Posted: June 11, 2004 11:25 am
This week ?diamonddan wrote:I'll be there Friday night.
The band is in Greensboro all week, using the coliseum for rehearsals.
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Posted: June 11, 2004 12:14 pm
yes, this week. concert is tonite!
Posted: June 20, 2004 11:13 pm
I was there Wendesday night in Philly, and they've never been better. Hopefully I'll catch another show or two this year
Posted: June 21, 2004 1:00 am
I agree. I went Saturday night in Worcester they sounded great, on the floor 15 rows from stage one hell of a show. You would never know they are all around 50.DTinPA wrote:I was there Wendesday night in Philly, and they've never been better. Hopefully I'll catch another show or two this year
Flagpole Concert Review
Posted: July 12, 2004 4:30 pm
From Flagpole.com:
http://fairmountfair.com/flagpole/main/ ... php?fp=103
VAN HALEN
June 11, 2004
Greensboro Coliseum, Greensboro, NC
Van Halen is back! Okay, so it's not the Van Halen, but if opening night is any indication, this Van Halen will do just fine! The Greensboro stop was the first for the Hagar-led lineup up in nearly a decade, so the anticipation was incredibly high.
Even before the opening strains of "Jump!" filled the arena, the keyed up crowd was chanting for the band!
When the quartet finally arrived, it felt like old times with good friends. Early on, Sammy Hagar expressed his nervousness, claiming that he hadn't been able to sleep for days; but if anyone in Van Halen was tired from lack of sleep, it didn't show. Most surprisingly, despite his battle with cancer and a hip replacement, guitar god Eddie Van Halen had energy to spare, leaping around the hi-tech stage with a perma-grin. He even stepped behind the mic to sing a verse of "Why Can't This Be Love" to the delight of the faithful.
Meanwhile, brother Alex's trademark drumming still simulates a cattle stampede with remarkable accuracy and Michael Anthony's invisibly permeating bottom end was just the same as before. In another interesting turn, the usually lost in the mix bassist got his chance to shine as lead vocalist on a spastic "Somebody Get Me A Doctor." Obviously, the set list was geared around Hagar-centric tunes like "Poundcake," "Dreams" and "Best Of Both Worlds." This worked well enough, but when the band slammed head first into numbers like "Panama" and "Unchained," it was evident where loyalties were.
Hagar, having clearly come to terms with the band's legacy showed a new-found respect for the David Lee Roth material, even making "Ain't Talkin' ‘Bout Love" the ultimate high as he did it justice from the catwalks of the lighting trusses. Near the end of the main set, Eddie did an extended "Eruption" that featured the intro to "Little Guitars" and repeated bits of "Cathedral" surrounded by stunning new bits that'll no doubt leak onto future VH discs. During his solo, the excitement was palpable. Seeing him nail those building block hammer-ons, tortured soul screams and laughing hyena licks with perfect precision melted away years from the performer and his fans. It wasn't long before the audience broke into chants of "Eddie, "Eddie" that actually brought the metal man to tears before he murmured something about this being "the best night of my life."
"Right Now" ended the show with renewed potency. Screens showed the familiar phrases from the award winning video of the song. Some, such as "Right now, your government is doing things you think only other governments do" were particularly weighty with the current Abu Ghraib scandal. This is rock and roll, though, so the song ended with "Right now, Van Halen is kicking your ass in Greensboro." No one could argue! Welcome back.
http://fairmountfair.com/flagpole/main/ ... php?fp=103
VAN HALEN
June 11, 2004
Greensboro Coliseum, Greensboro, NC
Van Halen is back! Okay, so it's not the Van Halen, but if opening night is any indication, this Van Halen will do just fine! The Greensboro stop was the first for the Hagar-led lineup up in nearly a decade, so the anticipation was incredibly high.
Even before the opening strains of "Jump!" filled the arena, the keyed up crowd was chanting for the band!
When the quartet finally arrived, it felt like old times with good friends. Early on, Sammy Hagar expressed his nervousness, claiming that he hadn't been able to sleep for days; but if anyone in Van Halen was tired from lack of sleep, it didn't show. Most surprisingly, despite his battle with cancer and a hip replacement, guitar god Eddie Van Halen had energy to spare, leaping around the hi-tech stage with a perma-grin. He even stepped behind the mic to sing a verse of "Why Can't This Be Love" to the delight of the faithful.
