Does anybody else IGNORE the pirate warning...

Key Lime Lee · Post by **Key Lime Lee** » July 20, 2004 2:36 pm

12vmanRick wrote:
Thank goodness. Cuz as I stated. I take the original, burn a copy, use the copy. If it gets scratched or broken, I burn another.

Well within your rights - you purchased ONE COPY of the sound recording and are entitled to do what you want with it... as long as you're not giving copies away.

Buffett4ever · Post by **Buffett4ever** » July 20, 2004 2:39 pm

That is what I do also. Worked this time with LTC. The original is in my csae for safe keeping. Then if my copy get scratched or too hot in my car I still have the original to fall back on. I have done this many times when the copy got scratched.

My guess on the copyrighted warning would be that it is the CD burning software you are using. Record Now 6.5 displays this message. Just click past the warning.

12vmanRick wrote:
Key Lime Lee wrote:
12vmanRick wrote:
mexcooker12 wrote:Once you buy the cd you can make as many copies of it as you please.
Unless the company is installing some kind of thing that keeps it from being copied, which is my question. Are they beginning to do that? Cuz if they are they are going to force me to pirate it instead of buying and making my own personal copy.
Some companies are doing it... although I vagely recall a lawsuit since it does infringe on fair use. When you purchase a CD you are entitled to make as many backup copies in as many different media as you'd like. You just can't distribute them.
Thank goodness. Cuz as I stated. I take the original, burn a copy, use the copy. If it gets scratched or broken, I burn another.

mexcooker12 · Post by **mexcooker12** » July 20, 2004 2:55 pm

I think the music sounds better when its free anyways. Free = pirated off the internet.

RMM · Post by **RMM** » July 20, 2004 3:17 pm

I'm sorry, but I can't believe you just made that statement. Do you work for free? Why should they? Do you have any idea how much work goes into a song? Jimmy doesn't just spit those out. He WORKS to create them and he deserves to be paid for it. Also, don't forget that after he writes the song, he has to rent the studio and pay the musicians.

If you enjoy someone's music, you should be willing to pay a reasonable price for it. I enjoy trading for music I can't buy, but if everyone pirated instead of buying commercial releases we would have no music, as no one would be able to afford to do it.

mexcooker12 · Post by **mexcooker12** » July 20, 2004 3:27 pm

Relax, it was a joke. But regardless I really don't care about pirating music and I have no problem with it. Besides I am sure Jimmy is just fine financially, and you really belive 30 dollars for a concert t-shirt is reasonable? How about 80-100 for a concert ticket? 13 for a cd? Get off your high horse if these musicians really cared about the little people and the consumers they would stop charging exorbitant prices for all of their stuff.

mexcooker12 · Post by **mexcooker12** » July 20, 2004 3:30 pm

Also if you remember the movie/television industry first wanted to ban VCR technology for fear of copyright infringement.

RMM · Post by **RMM** » July 20, 2004 3:35 pm

Well, I agree with you to a certain point. I do think the prices for t-shirts and concerts are exhorbitant.

How much of that finally ends up in Jimmy's pocket, I don't know. Yes, he is EXTREMELY wealthy, but he earned it all himself and if he wants to charge for his talents, it is his business. You don't have to buy it. You can simply refuse to.

Try living in the UK, where friends of mine have paid $18-20 for CD's for years. They'd kill for our prices.

Thinking a product is priced too high is not an excuse for stealing it. Try that with a car and see where you end up. Basically, it's the same for music, except it's easier to steal.

Key Lime Lee · Post by **Key Lime Lee** » July 20, 2004 3:37 pm

mexcooker12 wrote: How about 80-100 for a concert ticket? 13 for a cd? Get off your high horse if these musicians really cared about the little people and the consumers they would stop charging exorbitant prices for all of their stuff.

Your ignorance about how these things work is pretty clear in that statement... musicians generally have only a minumum amount of input into the prices, and there's a lot more to what determines a price than you've probably ever bothered to research.

If it's too much for your wallet, then don't buy it. But the law still says it's illegal to download and if you'd like I can run your username, email address and IP address past the RIAA and we'll see if they buy your argument.

Your position is indefensible but I suspect you're just looking for a fight.

mexcooker12 · Post by **mexcooker12** » July 20, 2004 3:40 pm

Enlighten me Key Lime, enlighten me, you obviously know so much more about the music industry than me, please oh pelase impart some of your infinite wisdom upon my naive ears

mexcooker12 · Post by **mexcooker12** » July 20, 2004 3:41 pm

I thought you were a liberal why are you so uptight, relax.

