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CaribbnSoul wrote: I beleive that Moore should be able to bring a civil suit against Bertuzzi.

ALSO A BAD IDEA,AGAIN IT SETS A PRECEDENT FOR TAKING AN INHERENTLY DANGEROUS GAME INTO COURT AND ALLOWING PEOPLE WHO KNOW NOTHING ABOUT IT TO MAKE RULINGS ON IT.NEXT THING YOU KNOW SOMEONE IS GETTING SUED FOR A TRIP THAT ENDS UP VERY BAD OR FOR FIGHTING.ALL CRIMINAL ACTS ON THE STREET BUT NORMAL IN HOCKEY

FINS26 AND BEERMAN,WHAT LEVEL ARE YOU PLAYING AT RIGHT NOW?

tommcat327 wrote:FINS26 AND BEERMAN,WHAT LEVEL ARE YOU PLAYING AT RIGHT NOW?

I gave up hockey years ago. Now I am a hockey dad. 5-year-old started playing this year.

The punishment that has been handed out in my opinion suits the offense. What happened was stupid, but not malicious. If we let the NHL overreact to this, professional hockey as we know it is gone. Bertuzzi tried to get Moore to swuare up, and Moore refused. Bertuzzi got frustrated, and made a stupid emotional decision. Anyone who does not understand this has never played the game.

PHBeerman wrote:

tommcat327 wrote:FINS26 AND BEERMAN,WHAT LEVEL ARE YOU PLAYING AT RIGHT NOW?

I gave up hockey years ago. Now I am a hockey dad. 5-year-old started playing this year.

The punishment that has been handed out in my opinion suits the offense. What happened was stupid, but not malicious. If we let the NHL overreact to this, professional hockey as we know it is gone. Bertuzzi tried to get Moore to swuare up, and Moore refused. Bertuzzi got frustrated, and made a stupid emotional decision. Anyone who does not understand this has never played the game.

I COULD NOT HAVE SAID IT ANY BETTER
TI DOMI PRETTY MUCH SAID THE SAME THING YESTERDAY.IF YOU HAVE NOT PLAYED THE GAME THEN YOU CAN NOT UNDERSTAND THIS AT ALL

WHY'D YA GIVE UP PLAYING,I HAVE A BUNCH OF DADS ON MY OVER 30 TEAMS

tommcat327 wrote:

PHBeerman wrote:

tommcat327 wrote:FINS26 AND BEERMAN,WHAT LEVEL ARE YOU PLAYING AT RIGHT NOW?

I gave up hockey years ago. Now I am a hockey dad. 5-year-old started playing this year.

The punishment that has been handed out in my opinion suits the offense. What happened was stupid, but not malicious. If we let the NHL overreact to this, professional hockey as we know it is gone. Bertuzzi tried to get Moore to swuare up, and Moore refused. Bertuzzi got frustrated, and made a stupid emotional decision. Anyone who does not understand this has never played the game.

I COULD NOT HAVE SAID IT ANY BETTER
TI DOMI PRETTY MUCH SAID THE SAME THING YESTERDAY.IF YOU HAVE NOT PLAYED THE GAME THEN YOU CAN NOT UNDERSTAND THIS AT ALL

WHY'D YA GIVE UP PLAYING,I HAVE A BUNCH OF DADS ON MY OVER 30 TEAMS

Hockey was not on the radar here in Boise until a few years ago. Now I have a lot on my plate. Hope to get back on the ice competitively when I finsh my masters in a few years

PHBeerman wrote: Hockey was not on the radar here in Boise until a few years ago. Now I have a lot on my plate. Hope to get back on the ice competitively when I finsh my masters in a few years

COOL.I'D GO NUTS IF I WASN'T SKATING REGULARLY

tommcat327 wrote:

PHBeerman wrote: Hockey was not on the radar here in Boise until a few years ago. Now I have a lot on my plate. Hope to get back on the ice competitively when I finsh my masters in a few years

COOL.I'D GO NUTS IF I WASN'T SKATING REGULARLY

I'd go skating more if I wasn't nuts regularly...

HockeyParrotHead wrote:

tommcat327 wrote:

PHBeerman wrote: Hockey was not on the radar here in Boise until a few years ago. Now I have a lot on my plate. Hope to get back on the ice competitively when I finsh my masters in a few years

COOL.I'D GO NUTS IF I WASN'T SKATING REGULARLY

I'd go skating more if I wasn't nuts regularly...