Meanwhile, brother Alex's trademark drumming still simulates a cattle stampede with remarkable accuracy and Michael Anthony's invisibly permeating bottom end was just the same as before. In another interesting turn, the usually lost in the mix bassist got his chance to shine as lead vocalist on a spastic "Somebody Get Me A Doctor." Obviously, the set list was geared around Hagar-centric tunes like "Poundcake," "Dreams" and "Best Of Both Worlds." This worked well enough, but when the band slammed head first into numbers like "Panama" and "Unchained," it was evident where loyalties were.
Hagar, having clearly come to terms with the band's legacy showed a new-found respect for the David Lee Roth material, even making "Ain't Talkin' ‘Bout Love" the ultimate high as he did it justice from the catwalks of the lighting trusses. Near the end of the main set, Eddie did an extended "Eruption" that featured the intro to "Little Guitars" and repeated bits of "Cathedral" surrounded by stunning new bits that'll no doubt leak onto future VH discs. During his solo, the excitement was palpable. Seeing him nail those building block hammer-ons, tortured soul screams and laughing hyena licks with perfect precision melted away years from the performer and his fans. It wasn't long before the audience broke into chants of "Eddie, "Eddie" that actually brought the metal man to tears before he murmured something about this being "the best night of my life."
"Right Now" ended the show with renewed potency. Screens showed the familiar phrases from the award winning video of the song. Some, such as "Right now, your government is doing things you think only other governments do" were particularly weighty with the current Abu Ghraib scandal. This is rock and roll, though, so the song ended with "Right now, Van Halen is kicking your ass in Greensboro." No one could argue! Welcome back.
Van Halen / July 19, 2004 / Chicago (United Center)
Posted: July 26, 2004 1:54 pm
From Billboard.com:
http://www.billboard.com/bb/livereviews ... 1000581535
Van Halen / July 19, 2004 / Chicago (United Center)
For lack of a better theme -- and lack of a better way to score dependable crowds -- 2004 is going down as the Summer of the Reunion/Best-Of Arena Tour. Prince is staging multi-night stands across the land with his glowingly received first "hits" tour in years; Madonna's similar venture has been unenthusiastically reviewed but no less well-attended.
But the tale of Van Halen is a little more complex than theirs, or almost anyone's. At this point in the game, attempting to document the band's chronology and record of lead singer switcheroos (what Dennis Miller once called "rock's equivalent of the Dick Sargent/Dick York controversy") has become exhausting and kind of comical. Suffice it to say that when Van Halen announced this "comeback" tour, they did it with the eight-years-gone Sammy Hagar, said he'd sing David Lee Roth's songs, dropped some stock lines about it being the right time and largely left it at that.
Such calculated simplicity is transparent and briefly off-putting, but eventually it proves, well, welcome. Thinking too much about Van Halen is like writing a doctorate on "Spaceballs." Indeed, eager fans packed Chicago's sold-out United Center not to debate Roth vs. Hagar or wonder where Gary Cherone might have gone. They were there to hear the hits (and they did, with a few monstrous exceptions), marvel at Eddie's nimble-as-ever fingers ripping into bits of "Eruption" (they did) and hear Hagar faithfully belt out songs from both he and Roth's respective tenures (he struggled to).
What resulted was the too-stock definition of a greatest hits show, one with an identical set most nights, that came complete with an army's worth of fist-pumping and golden-god preening. It found each member -- Hagar, Eddie Van Halen, bassist Michael Anthony and drummer Alex Van Halen -- welcomed as a conquering hero during their respective solos (when Eddie triumphantly held up the kitschy electric drill that helps open "Poundcake," he held it aloft like the spoils of battle).
But it was a show that boasted none of the timeless triumph of Prince's, nor the showmanship of Madonna's, and for that matter, it lacked the continued potency of Bruce Springsteen or the nostalgic power of the Rolling Stones. The 2004 incarnation of Van Halen has noticeably less gas, is glitchier and more ragged, and produced a show that only occasionally red-lined and failed to build up much momentum.
In its most grievous pacing error, a blazing "Unchained" and a dated but nicely synth-kissed "Why Can't This Be Love" led directly into ... a two-song Sammy Hagar solo set that included the indigestible "Eagles Fly" and a guitar solo. Why Hagar spent any time doodling around with a guitar while Eddie Van Halen puttered around backstage is a musical question for the ages.
