Does anybody else IGNORE the pirate warning...

[RMM]

You have been very nice to answer all of the ones I have asked. I have one more question and then I'll drop it.

I have been all over the Radio Margaritaville website and can't find ANY mention of legalities, copyrights, etc. Don't they have to post it to inform you of such? Otherwise, how would you know that it was copyrighted? If you hadn't told me it is copyrighted, I wouldn't know.

How can you be held liable for something that you have not been legally advised of? Speed limits have to be posted somewhere to be enforceable. When I got a ticket years ago in Texas on my motorcycle, they had just lowered the limits, but it wasn't posted near Austin, where I was. The officer told me it was posted at the state border, a little ridiculous in Texas, as I rarely ever got near the border. I got the ticket anyway, because "it is posted".

Doesn't the same rule apply to copyrights? Otherwise, why is everything that IS copyrighted very clearly marked? Everything I have ever seen that applies has that little symbol telling you it is copyrighted. That is not there on the RM site and I have never heard the DJ's say it is. I have only heard them say they don't want to see concert recordings showing up on E-Bay.

I am not looking for loopholes, but it would seem to me that they couldn't enforce a copyright that they did not post. Just wondering.

[Key Lime Lee]

The answer is because copyright is the rule, not the exception.... the idea of copyrights was to protect creators - as such any creative work (including broadcasts and live performances) is technically copyrighted the moment it happens by default.

Sp the burden is on YOU to find out if something is copyrighted, not on the copyright holder to NOTIFY you.

Do radio stations mention the copyright holder of the song and the sound recording after every song they play or mention that the broadcast off the station is copyrighted? No. Does that mean it's okay to record those songs and distribute them or to record the whole broadcast and distribute it? No.

Literally the instance I finish writing a song it is copyrighted, whether I tell anyone or not.

Putting a copyright notice on something and making people aware of its copyrighted status DOES give the copyright holder more options for damages should someone infringe, in the same way that filing with the library of congress allows you more options for damages. But not doing either one does NOT change any work's status as copyrighted.

While I understood your analogy, it's the exception as well... just because there's no sign that says I can't steal the car doesn't mean it's okay to. The law says I can't take someone else's property. In the case of copyrights, it's up to you to find out if what you want to distribute is someone else's intellectual property. 99 times out of 100 it is.

[RMM]

Okay. That ends it for me. Thank you for taking the time to address this issue and answer all of my questions. You have been really helpful and I appreciate it very much.

[Key Lime Lee]

Hey - I need occassions to share all my useless knowledge...

[mikemck]

Idiocy is no excuse.

But that's the only excuse I have!

[Havaña Dreamer]

AGAIN... Im sorry I opened these worms... but I did get one of my concerns answered. I really thought I knew the answer anyway.

Thanks Key Lime Lee

[JustDucky]

'Copying' a CD is STEALING? Since when? How is it any different than making a cassette (or DAT) of songs from either vinyl or CD? How many people didn't make cassette mixes etc... in the past? Isn't that stealing? When I get stuck paying EIGHTEEN dollars for a record and a blank CD costs the equivalent of, what, 50 cents or something? You better believe I'll make my own copy. The RIAA had a royalty rate for every blank cassette sold. I'll make my own MMIM and make it better than what MCA put on there. Hell, I'll make my own follow-up four CD set to BBBB with all the releases from 1993 to this year plus whatever MCA/Marg didn't release that should've been and a couple of other goodies I have.

How is making a copy of a CD any different than downloading the same thing off the internet? I personally never downloaded single or LP tracks off the internet, I was more interested in unreleased studio tracks (bootlegs) and any live bootlegs, remixes, etc...

That's what really needs to be addressed by the entire record industry. Make records affordable. EIGHTEEN dollars for LTC? I do believe that amounts to just above a dollar a song for this particular record. Now that is funny.

[mikemck]

Make records affordable. EIGHTEEN dollars for LTC? I do believe that amounts to just above a dollar a song for this particular record. Now that is funny.