I COMBINE THE 2 QUITE NICELY

I just have to wonder one thing, and this may have been brought up already, I have been down in the key west for spring break and haven't really checked this post. How would your feelings be if he had died? I'm not throwing this up for argument you all have made good points and seeing as how I don't play hockey, I guess I can't relate to how this type of thing works, just wondering what you think would have been appropriate had the "fight" left him dead...?

i havnt been reading this whole thread, and maybe this has been mentioned. im not a hockey fan. maybe someone can tell me why fighting is so much more acceptable in hockey than in other equally physical and competitive sports, such as football. i am a HUGE football fan, and i dont understand why fighting is acceptable in any sport. if you want to fight, go to the ultimate fighting championship.

and yes, what if he would have died?

if fighting has a "place" in hockey, what kind of message is that sending to our youth. if in fact fighting does belong in hockey, my (future) children will not be playing hockey. while football is extremely physical, fighting is not acceptable. penalties are even given for taunting or anything else that could start a fight.

12 lb. nestle crunch wrote:i havnt been reading this whole thread, and maybe this has been mentioned. im not a hockey fan. maybe someone can tell me why fighting is so much more acceptable in hockey than in other equally physical and competitive sports, such as football. i am a HUGE football fan, and i dont understand why fighting is acceptable in any sport. if you want to fight, go to the ultimate fighting championship.

and yes, what if he would have died?

if fighting has a "place" in hockey, what kind of message is that sending to our youth. if in fact fighting does belong in hockey, my (future) children will not be playing hockey. while football is extremely physical, fighting is not acceptable. penalties are even given for taunting or anything else that could start a fight.

i really cant speak for other sports as i dont play or like them.so i have no reply for that one
as far as penalties given in football for taunting go i'd say they aren't very effective.i cannot believe the taunting and showboating that i see when i do watch the occasional football game,those guys have no class at all and deserve no respect from anyone,especially children.you dont see hockey players doing that crap.maybe because they are allowed to fight who knows?and like i said before,if you havent played you wont get it.and as i have found out over the years it just cannot be explained to a non hockey person.
and if he had died?i dont know what my feelings on that would be.i'm positive i would still believe that the law has no place in hockey regarding on ice altercations,ever.

tommcat327 wrote:

12 lb. nestle crunch wrote:i havnt been reading this whole thread, and maybe this has been mentioned. im not a hockey fan. maybe someone can tell me why fighting is so much more acceptable in hockey than in other equally physical and competitive sports, such as football. i am a HUGE football fan, and i dont understand why fighting is acceptable in any sport. if you want to fight, go to the ultimate fighting championship.

and yes, what if he would have died?

if fighting has a "place" in hockey, what kind of message is that sending to our youth. if in fact fighting does belong in hockey, my (future) children will not be playing hockey. while football is extremely physical, fighting is not acceptable. penalties are even given for taunting or anything else that could start a fight.

i really cant speak for other sports as i dont play or like them.so i have no reply for that one
as far as penalties given in football for taunting go i'd say they aren't very effective.i cannot believe the taunting and showboating that i see when i do watch the occasional football game,those guys have no class at all and deserve no respect from anyone,especially children.you dont see hockey players doing that crap.maybe because they are allowed to fight who knows?and like i said before,if you havent played you wont get it.and as i have found out over the years it just cannot be explained to a non hockey person.
and if he had died?i dont know what my feelings on that would be.i'm positive i would still believe that the law has no place in hockey regarding on ice altercations,ever.

why would the law have no place? last i checked, hockey takes place on american soil, which is governed by the law. fighting should be "exempt" in hockey but no where else?

and the fact of whether i am a non-hockey person or not means nothing. hockey is not the god of sports and should be exempt from laws other sports are under.

there is a lot of showboating in football, but it is NEVER directed toward players of the other team. it is celebrating within the scoring team, not a tease. not having class is one thing, but physically assaulting another person is completly different.

if that player would have died and you would still think the law should not intervine, then i have to ask if you have any morals whatsoever. if that player would have died, then that is MURDER. you cannot accidentally get into a fight, you have to willingly participate. it is no different if you accidentally kill a pedestrian in your car; you willingly chose to drive your car, which is a deadly weapon.

tommcat327 wrote:

fishinforfood wrote:Always seems to be happening in Vancouver. Must be something in the water up there, still just a pathetic display of sportsmanship. I agree he should be banned, and I think he deserves to get charged. Understandbly things happen in sports, this was an unprovoked attack, send him to jail and let him see what happens the next time he throws a sucker punch...

wrong as it may have been he should not be charged in any court.this was an on ice altercation and it should be dealt with strictly by the NHL.an outside party that may know nothing about the sport should not be making any decisions.the same for the McSorely case,that was a big mistake to get the law involved

That reasoning says it is not against the law to (while on the ice) take your stick & crush someone's skull or knock someone out & break their neck?
I wasn't aware there were "times" when things like this are allowed in society-
other then war that is..