That said, credit Hagar, 56, for maintaining his trademark energy level throughout a generous two-plus hours, and the shirtless and ripped Eddie Van Halen, 49, for his successful comeback from a hip replacement, tongue cancer and the breakup of his 20-year marriage. Still, the fact remained that Hagar fought a losing battle with the high notes all night, often ceding the choruses to Anthony (the otherwise fiery "Runaround") and the crowd ("Top of the World").
Almost 30 years in, and despite its twists and turns, the Van Halen lead singer controversy continues to polarize fans, and on this night the Roth songs reigned as king -- when they materialized. For a show billed as career-spanning, it was heavy on the Hagar, and a lot of the insufferable prom-theme material such as "When It's Love" and "Dreams" at that. That said, the first set-closer "Right Now" got a surprisingly amped-up reading as an updated version of the seminal video played behind the band ("Right now, a 13-year-old is illegally downloading this song").
But there was a discernible jacking-up of the energy level when Eddie ripped into the opening riffs of "Unchained," "Ain't Talkin' 'Bout Love" and the band's blistering cover of the Kinks' "You Really Got Me" (though nagging guitar glitches sabotaged the latter, as they did an otherwise frothy "Panama"). Hagar took a few for the team by gamely tackling them -- really, 18 years into the Sammy regime, no one should have any bones about him covering Dave's stuff.
Conversely, three new tracks from the recent "The Best Of Both Worlds" hits package virtually begged to be ignored. "Up for Breakfast" resorts to an unending stream of groan-worthy clunkers such as "She puts the cream in my coffee/the butter on my biscuit," and the abysmal "It's About Time" is half nostalgic call-to-arms ("Turn your clock back/paint it red on black/bring it all right back"), half apology for the recent years Van Halen has failed to appropriately rock its fans ("Right now making up for lost time, yeah").
Clearly, Van Halen's intentions are good; they do want to make up for that time, and they do know how to host the party. But they're bringing little new to it, and their ability to replicate it suitably is slowly losing power. Too often, on this night, anyway, they sounded like a band running out of comebacks.
Here is Van Halen's set list:
"Jump"
"Runaround"
"Humans Being"
"Up for Breakfast"
Michael Anthony solo
"Somebody Get Me a Doctor"
"Poundcake"
"It's About Time"
Alex Van Halen solo
"Top of the World"
"Unchained"
"Why Can't This Be Love"
"Eagles Fly" (Sammy Hagar solo)
"Deeper Kind of Love" (Sammy Hagar solo)
"Learning To See"
"Best of Both Worlds"
Eddie Van Halen solo
"Dreams"
"Ain't Talkin' 'Bout Love"
"Right Now"
Encore 1:
"You Really Got Me"
"Panama"
Encore 2:
"When It's Love"
-- Jeff Vrabel, Chicago
http://www.billboard.com/bb/livereviews ... 1000581535
Van Halen / July 19, 2004 / Chicago (United Center)
For lack of a better theme -- and lack of a better way to score dependable crowds -- 2004 is going down as the Summer of the Reunion/Best-Of Arena Tour. Prince is staging multi-night stands across the land with his glowingly received first "hits" tour in years; Madonna's similar venture has been unenthusiastically reviewed but no less well-attended.
But the tale of Van Halen is a little more complex than theirs, or almost anyone's. At this point in the game, attempting to document the band's chronology and record of lead singer switcheroos (what Dennis Miller once called "rock's equivalent of the Dick Sargent/Dick York controversy") has become exhausting and kind of comical. Suffice it to say that when Van Halen announced this "comeback" tour, they did it with the eight-years-gone Sammy Hagar, said he'd sing David Lee Roth's songs, dropped some stock lines about it being the right time and largely left it at that.
Such calculated simplicity is transparent and briefly off-putting, but eventually it proves, well, welcome. Thinking too much about Van Halen is like writing a doctorate on "Spaceballs." Indeed, eager fans packed Chicago's sold-out United Center not to debate Roth vs. Hagar or wonder where Gary Cherone might have gone. They were there to hear the hits (and they did, with a few monstrous exceptions), marvel at Eddie's nimble-as-ever fingers ripping into bits of "Eruption" (they did) and hear Hagar faithfully belt out songs from both he and Roth's respective tenures (he struggled to).
