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Hmm...
I think we are starting something.
Now it isn't just Toby vs. Natile(or howeva you spell it)
its ParrotHeads vs. Toby!!!!
Who will win?

(WE WILL) More than 100,000,000 parrothead's vs. one guy!

Ilph wrote:When I worked for a radio station, I got to spend some time with TK after his show in Southern Illinois a few years ago (before he was huge) and he was horrible to everyone there. So pompous and rude. We actually left early because we didn't want to be around him. So, I thank him for supporting our troops and tip my hat to his actions, but from my standpoint, I don't care for him too much.

that's disappointing, but I guess not surprising. certainly takes him down several notches, for me. I can't stand it when "important" people treat "little" people like crap.......

This reminds all toom uch of the chesney thread, i get the feeling that some of the parrotheads don't like modern country, and or Jimmy leaning toward the direction of modern country. I dont think you can call it ph's vs. tk because im sure like myself there are others who like toby. If you can't appreciateh im playing for the troops then you have issues. Plus his new singel whiskey girl is awesome.

I personally don't care for Toby Keith's music or politics and believe he and Buffett are an odd match at best but I think the same thing about Toby's collaboration with Willie. I guess it just goes to show that music is bigger than politics and that performers can set their personal beliefs aside in order to work with each other. I still think "Beer For My Horses" is one of the worst songs (country or otherwise) I've heard in quite some time. Willie must of been into his good stock when he agreed to that one.

phenwayparrothead wrote:This reminds all toom uch of the chesney thread, i get the feeling that some of the parrotheads don't like modern country, and or Jimmy leaning toward the direction of modern country. I dont think you can call it ph's vs. tk because im sure like myself there are others who like toby. If you can't appreciateh im playing for the troops then you have issues. Plus his new singel whiskey girl is awesome.

I'm definately trying to turn this into the bashing that KC took. I am a big fan of country music (new and old), I am just saying that after meeting him, I was disillusioned by Toby Keith. I like a handful of his singles, but I don't plan on giving him any of my money via CDs, merchandise or tickets anytime soon. As for him playing for the troops, I appreciate that because my best friend is over in Iraq, but I can't help but wonder if SOME of Toby Keith's "America - love it or leave it" persona is Nashville created. And I agree with Jah, the Buffett collaboration is a little odd. I dont' see a whole lot in common there. Just my opinion

phenwayparrothead wrote:This reminds all toom uch of the chesney thread, i get the feeling that some of the parrotheads don't like modern country, and or Jimmy leaning toward the direction of modern country.

I dont have a problem with modern country. If I'm not listening to Buffett, I have country on. And TK is really the only country singer that I really don't like, and its because of his attitude, not his music

I've been hearing "new country" refered to as "Clear Channel Country". Why does Jimmy want to be part of that crowd?

I don't have a problem with modern country... I just don't think that Toby Keith brings anything to the table.

Key Lime Lee wrote:I don't have a problem with modern country... I just don't think that Toby Keith brings anything to the table.

How many albums have you sold?

Or alternatively, how many insulting, ignorant, xenophobic songs have you written?

For an example, listen to "The Taliban" on Keith's last album.

Utter garbage.

a1aara wrote:I've been hearing "new country" refered to as "Clear Channel Country". Why does Jimmy want to be part of that crowd?

I think some of the crowd Buffett is working with on this new record (particularly George Strait) pre-dates "new country". Nanci Griffith first started gaining recogniton during what Steve Earle refers to as the "great roots rock credibility scare of the late 80s" when similar artists such as Lyle Lovett, Dwight Yoakum, K.D. Lang and Earle himself first started receiving significant airplay. I'm pretty sure Clint Black arrived on the scene around this time as well and Alan Jackson not long afterward (if I'm not mistaken). Other than Nanci, I'm not really a fan of any of the artists appearing on the new Buffett record but I think the majority of them are more representative of "country" music then some other artists on the scene these days. Of course I'd much rather see Buffett making a country record with the likes of Jerry Jeff Walker, Todd Snider, John Prine, Lyle Lovett, and Guy Clark but they simply don't have the big name pull of the other artists he's chosen to work with.

