36 am

Agreed, that was actually one of the schools I had the option of playing for still have a lot of friends that go to school there

tommcat327 · Post by **tommcat327** » March 15, 2004 7:53 am

12 lb. nestle crunch wrote: im not questioning whether death is a risk of playing. i am talking about intentional death vs. unintentional death. killing someone by accidentally tripping them is unintentional. killing someone by fighting is intentional, just like pulling the trigger of a gun

so you're saying that everytime there's a hockey fight that they are intentionally trying to kill each other?that must be why the 2 guys can be good friends and go out for a beer after

look,you clearly have no understanding of hockey,its rules or traditions so i'll just end this by saying if you dont like it,dont watch.leave hockey alone for those of us who do

tommcat327 · Post by **tommcat327** » March 15, 2004 7:58 am

fishinforfood wrote:so you sign a waiver for every league you play in, and by signing that waiver somewhere deep inside your mind your assuming this covers someone purposely attempting to brutalize you without your knowledge? that is an awesome concept, that by signing a waiver you open the door for someone use a stick to crush your skull, or cowardly attack you from the back and sucker punch you and drive you into the ground. and as for football, I played, and had scholarships to play to Division 1 before I got injured. if someone took off there helmet and used it to beat a man unconcious and nearly to death, or if a DL went after a play and threw a quarterback to the ground, and used his cleat to crush his throat, you bet your ass i would call for the cops, i wouldn't stand for that in my sport. I also watch baseball, and if someone came out of duggout to settle a conflict from 2 weeks ago by using a bat to hit a pitcher in the face who wasn't paying attention, i would hope MLB would prosocute him to death. Think about those comparisons, especially the NFL one. That should hit awfully close to home for you. that kind of violence is not acceptable in ANY place. A boxer understand the risk he is getting into so does a pro football player and a hockey player, non of them sign on to get sucker punched by some a**hole with a chip on his shoulder from a CLEAN hit months ago. it was malicious and unacceptable you should try and come to terms with that.

yes i do assume i may be hurt in that manner.i have been hit in the mask by someone who took a 2 handed baseball swing with his stick.i didnt try to sue him or have him arrested.
and i doubt very much that bertuzzi ever intended to break moores neck.i know what he did was wrong and stupid but people get punched in the head everyday in hockey with the result usually being a simple fight so i'd guess that was what he was going for.i'd be more concerned with the instances of people going for other guys knees(in hockey and football)the intent of that could not possibly be anything other than serious injury possibly ending a career.yet these hits do happen and nobody gets taken to court for them.

12 lb. nestle crunch · Post by **12 lb. nestle crunch** » March 15, 2004 1:25 pm

tommcat327 wrote:
12 lb. nestle crunch wrote: im not questioning whether death is a risk of playing. i am talking about intentional death vs. unintentional death. killing someone by accidentally tripping them is unintentional. killing someone by fighting is intentional, just like pulling the trigger of a gun
so you're saying that everytime there's a hockey fight that they are intentionally trying to kill each other?that must be why the 2 guys can be good friends and go out for a beer after look,you clearly have no understanding of hockey,its rules or traditions so i'll just end this by saying if you dont like it,dont watch.leave hockey alone for those of us who do

this has nothing to do with wheter i like hockey or not. if this were to happen in football i would still feel the same.

you and I do not understand the rules or traditions of terrorist groups, so lets just end it by saying if you dont like it, dont take part in it. leave terrorism alone for for those who do. /sarcasm off

12 lb. nestle crunch · Post by **12 lb. nestle crunch** » March 15, 2004 1:30 pm

this is ridiculous, im finished posting on the thread.

hockey is the god of all sports. lets let them do everything that other sports are not allowed to do, and if someone dies, oh well. they are exempt from the law. the law sucks, the goverment sucks, all politicians are liars and thieves, and law enforcement is the anti-christ. /more sarcasm off

tommcat327 · Post by **tommcat327** » March 15, 2004 1:36 pm

12 lb. nestle crunch wrote:this is ridiculous, im finished posting on the thread.

hockey is the god of all sports. lets let them do everything that other sports are not allowed to do, and if someone dies, oh well. they are exempt from the law. the law sucks, the goverment sucks, all politicians are liars and thieves, and law enforcement is the anti-christ. /more sarcasm off

ITS ABOUT TIME YOU SAW THINGS MY WAY.

12 lb. nestle crunch · Post by **12 lb. nestle crunch** » March 15, 2004 1:45 pm

tommcat327 wrote:
12 lb. nestle crunch wrote:this is ridiculous, im finished posting on the thread.

hockey is the god of all sports. lets let them do everything that other sports are not allowed to do, and if someone dies, oh well. they are exempt from the law. the law sucks, the goverment sucks, all politicians are liars and thieves, and law enforcement is the anti-christ. /more sarcasm off
ITS ABOUT TIME YOU SAW THINGS MY WAY.

p.s. dont become a lawyer, you wouldnt win many cases

wait hold on, the caps are off

DONT BECOME A LAWYER

there im finished. have a nice day.

tommcat327 · Post by **tommcat327** » March 15, 2004 2:00 pm

12 lb. nestle crunch wrote:
tommcat327 wrote:
12 lb. nestle crunch wrote:this is ridiculous, im finished posting on the thread.

hockey is the god of all sports. lets let them do everything that other sports are not allowed to do, and if someone dies, oh well. they are exempt from the law. the law sucks, the goverment sucks, all politicians are liars and thieves, and law enforcement is the anti-christ. /more sarcasm off
ITS ABOUT TIME YOU SAW THINGS MY WAY.
p.s. dont become a lawyer, you wouldnt win many cases

wait hold on, the caps are off

DONT BECOME A LAWYER

there im finished. have a nice day.

THATS THE LAST JOB I'D WANT.NOBODY LIKES LAWYERS.