What resulted was the too-stock definition of a greatest hits show, one with an identical set most nights, that came complete with an army's worth of fist-pumping and golden-god preening. It found each member -- Hagar, Eddie Van Halen, bassist Michael Anthony and drummer Alex Van Halen -- welcomed as a conquering hero during their respective solos (when Eddie triumphantly held up the kitschy electric drill that helps open "Poundcake," he held it aloft like the spoils of battle).
But it was a show that boasted none of the timeless triumph of Prince's, nor the showmanship of Madonna's, and for that matter, it lacked the continued potency of Bruce Springsteen or the nostalgic power of the Rolling Stones. The 2004 incarnation of Van Halen has noticeably less gas, is glitchier and more ragged, and produced a show that only occasionally red-lined and failed to build up much momentum.
In its most grievous pacing error, a blazing "Unchained" and a dated but nicely synth-kissed "Why Can't This Be Love" led directly into ... a two-song Sammy Hagar solo set that included the indigestible "Eagles Fly" and a guitar solo. Why Hagar spent any time doodling around with a guitar while Eddie Van Halen puttered around backstage is a musical question for the ages.
That said, credit Hagar, 56, for maintaining his trademark energy level throughout a generous two-plus hours, and the shirtless and ripped Eddie Van Halen, 49, for his successful comeback from a hip replacement, tongue cancer and the breakup of his 20-year marriage. Still, the fact remained that Hagar fought a losing battle with the high notes all night, often ceding the choruses to Anthony (the otherwise fiery "Runaround") and the crowd ("Top of the World").
Almost 30 years in, and despite its twists and turns, the Van Halen lead singer controversy continues to polarize fans, and on this night the Roth songs reigned as king -- when they materialized. For a show billed as career-spanning, it was heavy on the Hagar, and a lot of the insufferable prom-theme material such as "When It's Love" and "Dreams" at that. That said, the first set-closer "Right Now" got a surprisingly amped-up reading as an updated version of the seminal video played behind the band ("Right now, a 13-year-old is illegally downloading this song").
But there was a discernible jacking-up of the energy level when Eddie ripped into the opening riffs of "Unchained," "Ain't Talkin' 'Bout Love" and the band's blistering cover of the Kinks' "You Really Got Me" (though nagging guitar glitches sabotaged the latter, as they did an otherwise frothy "Panama"). Hagar took a few for the team by gamely tackling them -- really, 18 years into the Sammy regime, no one should have any bones about him covering Dave's stuff.
Conversely, three new tracks from the recent "The Best Of Both Worlds" hits package virtually begged to be ignored. "Up for Breakfast" resorts to an unending stream of groan-worthy clunkers such as "She puts the cream in my coffee/the butter on my biscuit," and the abysmal "It's About Time" is half nostalgic call-to-arms ("Turn your clock back/paint it red on black/bring it all right back"), half apology for the recent years Van Halen has failed to appropriately rock its fans ("Right now making up for lost time, yeah").
Clearly, Van Halen's intentions are good; they do want to make up for that time, and they do know how to host the party. But they're bringing little new to it, and their ability to replicate it suitably is slowly losing power. Too often, on this night, anyway, they sounded like a band running out of comebacks.
Here is Van Halen's set list:
"Jump"
"Runaround"
"Humans Being"
"Up for Breakfast"
Michael Anthony solo
"Somebody Get Me a Doctor"
"Poundcake"
"It's About Time"
Alex Van Halen solo
"Top of the World"
"Unchained"
"Why Can't This Be Love"
"Eagles Fly" (Sammy Hagar solo)
"Deeper Kind of Love" (Sammy Hagar solo)
"Learning To See"
"Best of Both Worlds"
Eddie Van Halen solo
"Dreams"
"Ain't Talkin' 'Bout Love"
"Right Now"
Encore 1:
"You Really Got Me"
"Panama"
Encore 2:
"When It's Love"
-- Jeff Vrabel, Chicago
Van Halen Slugs Orioles With $2M Suit
Posted: August 19, 2004 5:32 pm
From Billboard.com:
http://www.billboard.com/bb/daily/artic ... 1000615466
Van Halen is suing the Baltimore Orioles for at least $2 million in damages, charging that the Major League Baseball team reneged on an offer for the band to play a concert Sept. 2 at Oriole Park at Camden Yards.