PHBeerman wrote:

Key Lime Lee wrote:I don't have a problem with modern country... I just don't think that Toby Keith brings anything to the table.

How many albums have you sold?

About 11,000... but that's irrelevant. Albums sold is not an accurate barometer of talent or ability, only of popularity in the marketplace.

But as a songwriter and a musician (are YOU a voting member of NARAS?)I'm certainly more than qualified to critique his craft and in my opinion he doesn't bring much to the table.

You can like him if you want to - I could care less.

UK Parrothead wrote:Or alternatively, how many insulting, ignorant, xenophobic songs have you written?

For an example, listen to "The Taliban" on Keith's last album.

Utter garbage.

That is one of the most entertaining songs on the album. Listen to the lyrics. My son's nanny is from Afganistan. She thought the song was very funny. She and her daughter left when the Taliban came to power. While they were in power, she had 3 relatives executed for "crimes commited" One was her sister who was caught outside of her house hanging up laundry without the full burkha on. You have been misled by the BBC, the Taliban were not a very hospitable leadership body.

PHBeerman wrote:You have been misled by the BBC, the Taliban were not a very hospitable leadership body.

It's a garbage song written by someone failing to grasp the situation.

Key Lime Lee wrote:

PHBeerman wrote:You have been misled by the BBC, the Taliban were not a very hospitable leadership body.

It's a garbage song written by someone failing to grasp the situation.

What is your grasp All-Knowing Lee?

PHBeerman wrote:

Key Lime Lee wrote:

PHBeerman wrote:You have been misled by the BBC, the Taliban were not a very hospitable leadership body.

It's a garbage song written by someone failing to grasp the situation.

What is your grasp All-Knowing Lee?

Again, irrelevent.

But it's pretty obvious that, in that case, Keith took a standard cliched country formula and laid it over an innaccurate third-grade notion of life in Afghanistan. The fact that he implies the Taliban attacked New York or that he thinks only fundamentalist islamic ruling parties oppress women should tell you he doesn't have even his fundamental facts straight.

I'll give him the benefit of the doubt on the patently offensive ethnic stereotyping and assume he's just not smart enough to know any different. At least he didn't write about Little Black Sambo.

And the poor writing is what makes it a garbage song.

Again, I could care less if you like him or not - certainly your right to buy his records. But that won't make me think he's got any ability as a musician or a songwriter.

I guess we just look at music from different perspectives. I view music as entertainment only. There is no more depth than that. If I sought out politica, moral, or social meaning in music I would be limiting my options. Music is supposed to be fun. I even like Lee's music. I own and play "Could have been King" often, and I know that I don't agree with his politics.

a1aara wrote:I've been hearing "new country" refered to as "Clear Channel Country". Why does Jimmy want to be part of that crowd?

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PHBeerman wrote:I guess we just look at music from different perspectives. I view music as entertainment only. There is no more depth than that. If I sought out politica, moral, or social meaning in music I would be limiting my options. Music is supposed to be fun. I even like Lee's music. I own and play "Could have been King" often, and I know that I don't agree with his politics.

Oh c'mom, you LOVE my politics. I'm one argument away from getting you to vote for Lyndon LaRouche. (sp?)

And I agree music is entertainment.... that's why my politics have no place in my music or my entertainment writing.

But if someone attempts to write social commentary into their music they should at least try to do it well.

Key Lime Lee wrote:

PHBeerman wrote:I guess we just look at music from different perspectives. I view music as entertainment only. There is no more depth than that. If I sought out politica, moral, or social meaning in music I would be limiting my options. Music is supposed to be fun. I even like Lee's music. I own and play "Could have been King" often, and I know that I don't agree with his politics.

Oh c'mom, you LOVE my politics. I'm one argument away from getting you to vote for Lyndon LaRouche. (sp?)

And I agree music is entertainment.... that's why my politics have no place in my music or my entertainment writing.

But if someone attempts to write social commentary into their music they should at least try to do it well.

Doing something well is relative. In my mind Keith entertains me well.