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ph4ever wrote:

Jahfin wrote:

rednekkPH wrote:

Jahfin wrote: Without the Ramones, the Clash, the Sex Pistols or any of the other prominent punk rock bands of the mid to late 70s you would of never had the post punk period that followed that gave birth to such bands as U2, R.E.M., or the Cure.

That's reason enough to keep them off the list.

Just because you don't like those bands doesn't mean the Ramones or any other punk rock band shouldn't be included. I admittedly am not a fan of punk rock but it's a very vital part of music history that did happen and who's repercussions are still being felt. Some of you don't seem to be too happy about that but it took punk rock to knock some of the so-called "dinosaur" bands of the time off their high horses. Remarkably, many of them sat up and took notice. Not the least of which were Led Zeppelin who fans of the Damned at the time. This influence later made it's way into some of their songs, most notably "Wearin' and Tearin'" from their posthumous Coda album.

this statement confuses me. Please explain yourself further.

In the mid to late 70s art rock bands like Yes and Pink Floyd ruled the roost with over excessive stage shows. Many burgeoning artists such as Blondie, the Ramones, the Sex Pistols, Televison, Patti Smith and countless others saw this as rock getting too big for it's britches. Couple this with the social unrest that was going on in England at the time (as far as bands like the Clash and the Sex Pistols are concerned) and you have a situation very ripe for protest. Punk rock, like rock n' roll in it's early days, stood up to authority and questioned it. By this time period rock had become bloated and a parody of it's former self, not to mention the proliferation of disco. Punk took these artists to task and shook rock back down to it's roots, to it's primitive beginnings, before laser light shows, garish stage props and poofy hair.

Jahfin wrote: Punk took these artists to task and shook rock back down to it's roots, to it's primitive beginnings, before laser light shows, garish stage props and poofy hair.

Well, judging by the acts that dominated the 80s and early 90s, punk didn't do a very good job of this, now did they?

rednekkPH wrote:

Jahfin wrote: Punk took these artists to task and shook rock back down to it's roots, to it's primitive beginnings, before laser light shows, garish stage props and poofy hair.

Well, judging by the acts that dominated the 80s and early 90s, punk didn't do a very good job of this, now did they?

I'm not referring to this time period. I'm referring to the mid to late 70s. I also never implied that the mere presence of punk automatically made those types of acts perish but the music community worldwide most certaintly sat up and took notice. By the time the early 80s arrived the after effects of punk were showing up in the form of the new wave/skinny tie bands that dominated both MTV and the radio airwaves, both college and commercial of this time period. I'm not sure what bands you're referring to since you didn't cite any examples but I can only guess you mean hair bands.

I was alive and kicking in the mid 70's. Went to TONS of concerts and bars. I really don't recall punk being a big deal in the Southwest back then. It really didn't gain much notice until the early 80's in the Dallas area.

MY favorties-(And I KNOW not everybody will like who I like-so be it)

1-The Beatles
2-Jimmy Buffett
3-The Beach Boys
4-Gordon Lightfoot
5-Neil Diamond
6-The Greatful Dead
7-Fleetwood Mac
8-The Rolling Stones
9-Emmy Lou Harris
10-The Statler Brothers

ph4ever wrote:I was alive and kicking in the mid 70's. Went to TONS of concerts and bars. I really don't recall punk being a big deal in the Southwest back then. It really didn't gain much notice until the early 80's in the Dallas area.

Nor was it in the small community I lived in but I was well aware of it through publications like Rolling Stone, Creem, Circus, Hit Parader, etc. and from the seeing the Sex Pistols infamous arrival in the States on national television when they came here to kick off their tour in Atlanta.

Wino you know wrote:MY favorties-(And I KNOW not everybody will like who I like-so be it)

1-The Beatles
2-Jimmy Buffett
3-The Beach Boys
4-Gordon Lightfoot
5-Neil Diamond
6-The Greatful Dead
7-Fleetwood Mac
8-The Rolling Stones
9-Emmy Lou Harris
10-The Statler Brothers

Those all s***! And they must be bad choices because I say so!!!!!

Just kidding....

Jahfin wrote:Yesterday I had someone jump all over me because they *thought* a comment I made about today's country music was aimed at them. I suggest before anyone else goes accusing me of being confrontational that you do a better job of reading my posts beforehand. I'm merely taking part in a discussion of this list, just because I disagree with someone doesn't make me confrontational in the least, it means my opinion differs from theirs.

Uh uh.... Don't drag me into this. You've got enough problems over here as it is.

In no particular order..

Beatles
Stones
Who
Dead
Queen
Yes
Eagles
Steely Dan
Zeppelin
Floyd

Ilph wrote:

Jahfin wrote:Yesterday I had someone jump all over me because they *thought* a comment I made about today's country music was aimed at them. I suggest before anyone else goes accusing me of being confrontational that you do a better job of reading my posts beforehand. I'm merely taking part in a discussion of this list, just because I disagree with someone doesn't make me confrontational in the least, it means my opinion differs from theirs.

Uh uh.... Don't drag me into this. You've got enough problems over here as it is.