Key Lime Lee · Post by **Key Lime Lee** » July 20, 2004 3:45 pm

mexcooker12 wrote:Enlighten me Key Lime, enlighten me, you obviously know so much more about the music industry than me, please oh pelase impart some of your infinite wisdom upon my naive ears

First, learn to use the SEARCH function... ticket pricing, CD pricing and merch pricing has all been covered in other forums here...

If you have specific questions, I'd be happy to answer them for you.

It's not just about Jimmy - it's also about guys like Will Kimborough. Frankly he deserves his 4.5 cents.

mexcooker12 · Post by **mexcooker12** » July 20, 2004 3:48 pm

My point is that at a Buffet Show I am spending 30 on a shirt, 70 on ticket, and percentage wise Jimmy is the one receiving the most out of that. The venues are typically paid through beer/food/parking. Springsteen was making 3 million a concert on his last tour!!! You cant tell me the artists dont have an impact on pricing.

Key Lime Lee · Post by **Key Lime Lee** » July 20, 2004 3:53 pm

artists are not the sole determing factor in pricing... everyone takes a cut. Tee shirt prices are so high because many venues automatically get a percentage of all tee shirts sales - sometimes as high as 40-50%. So what would be a $15 tee shirt has to become a $30 tee shirt for the shirt to net the $15 it would anyway. Subtract the cost of the tee shirt and the cost of labor (assuming the venue doesn't provide it) and the profit per tee is reasonable. Merch is where most bands NOT of Jimmy's stature make their living...

Artists have NO say in CD pricing - that's all labels. But then artists aren't MAKING much off of CD sales. Still, the 4.5 cents per song is enough to keep many songwriters fed.

rednekkPH · Post by **rednekkPH** » July 20, 2004 3:59 pm

At least when Robin Hood stole from the rich, he gave to the poor...you're just keeping it for yourself.

mexcooker12 · Post by **mexcooker12** » July 20, 2004 3:59 pm

Key Lime, i am not disagreeing with you, but where do you get these facts and nubmers? Do you work in the music industry?

mexcooker12 · Post by **mexcooker12** » July 20, 2004 4:00 pm

I burn the cd's then I distribute them to those who are less fortunate and cannot afford the music.

Key Lime Lee · Post by **Key Lime Lee** » July 20, 2004 4:07 pm

mexcooker12 wrote:Key Lime, i am not disagreeing with you, but where do you get these facts and nubmers? Do you work in the music industry?

Assuming you haven't spent much time on the boards...

I do think CD prices are high... when I can buy a DVD with an extra disc of features for $18. But that's not the artists' fault and you really DO hurt artists when you download rather than buy. There are lots of folks whose paychecks depend, in part, on CD sales.

Besides, it's against the law.

Parrot Monkey · Post by **Parrot Monkey** » July 20, 2004 4:09 pm

I’m no huge fan of the RIAA, with their sudden attack on peer to peer users last year and all. But still, there is absolutely no way I am for free downloads that were not approved by the artist or the label. See, idiocy is the huge issue here. When people found out about programs like Napster, Audio Galaxy, Limewire, Kazaa etc., they thought “wow, I can get music for free, how awesome!” Do you think they sat down and thought about what they were doing even once? I’m not saying that covers everyone who ever used a server based or peer to peer program to acquire music, I’m sure there were plenty out there who knew it was illegal and continued to file share without shame.

I’m not saying the RIAA shouldn’t have taken any action, I just think they should have announced their plans to attack better with using methods like television commercials and internet ads that took time educate the many folks out there who are unaware of how the music industry works. Yes, it’s common sense, but that’s not the kind of world we live in.

Kazaa was still good for finding rarities, rare live tracks and out of print material IMO.

For full info on what’s legal and what’s not in the music area, go to http://www.riaa.com/default.asp

mexcooker12 wrote:I burn the cd's then I distribute them to those who are less fortunate and cannot afford the music.

Umm… Sorry, as much as I hate to say it, there really is no exception and it’s still not legal.

mexcooker12 · Post by **mexcooker12** » July 20, 2004 4:09 pm

Pair8Head snet me a link to your website so I am checking that out.

Key Lime Lee · Post by **Key Lime Lee** » July 20, 2004 4:11 pm

Now I'm on the same side of an issue as PM?

j/k

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