Country Fans Anti-Anti-War

Jahfin · Post by **Jahfin** » June 17, 2004 2:30 pm

I was mistaken about Nugent being kicked off the Kiss tour but he was banned from the venue in Houston where he made the remarks. This, coupled with the radio show incident at least show he has a history of making racial slurs. By the way, I may not of immediately had the evidence to back up what I said but I don't go around making claims about things like this just for the hell of it. I would of never even said it if it weren't true.

From livedaily.com:
http://www.livedaily.com/news/856.html

Nugent Barred From Houston Venue After Alleged Immigrant Bashing

by Mark Lewis

April 09, 2000 06:03 PM - After rock musician Ted Nugent allegedly made denigrating and profanity-laced remarks about Latinos at a Houston concert, venue management said that he won't play there again. And the League of United Latin American Citizens plans to register its concerns with Sony Music Entertainment, which owns Nugent's label Legacy, a state LULAC official said.

Nugent, opening for KISS at the Cynthia Woods Mitchell Pavilion on April 1, allegedly launched into a diatribe on stage about Latino immigrants. "If you're not gonna speak English, get the **** out of America," he told the crowd, according to pavilion president David Gottlieb, who was at the concert. Gottlieb added that Nugent's use of the word "faggot" throughout the show was also a factor.

"We feel that when people spend good money on a concert, they shouldn't have to be abused because of their ethnicity, race or lifestyle," Gottlieb said. This is the first time in its 11-year history that the non-profit venue has made the decision to bar a performer, he added.

Following the concert, Nugent reiterated his position on immigrants when he spoke to the Houston Chronicle on Wednesday (4/5). "If you're going to be an asset to America," Nugent said, "it would only be logical to speak the language. How can you be a benefit to your family, neighborhood or country if you can't speak to your fellow citizens? C'mon, if you can't speak English, get out of America."

Some media sources reported that the League of United Latin American Citizens, which has 115,000 members nationwide and 250 councils in Texas, would organize a national boycott of future Nugent concerts.

But according to Texas LULAC chief of staff Denise Nuño, the league is not planning a state or national boycott. (A spokesperson at LULAC's national office said that all activities related to Nugent were being handled by Texas councils.) Instead, LULAC plans to notify other cities about Nugent's remarks and to contact Nugent's record label Legacy, the Sony-owned label which has re-released many of Nugent's Epic label albums from the "70s. The league also plans to notify Sony's corporate headquarters about its concerns.

"I don't believe there's a sponsor in the world that wants to associate themselves with that kind of activity," Nuño said. "There's a lot of buying power in the Hispanic community."

She also said that her group was not trying to stifle Nugent's right to free speech.

"LULAC serves to protect the civil rights of all Americans... It [the concert] was a poor forum for him to use--we object to that. Role models should promote civil rights and social unity. His comments promote immigration bashing, racial hatred and divisiveness in our country, and that's what we object to."

Nugent's management had no comment. The musician is opening for KISS through April 30.

rednekkPH · Post by **rednekkPH** » June 17, 2004 2:31 pm

Jahfin wrote:I remembering hearing that Ted Nugent was kicked off a Kiss Tour in Texas for making unfavorable racial remarks from the stage concerning hispanics. That's all I really have to go on. If you chose not to believe it, that's up to you but I know what I heard and wouldn't just make it up.

I did some quick research, and he was not kicked off the Kiss tour, but was banned from perfoming in the future at a particular arena in Texas. The comment in question was referring to Nugent's opinion that immigrants entering this country should learn the English language. Maybe not the most politically correct opinion going, but far from racist.

rednekkPH · Post by **rednekkPH** » June 17, 2004 2:33 pm

The article you posted was the one I just read. It's not racist. And the story of the DJs isn't exactly credible. Can you say publicity stunt? Probably the only way these guys could get their name out.

Key Lime Lee · Post by **Key Lime Lee** » June 17, 2004 2:42 pm

If the extent of his comments was about being required to learn the native language of the country you're imigrating to then methinks a few folks need to get a thicker skin.... I vote with Frank on this one - not exactly racist.

ph4ever · Post by **ph4ever** » June 17, 2004 2:58 pm

I'm with Frank and Lee. I wasn't at that particular venue however what Nugent said has been voiced by people in Texas FOR YEARS. I agree that it could quite possibly have been a publicity stunt. The demographics of people in Texas who would normally attend a Kiss/Nugent concert alone indicate that the crowd probably wasn't too offended.

