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Country Fans Anti-Anti-War

Posted: June 14, 2004 11:43 am
by Jahfin
From the Raleigh, NC News & Observer:
http://tinylink.com/?jmNFk38Y5n

By JOHN GEROME, The Associated Press

NASHVILLE, TENN. -- Country music artists are hardly united in their support of the war in Iraq -- but you'd never know it from listening to the radio.

While Toby Keith, Darryl Worley and Charlie Daniels have scored hits with patriotic, war-themed songs, others such as Willie Nelson, Merle Haggard and Nanci Griffith released anti-war, or at least questioning, songs that went nowhere.

"Country radio does enough research that they understand listeners are supportive of the military in Iraq and just don't want to get involved with those songs," said John Hart, president of Nashville-based Bullseye Marketing Research.

"I work with 32 stations, and I have not seen one test any of these anti-war songs."

But the patriotic tunes that were everywhere at the beginning of the military campaigns in Afghanistan and Iraq have slowed. John Michael Montgomery's touching "Letters from Home" is the only current chart hit with a war theme, and it is neither an angry call to arms nor a love letter to America.

Hart believes the flag-waving songs reached a saturation point. He also says the continuing hostilities in Iraq and recent prison abuse scandal may have tempered the enthusiasm expressed early in the conflict.

"Artists are hesitant to release anything right now that they think might be overkill," Hart said.

Patriotism is a strong undercurrent to this week's Country Music Association Music Festival, which runs through Sunday in Nashville.

In addition to donating tickets to soldiers in the 101st Airborne Division at Fort Campbell, CMA will also hold a reunion of entertainers who performed for troops in Iraq last December.

Liberal comedian and author Al Franken said the backlash against the Dixie Chicks after lead singer Natalie Maines criticized President Bush had "a chilling effect on what people felt they could or couldn't say" in country music.

"And that's too bad," Franken said. "I think people should be free to express their politics."

Worley, too, cited the Dixie Chicks' incident.

"They made a pretty strong statement about the president, and we haven't heard much of them on country radio either. There is a silent majority in this country, and it is a whole lot stronger than people might think."

Country artists are regarded as more conservative than those in other genres, but there are exceptions. Alt-country icons Emmylou Harris, Steve Earle, Rosanne Cash and Lucinda Williams lent their names to a petition by the protest group Musicians United to Win Without War. Respected songwriters Rodney Crowell and The Mavericks' Raul Malo have been frank about their opposition to the president. A new group called the Music Row Democrats formed this year to give a political voice to country songwriters, musicians, producers and record executives.

Still, the few country songs that have express reservations about Iraq have failed to click.

Market researcher Hart thinks that is because of the conservative tilt of country audiences.

"I've been in country music since 1972, and I think every conflict is that way," said Hart, a Vietnam veteran. "Every time we bomb somebody it's 'Hell yeah!' Let's kick their ... ' That's where country music is coming from."

Posted: June 14, 2004 9:33 pm
by Ilph
While I would hardly disagree with the majority of this article. I would like to point out a few inaccuracies in the article.

First of all, the Charlie Daniels song was hardly a hit. I don't even know if it charted. The only reason that it got publicity is because PBS (I think) wouldn't let him perform it on some special a while ago and Bill O'Reilly picked up on it.

And the second, which not too many people know, is about the Dixie Chicks "backlash." I'm not a big fan of them, but if you go look at the stations that held the Dixie Chicks CD demolition parties or the stations that knocked them off of their playlist were largely, if not completely Clear Channel stations. CC, which is linked to the Bush Presidency. So, I don't know how much of a fan uprising it truly was....

Posted: June 15, 2004 11:08 am
by rednekkPH
Ilph wrote:And the second, which not too many people know, is about the Dixie Chicks "backlash." I'm not a big fan of them, but if you go look at the stations that held the Dixie Chicks CD demolition parties or the stations that knocked them off of their playlist were largely, if not completely Clear Channel stations. CC, which is linked to the Bush Presidency. So, I don't know how much of a fan uprising it truly was....
Yup. They're still selling out shows. Never taken off the radio playlists around here either...even on the CC stations.

Posted: June 15, 2004 11:15 am
by Key Lime Lee
For my money the Charlie Daniels internet rant about anti-war protesters was priceless... proof enough that Charlie killed off his last functioning brain cells years ago. Wish I still had a copy...

Posted: June 15, 2004 11:31 am
by rednekkPH
Key Lime Lee wrote:For my money the Charlie Daniels internet rant about anti-war protesters was priceless... proof enough that Charlie killed off his last functioning brain cells years ago. Wish I still had a copy...
This the one you're looking for?
http://www.charliedaniels.com/soapbox/03/233.html

Posted: June 15, 2004 1:13 pm
by ph4ever
I think the best song that relates to war right now is John Michael Montgomery's "Letters from Home". Gets to me every time I hear it

Posted: June 15, 2004 6:21 pm
by Ilph
rednekkPH wrote:
Ilph wrote:And the second, which not too many people know, is about the Dixie Chicks "backlash." I'm not a big fan of them, but if you go look at the stations that held the Dixie Chicks CD demolition parties or the stations that knocked them off of their playlist were largely, if not completely Clear Channel stations. CC, which is linked to the Bush Presidency. So, I don't know how much of a fan uprising it truly was....
Yup. They're still selling out shows. Never taken off the radio playlists around here either...even on the CC stations.
Proof positive that the news is all how it's conveyed. To hear some people tell it, they were completely done for.