It's not my intention to drag you into anything, I'm using that as an example of how some of my posts have been totally misconstrued. I have done nothing wrong here. I merely have stated my opinion and have done so in a very reasonable manner. If others are unable to recognize that, there's very little I can do about. As I've previously mentioned, I take part in discussions like this online everyday without consequence, if someone percieves my posts as being "confrontational" or somehow out of line for what should be expected on any message board then I've been severely misunderstood. What you see as me having "problems" here isn't how I see it at all. If I had resorted to name calling or had insulted my fellow posters than I could certainly see where there would a problem but I haven't done that at all, nor will I. If stating one's opinion is a crime at this web site, then I am definitely guilty but I meant no harm whatsoever in any my posts and I stand wholeheartedly behind them.

Stating your opinion is certainly not a crime.. calling someone else's musical taste "*****" is absolutely confrontational at the very least.

BuPHett wrote:In no particular order..

Beatles
Stones
Who
Dead
Queen
Yes
Eagles
Steely Dan
Zeppelin
Floyd

NOW THAT'S WHAT I CALL A LIST!!!! Well done my friend!!!

Caribbean Soul wrote:Stating your opinion is certainly not a crime.. calling someone else's musical taste "*****" is absolutely confrontational at the very least.

This is exactly what I mean about my posts being totally misunderstood and provoking unwarranted attacks. I have not now nor have I ever called anyone's taste in music "*****", for those of you that missed it the first time, here is what I said in the Country Music thread when referring to a list of songs I posted:

"In other words you won't find any songs here about somebody finding another person's tractor 'sexy' or any of the other ***** that clogs the commercial country airwaves these days."

How anyone gets that that statement was directed at any one person is beyond me.

Perhaps because the first line of that post (emphasis mine):

Most the artists listed aren't even what I would consider "country" music, they're the brand of "pop" country that passes for the real thing in Nashville these days.

referred to the previous posters' favorite groups or singers ... most of which are played on "commercial country airwaves", which you so ineloquently categorized as BS!

Caribbean Soul wrote:Perhaps because the first line of that post (emphasis mine):

Most the artists listed aren't even what I would consider "country" music, they're the brand of "pop" country that passes for the real thing in Nashville these days.

referred to the previous posters' favorite groups or singers ... most of which are played on "commercial country airwaves", which you so ineloquently categorized as BS!

This is even further evidence of what I mean by totally misunderstanding what I said. Yes, I was referring to some of the artists listed by the other posters but nowhere in my reply did I single out any one person, I was stating my personal opinion about some of the artists listed. I stand by the fact that the majority of what I hear on commercial country radio today and CMT is not what I would call "country" music at all but the country equivilent of "hair metal", all image and very little, if any substance. That is my opinion, it's not directed at you or anyone else here, it is directed at the powers that be (namely the Nashville establishment and Clear Channel) that only approve music for airplay that has been marketed tested so that it reaches the largest audience possible. That's not just true of today's country music but rock and pop music as well. Just because I feel that the majority of it is ***** in no way implies that you should agree with me, I am only stating how I feel about it.

I think you kids need to lighten up...

Your opinions on what constitutes good music are just that...your opinions.

Those of you that think you know everything are particularly irritating to those of us who do...

BuPHett wrote:I think you kids need to lighten up...

Your opinions on what constitutes good music are just that...your opinions.

Those of you that think you know everything are particularly irritating to those of us who do...

like me.................ok I made myself spew

Yes, who are ya'll kidding? Everyone knows the best 10 artists of all time are as follows:

Slim Whitman
"Boxcar" Willie
Donny Osmond
The Banana Splits
Tammy Faye Baker
Tito Jackson
Tony Orlando and Dawn
David Hasselhoff
Don Johnson
Bobby Sherman
Danny Partridge

* By the way, this post was intended as a joke (Happy April Fool's Day ) and is my opinion and my opinion only and is in no way, shape or form aimed at anyone here. No pseudo modern day country music stars were harmed in this sentence.

In as calm and rational of a tone as I can get... Jahfin- you come across as arrogant and self-righteous, especially about music, musical taste and musical knowledge. You're going to attract dissenters to the the many, many threads you post...which is usually regarding lastest news in music media. The thing is that you evidently come across as harsh and critical to many people that respond to you, whether you mean to or not.

And I think some people are seeing through your anti-establishment persona and trying to call you out on it.

That's a pure and simple observation, right or wrong as it may be.

iuparrothead wrote:In as calm and rational of a tone as I can get... Jahfin- you come across as arrogant and self-righteous, especially about music, musical taste and musical knowledge. You're going to attract dissenters to the the many, many threads you post...which is usually regarding lastest news in music media. The thing is that you evidently come across as harsh and critical to many people that respond to you, whether you mean to or not.

And I think some people are seeing through your anti-establishment persona and trying to call you out on it.

That's a pure and simple observation, right or wrong as it may be.

Wrong it is. I am none of the things you suggest. I just happen to be an outspoken person about how I feel about today's music scene. I turned off the radio years ago out of disgust, especially when newer artists weren't getting the airplay they deserved. Now, just about all you get are the market tested, demographically proven artists that have been sucked dry of any artistic intergrity they may of had to start with. If that bothers people, so be it, but it is how I feel. If you disagree with me, that's fine, I'm not seeking approval, I've only stated my opinion. For that, I have had people go back through my posts in an attempt to find things that simply are not there or worse yet, stoop to the very tactics they've accused me of in an attempt to make me angry. None of this has happened and it isn't going to happen. I have very strong convictions about music and other issues which have been misunderstood as arrogrance and self-righteousness but I have not seen in any of my posts where I've told anyone what to listen to. I have only stated how I feel about the subject.