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I have a friend who's a huge Kiss fan. Last week she went to see them at Starlake. She was so excited cuz she bought a recording of the show after it was over. Seems Starlake has started doing this with select shows this year. Now....here comes the good part. She said she saw a sign at Starlake ....had the different artists named that they were going to be doing this year. Guess who's name is on the list? Yep...Jimmy !!! Looks like those of us at the Starlake show this year will be able to purchase them 15 minutes after the show ends. She also told me that you can pre-pay....and then show them your receipt....and BINGO...listen to the show again on your way home. Might be a good idea to do this so you don't get shut out. I'm sure they will sell out fast. I think I heard that different venues were going to be doing this for JB shows this year, but I havent seen anyone posting about this yet. 25 bucks and you dont have to worry about someone recording the show for you. They even have printed jewel cases and cd labels. Sounds good to me !!

That sounds awesome! Call me a Luddite ("You're a Luddite!" -- there, I beat you to it) but how can they have hundreds or even, potentially, thousands of CDs of the show available such a short time after it ends? Even if they limit on-site sales, I wonder how they'll they be able to create, duplicate and package the disc(s) so quickly.

Any techies out there with an answer? A platoon of trained monkeys, each with its own CD-writer?

Just a guess but it is probably not the actual show but a previous recording. My guess is that since most artists do not change their set lists it would be easy to decieve consumers by labeling it only as the License to Chill concert, not specifically Starlake. This is just my take.

This is legit and was started last year as part of the Instant Live series of concert CDs. The first concert they issued was an Allman Brothers Band show from Alltel Pavilion in Raleigh, NC. The bad thing about it is that Clear Channel is now trying to corner the market. Here's an article about it if you're interested in knowing more:

From RollingStone.com:
http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story? ... on=single1

Company to block bands from selling instant albums

In the past few years, fans leaving some concerts have discovered a souvenir far better than a T-shirt: a live recording of the show they just attended. Bands including the Allman Brothers, moe. and Billy Idol have sold instant concert discs, and the Pixies and the Doors plan to launch similar programs this summer. The recording-and-burning company DiscLive estimated on April 12th that it would gross $500,000 selling live discs this spring alone.

But in a move expected to severely limit the industry, Clear Channel Entertainment has bought the patent from the technology's inventors and now claims to own the exclusive right to sell concert CDs after shows. The company, which is the biggest concert promoter in the world, says the patent covers its 130 venues along with every other venue in the country.
"We want to be artist-friendly," says Steve Simon, a Clear Channel executive vice president and the director of Instant Live. "But it is a business, and it's not going to be 'we have the patent, now everybody can use it for free.'"

Artists net about ten dollars for every twenty- to twenty-five-dollar concert CD that's sold, no matter which company they use. But with Clear Channel pushing to eliminate competition, many fear there will be less money and fewer opportunities to sell live discs. "It's one more step toward massive control and consolidation of Clear Channel's corporate agenda," says String Cheese Incident manager Mike Luba, who feuded with Clear Channel last year after promoters blocked the band from using CD-burning equipment.

The Pixies, who are booking a fall reunion tour with several probable Clear Channel venues, say Clear Channel has already told them DiscLive can't burn and sell CDs on-site. "Presuming Clear Channel's service and product are of equal quality, it may be best to feed the dragon rather than draw swords," says Pixies manager Ken Goes. "Still, I'm not fond of doing business with my arm twisted behind my back."

Clear Channel doesn't plan to stop Phish, Pearl Jam, the Who or other bands that make live recordings available days after the show. It has also granted one-dollar licenses to a few up-and-coming bands to record and sell instant CDs of their own shows. But Clear Channel executives maintain that they have the right to stop anyone who tries to infringe on the patent. Many say this strategy prevents inventors from jumping into a marketplace and creating further innovation. "We'd like to see this industry opened up to everybody," says Erik Stubblebine, founder and vice president of Hyburn, a Phoenix company that has sold instant CDs for dozens of concerts in the past three years. "They're trying to squeeze us."

STEVE KNOPPER
(Posted May 24, 2004)

Jah, did you see the article recently about the lawyers who are attempting to overturn a bunch of what it feels are unwarranted patents, including ClearChannels?

Key Lime Lee wrote:Jah, did you see the article recently about the lawyers who are attempting to overturn a bunch of what it feels are unwarranted patents, including ClearChannels?

No, I haven't but I saw some of the stuff you've posted in the thread on this in the Off Topic section that states that Clear Channel doesn't own a patent on the making and sale of live recordings.

It was the Electronic Frontier Foundation... their site seems to be down but they identified 10 overly broad patents to target for litigation.

I remember this in a thread before...sure it's expensive...but yahoo. that's some fast CD burners too.

Reefdiver wrote:Now....here comes the good part. She said she saw a sign at Starlake ....had the different artists named that they were going to be doing this year. Guess who's name is on the list?

I am totally stumped. I have no clue as to what other artist's name could possibly be on that list!!

MIX magazine this month also has a good article on the technology end of this.

Key Lime Lee wrote:Jah, did you see the article recently about the lawyers who are attempting to overturn a bunch of what it feels are unwarranted patents, including ClearChannels?

Sounds like we need to get those same lawyers on the Parrothead trademark issue

I wish they would have done that for the Nissan show....I would love to have a CD of the show I went to and since I doubt that Jimmy would ever release a Nissan show.....I guess I wont get one

o.a.r. had that last year the Instant Live... the lines are long but if you want to wait you can.. or if not you get it in the mail in a few weeks.. its not a soundboard recording but its up near the front.. i liked it because you could hear me scream out a request during the show...worth the price

Instant live is great for artists that have trouble meeting the costs of touring and want to make a better living for the band members.

Money goes into the bands pocket and the one of the only costs is supplies and making the discs. No ads, middlemen, shipments, extra packaging,ect.......

Note: This thread is 2 years old... I assume it didn't happen that year?

I remember talk of it, but don't think I ever saw that it happened at any JB shows.

I have friends who've started doing this, and they're on a small enough scale that they're probably just recording digitally, then engaging a bank of on-site CD burners, to get the show. No patent needed, and it's off-the-shelf tech. Some of them have even started with post-concert DVDs as well.

I've started releasing live CDs too, but I don't have the gear and cycles to produce 'em on-site. Yet.

ClearChannel probably just can't stand having artists actually *make* money, y'know, without getting a piece of it.

Loren

I got an instant live cd from a black crowes concert earlier this summer... I saw a post above that suggests that the recordings are of previous concerts, that is not true. It is the concert from the same night, however the songs are mixed in a random order. The BC concert I was at in oak mountain did not come close to filling up the venue and it was a mad house trying to get the cds, i dont see how they can possibly do it at a JB show
www.instantlive.com will give you an artist list you will notice it is smaller bands.. my money says this will not be done at any jb show