Just want to share what I found.

[Parrot Monkey]

PM, I think you're fighting a losing battle, and you should try to accept defeat, at least on the BN front. BN appears to be Switzerland in this war.

As frustrating as it is, you are 100% correct.

I'm becoming annoyed that you're annoyed that I'm satisfied with the "trash" MCA put out. See it for what it is... Jimmy's music. Packaged in a plain brown paper bag, it's still Jimmy's music that comes out of the speakers.

A more professional phrase I should have used in place of “trash” should have been “rushed and cheap CDs”. While everyone believes the whole CDCP series is all about the artwork, realize that there is a rumor that third party master tapes were used in making these CDs. This is the equivalent of say, if Lucas and Speilburg used VHS tapes for the programs of the Indiana Jones movies on DVD. I really don’t feel that I even have the CDs to tell the truth. It’s just not right without the full packaging. Defending MCA for their actions is pointless. They are a huge record company with the money, they did not have to create such low class CDs.

You say you take music at a more serious level than the majority, but that's a generalization you can't back up. I think everything's been covered on the topic in this arena, and can't imagine what else could happen by lobbying here. If you're trying to rally the troops behind you, I don't think it's gonna happen.

Again, frustrating and true.

Why can't you just collect all of the LP's for the artwork you're looking for?

I shouldn’t have to. When I buy an album, regardless of the format, I should get everything that’s intended to come with it. Period.

Mason, Tiki Bar, thanks for the posts. Even though I don’t agree with them, I appreciate the honesty.

babbitphed, I apoligize for causeing your thread to go off topic.

[Tiki Bar]

You're a good kid, Charlie Brown!

[babbitphed]

PM, I think you're fighting a losing battle, and you should try to accept defeat, at least on the BN front. BN appears to be Switzerland in this war.

As frustrating as it is, you are 100% correct.

I'm becoming annoyed that you're annoyed that I'm satisfied with the "trash" MCA put out. See it for what it is... Jimmy's music. Packaged in a plain brown paper bag, it's still Jimmy's music that comes out of the speakers.

A more professional phrase I should have used in place of “trash” should have been “rushed and cheap CDs”. While everyone believes the whole CDCP series is all about the artwork, realize that there is a rumor that third party master tapes were used in making these CDs. This is the equivalent of say, if Lucas and Speilburg used VHS tapes for the programs of the Indiana Jones movies on DVD. I really don’t feel that I even have the CDs to tell the truth. It’s just not right without the full packaging. Defending MCA for their actions is pointless. They are a huge record company with the money, they did not have to create such low class CDs.

You say you take music at a more serious level than the majority, but that's a generalization you can't back up. I think everything's been covered on the topic in this arena, and can't imagine what else could happen by lobbying here. If you're trying to rally the troops behind you, I don't think it's gonna happen.

Again, frustrating and true.

Why can't you just collect all of the LP's for the artwork you're looking for?

I shouldn’t have to. When I buy an album, regardless of the format, I should get everything that’s intended to come with it. Period.

Mason, Tiki Bar, thanks for the posts. Even though I don’t agree with them, I appreciate the honesty.

babbitphed, I apoligize for causeing your thread to go off topic.

No problem. I didn't know I would be opening a can of worms. I do agree that when CDs were issued they should have all the art work, but they don't, so it made what I foud just that much special. If the CD's had the art work, I may not have bought what I bought.
To quote Milhouse on the Simpson..."It used to be about the music BArt"

[Parrot Monkey]

No problem. I didn't know I would be opening a can of worms. I do agree that when CDs were issued they should have all the art work, but they don't, so it made what I foud just that much special. If the CD's had the art work, I may not have bought what I bought.
To quote Milhouse on the Simpson..."It used to be about the music BArt"

I like that quote, and it is still about the music. Well, in this case anyway.