3/4 Time · Post by **3/4 Time** » June 17, 2004 3:23 pm

rednekkPH wrote:
3/4 Time wrote: My guess is the song in question is "In America", if thats the case, Im pretty sure it charted. If not, which tune is it?

And even though Terrible Ted's an arrogant SOB, I love his pro-gun toting stance. I wonder, can you be a democrat not in favor of this current war and also be a gun toting fan of the CDB? HMMM......
The song in question is a newer one about Saddam and his sons. He played it live the last time I saw him. You're right about CD being a great musician - but I don't appreciate the preaching he's been doing lately on stage. If I wanted to hear hymns, I'd go to church. I'm also disappointed about him toning down the lyrics on some of the classics But, that is his perogative, he can play whatever he wishes.

As for Ted Nugent, the man should be President.

To answer your last question, yes you can...I am!

Thanks Rednekk, I haven't heard that tune about Saddam. As for preaching your right, Charlie has brought too much of it to his performance ever since he was "saved" or "born again" or whatever it's called. And what's wrong with "I get stoned in the morning, I get drunk in the afternoon"???

Better than "I get up in the morning, I fry chicken in the afternoon" or whatever it is he says now!

Long haired Countryboy used to be my theme song, shouldn't be changed!
But....I'M still a fan and listen to him regularly, since 1974!

And for your answer to my last question: It's good to know there is another person on here like me!

So....when does PA's deer season start?

rednekkPH · Post by **rednekkPH** » June 17, 2004 3:28 pm

3/4 Time wrote: And what's wrong with "I get stoned in the morning, I get drunk in the afternoon"??? Better than "I get up in the morning, I fry chicken in the afternoon" or whatever it is he says now! Long haired Countryboy used to be my theme song, shouldn't be changed!

Last I heard it was "I get up in the morning, get down in the afternoon" . However, it's "I told you once you son of a gun, I'm the best that's ever been" that really curls my toenails.

3/4 Time wrote:So....when does PA's deer season start?

Does it ever end???

3/4 Time · Post by **3/4 Time** » June 17, 2004 3:39 pm

rednekkPH wrote:
3/4 Time wrote:So....when does PA's deer season start?
Does it ever end???

Depends on who's asking...

rednekkPH · Post by **rednekkPH** » June 17, 2004 3:47 pm

3/4 Time wrote:
rednekkPH wrote:
3/4 Time wrote:So....when does PA's deer season start?
Does it ever end???
Depends on who's asking...

Not really, ya just gotta change your weapon according to the calendar:

October-Early November: Archery
Late Nov-Mid December: Rifle
Late Dec-Jan: Flintlock
All other times: F-250

Jahfin · Post by **Jahfin** » June 17, 2004 3:54 pm

rednekkPH wrote:The article you posted was the one I just read. It's not racist. And the story of the DJs isn't exactly credible. Can you say publicity stunt? Probably the only way these guys could get their name out.

That may be so but I made it clear in my initial post that I was going by memory alone. The fact of the matter is, the venue objected enough to what he said to ban him from there.

rednekkPH · Post by **rednekkPH** » June 17, 2004 3:58 pm

Jahfin wrote:That may be so but I made it clear in my initial post that I was going by memory alone. The fact of the matter is, the venue objected enough to what he said to ban him from there.

So, you have no problem labelling a man a racist, based solely on your vague recollections of an anecdote (which turned out to be mostly incorrect anyway)?

3/4 Time · Post by **3/4 Time** » June 17, 2004 3:59 pm

rednekkPH wrote:
3/4 Time wrote:
rednekkPH wrote:
3/4 Time wrote:So....when does PA's deer season start?
Does it ever end???
Depends on who's asking...
Not really, ya just gotta change your weapon according to the calendar:

October-Early November: Archery
Late Nov-Mid December: Rifle
Late Dec-Jan: Flintlock
All other times: F-250

Never nailed one with the ole 1975 F250, but I'm glad cause it's mint and it would F-up the beautiful grill....

Our bow season is Oct-Jan, but we have no rifle season.

Only shotguns for gun season but I got around that by getting a TC Encore in-line muzzleloader. (Basically a modern rifle but considered primative arms). One shot is all you need anyway with .50 cal....