The suit -- filed Aug. 10 in U.S. District Court in Los Angeles -- states that Orioles director of entertainment Don Mark, under the instruction of Orioles owner Peter Angelos, first contacted Van Halen's reps at the William Morris Agency in mid-April about playing at the stadium. According to the suit, "Van Halen was ambivalent about playing at the time requested by the Orioles," because the band would be performing in the southern United States, and playing Baltimore would "necessitate changing the tour routing previously planned."
The suit also notes that Van Halen was at the time engaged in a tour of mostly arenas, but "the Orioles insisted that they could more than compensate Van Halen for the expense and inconvenience scheduling the concert would cause."
According to court papers, the Orioles around April 27 made an offer in writing for $1 million, which the band rejected. The Orioles came back with an offer of $1.5 million, plus 80% of ticket revenues and 80% of gross merchandise revenues. Also included was a budget for expenses and a non-compete provision that prohibited Van Halen from performing in other venues in the vicinity of Baltimore.
The papers say that after numerous communications between the parties, Van Halen accepted the offer in mid-June. The band began making preparations for a Sept. 2 concert at Oriole Park; Van Halen claims it terminated any efforts to book another venue in the area, changed the dates of other scheduled concerts and did not pursue other opportunities.
The suit says that the Orioles in mid-July "repudiated the agreement, first by refusing to communicate or cooperate with Van Halen, and then expressly in a letter dated July 26 ... refusing to perform its obligations thereunder."
Mark tells Billboard.biz he had "no comment whatsoever" on the Van Halen situation. Van Halen attorney Howard E. King of King, Holmes, Paterno & Berliner in L.A., also declined to comment.
Van Halen's North American tour continues tonight (Aug. 19) in Los Angeles. A DVD of the 1986 concert film "Live Without a Net" arrives Sept. 14 via Warner Strategic Marketing.
-- Ray Waddell, Nashville
http://www.billboard.com/bb/daily/artic ... 1000615466
Van Halen is suing the Baltimore Orioles for at least $2 million in damages, charging that the Major League Baseball team reneged on an offer for the band to play a concert Sept. 2 at Oriole Park at Camden Yards.
The suit -- filed Aug. 10 in U.S. District Court in Los Angeles -- states that Orioles director of entertainment Don Mark, under the instruction of Orioles owner Peter Angelos, first contacted Van Halen's reps at the William Morris Agency in mid-April about playing at the stadium. According to the suit, "Van Halen was ambivalent about playing at the time requested by the Orioles," because the band would be performing in the southern United States, and playing Baltimore would "necessitate changing the tour routing previously planned."
The suit also notes that Van Halen was at the time engaged in a tour of mostly arenas, but "the Orioles insisted that they could more than compensate Van Halen for the expense and inconvenience scheduling the concert would cause."
According to court papers, the Orioles around April 27 made an offer in writing for $1 million, which the band rejected. The Orioles came back with an offer of $1.5 million, plus 80% of ticket revenues and 80% of gross merchandise revenues. Also included was a budget for expenses and a non-compete provision that prohibited Van Halen from performing in other venues in the vicinity of Baltimore.
The papers say that after numerous communications between the parties, Van Halen accepted the offer in mid-June. The band began making preparations for a Sept. 2 concert at Oriole Park; Van Halen claims it terminated any efforts to book another venue in the area, changed the dates of other scheduled concerts and did not pursue other opportunities.
The suit says that the Orioles in mid-July "repudiated the agreement, first by refusing to communicate or cooperate with Van Halen, and then expressly in a letter dated July 26 ... refusing to perform its obligations thereunder."
Mark tells Billboard.biz he had "no comment whatsoever" on the Van Halen situation. Van Halen attorney Howard E. King of King, Holmes, Paterno & Berliner in L.A., also declined to comment.
Van Halen's North American tour continues tonight (Aug. 19) in Los Angeles. A DVD of the 1986 concert film "Live Without a Net" arrives Sept. 14 via Warner Strategic Marketing.
-- Ray Waddell, Nashville
Posted: August 20, 2004 7:37 am
The latest Rolling Stone (The one with the "very hot")Lindsay Lohan on the cover, says that sales for the current VH Reunion tour have been so bad that they have been selling tickets for as low as $10.00 a seat. Is this a recent development? I thought VH was drawing big business?