Where are you buying cd's, man? I paid $12.99

[JustDucky]

See, I moved out of New Orleans across the lake to Mandeville. I'm a musician and for stretches at a time I'm hardly ever home anyway, I have no time blah blah blah woh is me poor me etc... I'm not realy familiar with Mandeville/Covington yet so I went to where I knew I could find it.

You ready for this?

Set your beer down, swallow your beer so you don't inhale when you find out where I got the record for $18 and plus cents or whatever it is:



Barnes And Noble. Of course, Margaritaville is probably selling it for just as much for the honour of being in the Jimmy Buffett Outlett (ha ha) to buy his new record.

I'm guessing. I've seen it for though.

[mikemck]

Barnes And Noble.

BOOOO...megachain...BOOOOO!!!!

[JustDucky]

Barnes And Noble.

BOOOO...megachain...BOOOOO!!!!

HEY! I didn't feel like waiting to go in to New Orleans and get it at Tower or Virgin or Margaritaville. And I wasn't about to drive all over 'God's Country' to go to Best Buy. I don't care where I get any CD, actually, as long as I get what I want. There are no ma and pa places anymore. Not here. It's Big Stores or nothin'.

[Key Lime Lee]

'Copying' a CD is STEALING? Since when?

Copying someone else's CD for yourself is copyright infringement.

Copying your CD for someone else is copyright infringement.

Copying your CD for yourself is fair use.

[bubba phan]

'Copying' a CD is STEALING? Since when?

Copying someone else's CD for yourself is copyright infringement.

Copying your CD for someone else is copyright infringement.

Copying your CD for yourself is fair use.

I do copy CD's, on occasion, but they are for my own use.....just so I don't have to tote cd's all over the place (house, boat, car etc...).

If you wanna own something, just buy it. If you can't afford to buy it, don't. Music is the same as any other product out there on the retail market. Just because you can copy it, doesn't mean you should.

Sooooo, I'm a law-abiding citizen (or try to be, at least).... just shoot me!

BTW, I bought my copy of LTC at Target for $9 and change. Why on earth would anybody buy it at Barnes and Noble for double that??

[mexcooker12]

I myself never read the warning or saw it in the first place because I just downloaded the album from the internet.

[12vmanRick]

Hey - I need occassions to share all my useless knowledge...

Not again..

Hey Lee are they putting some new anti piracy things on the CD's now? I always make a copy of my originals so I can carry the copy around and if it gets messed up no big deal. I make another. For the first time ever on the LTC it poped up and said Copywrited and the program quit. I went back in and tried again and it worked.

[mexcooker12]

Once you buy the cd you can make as many copies of it as you please.

[12vmanRick]

Once you buy the cd you can make as many copies of it as you please.

Unless the company is installing some kind of thing that keeps it from being copied, which is my question. Are they beginning to do that? Cuz if they are they are going to force me to pirate it instead of buying and making my own personal copy.

[mexcooker12]

I dont think they are allowed to do that, I have always heard ocne you have teh cd you can make personal backups, as long as you arent selling them it isnt illegal.

[Key Lime Lee]

Once you buy the cd you can make as many copies of it as you please.

Unless the company is installing some kind of thing that keeps it from being copied, which is my question. Are they beginning to do that? Cuz if they are they are going to force me to pirate it instead of buying and making my own personal copy.

Some companies are doing it... although I vagely recall a lawsuit since it does infringe on fair use. When you purchase a CD you are entitled to make as many backup copies in as many different media as you'd like. You just can't distribute them.

[12vmanRick]

Once you buy the cd you can make as many copies of it as you please.

Unless the company is installing some kind of thing that keeps it from being copied, which is my question. Are they beginning to do that? Cuz if they are they are going to force me to pirate it instead of buying and making my own personal copy.

Some companies are doing it... although I vagely recall a lawsuit since it does infringe on fair use. When you purchase a CD you are entitled to make as many backup copies in as many different media as you'd like. You just can't distribute them.

Thank goodness. Cuz as I stated. I take the original, burn a copy, use the copy. If it gets scratched or broken, I burn another.