12 lb. nestle crunch wrote: why would the law have no place? last i checked, hockey takes place on american soil, which is governed by the law. fighting should be "exempt" in hockey but no where else?

and the fact of whether i am a non-hockey person or not means nothing. hockey is not the god of sports and should be exempt from laws other sports are under.

there is a lot of showboating in football, but it is NEVER directed toward players of the other team. it is celebrating within the scoring team, not a tease. not having class is one thing, but physically assaulting another person is completly different.

if that player would have died and you would still think the law should not intervine, then i have to ask if you have any morals whatsoever. if that player would have died, then that is MURDER. you cannot accidentally get into a fight, you have to willingly participate. it is no different if you accidentally kill a pedestrian in your car; you willingly chose to drive your car, which is a deadly weapon.

fighting already is exempt,it is a part of the game that everyone who plays it knows about.if you read more carefully you would have seen my(and many others)reasoning for the law having no place in hockey.technically an infraction of the law happens every few minutes on the ice.hitting someone with a stick,tripping someone to the ice,hitting someone into the boards are all assault.
and for you to say that taunting in football is NEVER directed at another player is ridiculous
comparing it to driving your car makes no sense,people driving or walking on the sidewalk did not agree that they were aware they may be struck by a car.playing hockey(or other contact sports)you know that you are going to be hit,tripped,get into fights,etc.
would you also like the local traffic police to issue citations when NASCAR is in town?maybe some speeding tickets,or driving to endanger when they cause an accident?

LaTda wrote:That reasoning says it is not against the law to (while on the ice) take your stick & crush someone's skull or knock someone out & break their neck?
I wasn't aware there were "times" when things like this are allowed in society-
other then war that is..

no,it's not against the law.and they aren't in society,they are engaged in a contact sport.your thinking would have hockey,football,boxing,rugby,car racing and many others made illegal.what they do in their respective sports are all against the law in "society".

tommcat327 wrote: fighting already is exempt,it is a part of the game that everyone who plays it knows about.if you read more carefully you would have seen my(and many others)reasoning for the law having no place in hockey.technically an infraction of the law happens every few minutes on the ice.hitting someone with a stick,tripping someone to the ice,hitting someone into the boards are all assault.

the law allows you to abide by the rules of sports, which include physical contact. the rules of sports do not allow for assault. when you sign a contract to play hockey, you are saying "i understand that i am not allowed to physically assault someone in a manner which the rules do not allow." if someone dies while playing football due to a hard hit, that is accidental. an athelete understands he may die by playing by the rules of the game. if an athelete dies while being physically assaulted, that is intentional MURDER

and for you to say that taunting in football is NEVER directed at another player is ridiculous

when joe horn pulled out a cell phone after a touchdown, he didnt walk up to a member of the falcons and do it, or look at him in the eye, or say anything to him. he did it completly away from any falcons members.

comparing it to driving your car makes no sense,people driving or walking on the sidewalk did not agree that they were aware they may be struck by a car.playing hockey(or other contact sports)you know that you are going to be hit,tripped,get into fights,etc.

why does a player need to know that he will get into fights, when the rules clearly prohibit it. having the rules prohibit fighting should ensure that he WONT get into a fight

would you also like the local traffic police to issue citations when NASCAR is in town?maybe some speeding tickets,or driving to endanger when they cause an accident?

NASCAR never tells its audience members that they wont get hurt ever. The audience members understand they are putting their lives at risk by attending. they understand and accept the risk of ACCIDENTAL DEATH.

however, death by fighting (which is prohibited by the rules) is not accidental.

12 lb. nestle crunch wrote:NASCAR never tells its audience members that they wont get hurt ever. The audience members understand they are putting their lives at risk by attending. they understand and accept the risk of ACCIDENTAL DEATH.

however, death by fighting (which is prohibited by the rules) is not accidental.

i was referring to the drivers,not the fans.arresting a hockey player for fighting is equivalent to giving a race car driver a speeding ticket in my opinion.
and as far as hockey goes i'd say the best thing you could do is simply not watch it if it bothers you that much,please.

tommcat327 wrote:

12 lb. nestle crunch wrote:NASCAR never tells its audience members that they wont get hurt ever. The audience members understand they are putting their lives at risk by attending. they understand and accept the risk of ACCIDENTAL DEATH.

however, death by fighting (which is prohibited by the rules) is not accidental.

i was referring to the drivers,not the fans.arresting a hockey player for fighting is equivalent to giving a race car driver a speeding ticket in my opinion.
and as far as hockey goes i'd say the best thing you could do is simply not watch it if it bothers you that much,please.

i dont think you understand how the law works, really.

i know from your previous posts that you have predetermined hate for the government and the law. whatever, fine. that doesnt mean intentionally killing someone is ok. lets just have anarchy and let people do whatever they want

12 lb. nestle crunch wrote: i dont think you understand how the law works, really.

i know from your previous posts that you have predetermined hate for the government and the law. whatever, fine. that doesnt mean intentionally killing someone is ok. lets just have anarchy and let people do whatever they want

yup,that must be it

Actually in the case of NASCAR, if a driver does get killed in a crash, the accident scene immediately falls under the control of the local police department and/or the department of motor vehicles.

Speeding tickets are irrelevent because the speedways are private property. You can drive as fast as you want around your yard if its big enough.