Posted: June 15, 2004 6:28 pm
by Jahfin
Just don't yell for a Dixie Chicks song at a Ted Nugent concert. He doesn't like that. :D

Posted: June 15, 2004 10:27 pm
by Ilph
Jahfin wrote:Just don't yell for a Dixie Chicks song at a Ted Nugent concert. He doesn't like that. :D
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Posted: June 16, 2004 12:54 am
by Air M'Ville Cap'n
ph4ever wrote:I think the best song that relates to war right now is John Michael Montgomery's "Letters from Home". Gets to me every time I hear it
Great song Image

Posted: June 17, 2004 12:09 pm
by 3/4 Time
Ilph wrote:While I would hardly disagree with the majority of this article. I would like to point out a few inaccuracies in the article.

First of all, the Charlie Daniels song was hardly a hit. I don't even know if it charted. The only reason that it got publicity is because PBS (I think) wouldn't let him perform it on some special a while ago and Bill O'Reilly picked up on it.
My guess is the song in question is "In America", if thats the case, Im pretty sure it charted. If not, which tune is it?

I love the CDB. I don't always agree with CD's opinion (hey, isn't there another thread where there is preaching about people having the right to express their opinion, or is that just for Jimmy?), but he is a good musician and a hell of a fiddle player.

And even though Terrible Ted's an arrogant SOB, I love his pro-gun toting stance. I wonder, can you be a democrat not in favor of this current war and also be a gun toting fan of the CDB? HMMM...... :lol:

Posted: June 17, 2004 12:16 pm
by rednekkPH
3/4 Time wrote: My guess is the song in question is "In America", if thats the case, Im pretty sure it charted. If not, which tune is it?

And even though Terrible Ted's an arrogant SOB, I love his pro-gun toting stance. I wonder, can you be a democrat not in favor of this current war and also be a gun toting fan of the CDB? HMMM...... :lol:
The song in question is a newer one about Saddam and his sons. He played it live the last time I saw him. You're right about CD being a great musician - but I don't appreciate the preaching he's been doing lately on stage. If I wanted to hear hymns, I'd go to church. I'm also disappointed about him toning down the lyrics on some of the classics But, that is his perogative, he can play whatever he wishes.

As for Ted Nugent, the man should be President.

To answer your last question, yes you can...I am!

Posted: June 17, 2004 12:25 pm
by RinglingRingling
but I don't appreciate the preaching he's been doing lately on stage. If I wanted to hear hymns, I'd go to church.

Oddly enough, this is what the right-wing was screaming about when the Dixie Chicks caused their flap. Personally, I go to the show to hear the music. Some of the musicians have similar views as mine, some do not. None are 100% congruent with me.

Other than BB King, there is not an artist out there that I have actually vowed not to see.

Posted: June 17, 2004 1:14 pm
by Jahfin
With the outright hatred Ted has expressed for minorities in the past (something for which he as kicked off of a fairly recent Kiss tour for), I sure wouldn't want to see him in the White House. I still like his music but I can't say I agree with him on his political stance.

Posted: June 17, 2004 1:38 pm
by rednekkPH
Jahfin wrote:With the outright hatred Ted has expressed for minorities in the past
Examples, please. And please don't cite that "Bad American" essay that has been attributed to everyone under the sun, Nugent included. If you're not comfortable posting them, a PM would be fine. I'm really just curious about this, as I've met him briefly, and while he does carry a hatred for many groups of people, I didn't see that resentment stemming from race.

Posted: June 17, 2004 1:41 pm
by Key Lime Lee
I'd be curious too... although the Nuge and I would see eye to eye on very little, I've never found his rants to be based on any kind of racism or ethnic stereotyping.

Posted: June 17, 2004 1:48 pm
by rednekkPH
Key Lime Lee wrote:I'd be curious too... although the Nuge and I would see eye to eye on very little, I've never found his rants to be based on any kind of racism or ethnic stereotyping.
The only thing I found were some allegations by 2 morning show DJs who claimed he made racist remarks to them off-air. The allegation resulted in a cancelled concert, and a lawsuit against the city.

Posted: June 17, 2004 1:56 pm
by Jahfin
If I remember correctly, he insulted the hispanic community that was rather predominant in the area. Also, if I'm not mistaken, this took place in Texas.

Posted: June 17, 2004 2:02 pm
by rednekkPH
Jahfin wrote:If I remember correctly, he insulted the hispanic community that was rather predominant in the area. Also, if I'm not mistaken, this took place in Texas.
I really hope you have something more tangible than this, considering you labelled the man a racist. A possible perceived insult hardly qualifies as "outright hatred".

Posted: June 17, 2004 2:16 pm
by Jahfin
rednekkPH wrote:
Jahfin wrote:If I remember correctly, he insulted the hispanic community that was rather predominant in the area. Also, if I'm not mistaken, this took place in Texas.
I really hope you have something more tangible than this, considering you labelled the man a racist. A possible perceived insult hardly qualifies as "outright hatred".
I remembering hearing that Ted Nugent was kicked off a Kiss Tour in Texas for making unfavorable racial remarks from the stage concerning hispanics. That's all I really have to go on. If you chose not to believe it, that's up to you but I know what I heard and wouldn't just make it up.