Jahfin · Post by **Jahfin** » June 17, 2004 4:03 pm

rednekkPH wrote:
Jahfin wrote:That may be so but I made it clear in my initial post that I was going by memory alone. The fact of the matter is, the venue objected enough to what he said to ban him from there.
So, you have no problem labelling a man a racist, based solely on your vague recollections of an anecdote (which turned out to be mostly incorrect anyway)?

The subject matter was about Ted Nugent making racist remarks at a concert, the venue saw fit to ban him from there for those remarks. Make of that what you will given my recollection of it and all.

rednekkPH · Post by **rednekkPH** » June 17, 2004 4:03 pm

A '75 F250??? Hell, you wouldn't even feel it in that tank, let alone do any damage

.

And inline muzzleloaders are NOT primitive weapons. Any weapon that has a 100% chance of firing when you pull the trigger is not primitive

rednekkPH · Post by **rednekkPH** » June 17, 2004 4:05 pm

Jahfin wrote:The subject matter was about Ted Nugent making racist remarks at a concert, the venue saw fit to ban him from there for those remarks. Make of that what you will given my recollection of it and all.

I'm sure the venue took the action they did to pacify their thinner-skinned patrons. Consider the demographics of the area in question...

Jahfin · Post by **Jahfin** » June 17, 2004 4:14 pm

rednekkPH wrote:
Jahfin wrote:The subject matter was about Ted Nugent making racist remarks at a concert, the venue saw fit to ban him from there for those remarks. Make of that what you will given my recollection of it and all.
I'm sure the venue took the action they did to pacify their thinner-skinned patrons. Consider the demographics of the area in question...

I have no idea how they arrived at their decision, I'm merely addressing your accusation about me making those comments from memory (which I stated from the very beginning).

3/4 Time · Post by **3/4 Time** » June 17, 2004 4:17 pm

rednekkPH wrote:A '75 F250??? Hell, you wouldn't even feel it in that tank, let alone do any damage .

And inline muzzleloaders are NOT primitive weapons. Any weapon that has a 100% chance of firing when you pull the trigger is not primitive

I probably wouldn't feel it! That baby has a 460 big block in it and lets just say it's a good thing for the duel tanks, except for when I go to get gas.

Yea, that's what I'm afraid of, Ohio changing the laws so in-lines are banned for use during primative arms season. And, in my case during the regular gun season.

I'm thinking of going out with my Bowie knife this primative arms season.

rednekkPH · Post by **rednekkPH** » June 17, 2004 4:21 pm

3/4 Time wrote:I probably wouldn't feel it! That baby has a 460 big block in it and lets just say it's a good thing for the duel tanks, except for when I go to get gas.
Yea, that's what I'm afraid of, Ohio changing the laws so in-lines are banned for use during primative arms season. And, in my case during the regular gun season.

Got a pic of that beast you could share? I'm a sucker for the 3/4 and 1 tons.

In PA you can use the inline during the regular rifle season, but not during the primitive season in Dec-Jan.

3/4 Time · Post by **3/4 Time** » June 18, 2004 12:18 pm

rednekkPH wrote:
3/4 Time wrote:I probably wouldn't feel it! That baby has a 460 big block in it and lets just say it's a good thing for the duel tanks, except for when I go to get gas.
Yea, that's what I'm afraid of, Ohio changing the laws so in-lines are banned for use during primative arms season. And, in my case during the regular gun season.
Got a pic of that beast you could share? I'm a sucker for the 3/4 and 1 tons.

I brought a pic in today, but I need to get someone here to scan it.

Ilph · Post by **Ilph** » June 19, 2004 6:46 pm

3/4 Time wrote:Thanks Rednekk, I haven't heard that tune about Saddam. As for preaching your right, Charlie has brought too much of it to his performance ever since he was "saved" or "born again" or whatever it's called. And what's wrong with "I get stoned in the morning, I get drunk in the afternoon"??? Better than "I get up in the morning, I fry chicken in the afternoon" or whatever it is he says now! Long haired Countryboy used to be my theme song, shouldn't be changed!
But....I'M still a fan and listen to him regularly, since 1974!

I don't know if that's the same song that was banned from the PBS celebration in 2002. That song was called "This Flag Ain't No Rag." It's been a while since I've heard it, so I'm a little fuzzy on the lyrics.

As for changing lyrics in Long Haired Country Boy, what about "But I will take another toke" turning into "But I will tell another joke"