Posted: August 20, 2004 9:13 am
A broker here in Atlanta wouldn't buy my floor seat 25 rows back dead center AT ALL !a1aara wrote:The latest Rolling Stone (The one with the "very hot")Lindsay Lohan on the cover, says that sales for the current VH Reunion tour have been so bad that they have been selling tickets for as low as $10.00 a seat. Is this a recent development? I thought VH was drawing big business?
Posted: August 20, 2004 9:25 am
I like Van Halen, not Van Haggar.
Posted: August 20, 2004 9:40 am
I am not saying this to argue between the two but have you heard Dave's voice lately ? His voice is SHOT!mexcooker12 wrote:I like Van Halen, not Van Haggar.
Posted: August 20, 2004 9:53 am
Van Halen's best is "1984" in my opinion.
So many good ones on there.
I liked Diamond Dave's over the top antics and swagger
So many good ones on there.
I liked Diamond Dave's over the top antics and swagger
Posted: August 20, 2004 10:10 am
I got bored with VH after their second album. I think Eddie got lazy and just kept putting the same thing out. I liked Sammy Hagar better as a solo artists. I felt VH was the same with him. It seemed they just kept doing the same thing over and over. In all fairness, I guess a lot of artists are guilty of this.
Posted: November 12, 2004 12:35 pm
Van Halen Urges Ex-Band Member to Get Help
Van Halen star Alex Van Halen has urged former band mate David Lee Roth to seek medical help after severing all ties with the eccentric singer.
In a rare candid interview, the drummer dismisses reports he and brother Eddie are planning to reunite with "Jump" singer Lee Roth.
He says, "He needs meds. I am very serious about that. It's that simple. It's not even his fault, really."
"Whatever our personal differences are, there are no bigger fans of this band than the people who are in this band. So we understand why people would love to see that sort of reunion. But that's just not going to happen. Some things are impossible."
"The Beatles will never get back together and David Lee Roth will never again sing with Van Halen."
The group has reunited with another former singer, Sammy Hagar, and are currently working on new material.
Van Halen star Alex Van Halen has urged former band mate David Lee Roth to seek medical help after severing all ties with the eccentric singer.
In a rare candid interview, the drummer dismisses reports he and brother Eddie are planning to reunite with "Jump" singer Lee Roth.
He says, "He needs meds. I am very serious about that. It's that simple. It's not even his fault, really."
"Whatever our personal differences are, there are no bigger fans of this band than the people who are in this band. So we understand why people would love to see that sort of reunion. But that's just not going to happen. Some things are impossible."
"The Beatles will never get back together and David Lee Roth will never again sing with Van Halen."
The group has reunited with another former singer, Sammy Hagar, and are currently working on new material.
Posted: November 12, 2004 1:05 pm
Van Halen rules, they rank right up there with Bubba in my book. I'm glad to see them finally back together and doing something. If the three new song, on The Best of Both Worlds CD, are any indication of things to come.... The next album is going to rock.
My sister saw them in Cincy this year and said it was the most awesome concert she has ever attended and that the band seemed to really enjoy each others company.. Note, she's never been to a Buffett concert.
I wanted to see them when they came to Tampa but it was one month after Hurricane Charley and I was too busy trying to get my life back together and my home back together, while dodging the other three storms. At that time, all plans were on the back burner. I'm sorry I missed it and I was hoping that they'd return to Florida before the end of the tour.
Hey, speaking of David Lee Roth, didn't I hear that he was trying to get a job as an EMT in New York or something like that?
He really must be hurting.
-Tony5150RN, who was an EMT and is well aware of how little they make!
My sister saw them in Cincy this year and said it was the most awesome concert she has ever attended and that the band seemed to really enjoy each others company.. Note, she's never been to a Buffett concert.
I wanted to see them when they came to Tampa but it was one month after Hurricane Charley and I was too busy trying to get my life back together and my home back together, while dodging the other three storms. At that time, all plans were on the back burner. I'm sorry I missed it and I was hoping that they'd return to Florida before the end of the tour.Hey, speaking of David Lee Roth, didn't I hear that he was trying to get a job as an EMT in New York or something like that?
He really must be hurting.-Tony5150RN, who was an EMT and is well aware of how little they make!