Please realize this battle is not just about mine or anyone else who just owns the CD's personal belongings, but also about Bubba being disrespected. Not only that, but the many other people who worked hard on the albums, whether they be the musicians or engineers, are not faceless people and deserve credit for making the wounderful music we love on those discs. As for photos, photographers took many hours to take those photos just so we can see what the artist was up to and looked like at the time the particular album was in the works. And then there are the art directors who worked hard to ensure the albums art scheme suited the music contained on the album. Last but not least, the dedications. Jimmy dedicated many of the old albums (and particular songs on them) in question to certain people. And now the albums are no longer dedicated to anyone…

[mason]

At a buy/sell/trade record store I bought 16 of Jimmy's albums on vinyl.
The best part is I paid a whopping twenty bucks for the whole lot of them.
It appears to be everything he did from High Cumberlin Jubalee to Off to see the Lizard. With the exception of You Had to be There and Rancho Delux soundtract.
Alas I don't have a turntable, but it is fun to check out the cover, art, photos, liner notes and all the past Coral Reefers.
You learn something every day...I didn't know that Doyal Grisham was with him in the early years.
Thanks for letting be brag of my find, now if I can only brag of having tickets for a NW show I would be a happy camper, but so far no NW shows.

congratulations young parrothead. you have done well, take a bow.
Sorry not a young parrothead, been one since "77, Juat didn't have vinyl, cassettes yes. No offense though.

"hey hey good looking"

member of the parrothead nation

oops...well then....continued congratulations ya old phart. what took ya so long?



"hey hey good looking"

member of the parrothead nation

[hula girlzs]

today in the local book and music store I got a c.d american story teller jimmy buffett 5.95 any body want to tell me more about this for I really have not heard of this c.d been a listner of jb for about 26 years.. mahalo [thank you]

[Parrot Monkey]

today in the local book and music store I got a c.d american story teller jimmy buffett 5.95 any body want to tell me more about this for I really have not heard of this c.d been a listner of jb for about 26 years.. mahalo [thank you]

It's one of the many Down to Earth/High Cumberland Juibilee compilations. Just tracks from his first two albums repackaged, nothing new.

[Parrot Monkey]

PM, I think you're fighting a losing battle, and you should try to accept defeat, at least on the BN front. BN appears to be Switzerland in this war.

Really sorry, but I must ask a question here. What, is BN as a whole fighting for? Making sure Bubba's that classic works that everyone loves remain in such horrible presentations?

Again, I apoligize, but I forgot to ask that in my post back there.

[rednekkPH]

Really sorry, but I must ask a question here. What, is BN as a whole fighting for? Making sure Bubba's that classic works that everyone loves remain in such horrible presentations?

Again, I apoligize, but I forgot to ask that in my post back there.

I can only speak for myself here, but I don't think we're fighting for or against anything. Speaking again for myself only, the issues you bring up are just not important to me. As long as Jimmy' music comes out of the speakers when I put the CD in the player, that's all I care about. If the liner notes were there, I might read them once, but probably not. It's just not part of the experience for me. The CD could come in a plain ziplock bag, and I'd probably not notice. I will venture to guess that alot of folks here feel the same way.

That said, I realize how important this is to you, and I respect you for sticking to your guns, and not giving up on something you believe in. However, I think you are going about this crusade entirely the wrong way. It's obvious, for one reason or another, that the majority of the group here doesn't share your passion for this - and even if we did, constant pleas to us wouldn't change a thing. A few weeks ago, Key Lime Lee was gracious enough to offer many suggestions on how to advance your cause. If I remember correctly, he even offered to give you some space on his site for petitions and such. He knows the industry intimately, you should really give his ideas some serious consideration.

Whatever you choose to do, good luck.

[Tiki Bar]

I agree with rednekkPH 100%

[rednekkPH]

I agree with rednekkPH 100%

I think that's the first time anyone has ever said that. *sniffle* I'm a bit overwhelmed

[ph4ever]

I agree with rednekkPH 100%

I think that's the first time anyone has ever said that. *sniffle* I'm a bit overwhelmed

Wow Dude - I actually agree too!!!!

[Parrot Monkey]

Yep, he made some good points. While I just can’t accept the “as long as the music is there” reasoning, it seems that others do. I see it just the same as if they cut out a song. As I said before, it’s not really the artwork that’s the huge importance. It’s MCA’s failure to credit the people (besides the star, who’s name appears on the cover) that make it all happen. This music just didn’t appear on the CDs, there were people (the band, crew and recording engineers) who took long hours to make the music for us and they all deserve credit. And the dedications Jimmy made, I pretty much covered it all in a post above. I know you could look it up online, but that’s not the point.

Sorry, I think Bubba’s superior albums deserve better.

As for Key Lime Lee’s offer, I didn’t deny it just yet, I’m just hesitant because I am pessimistic about the amount of signatures I will get.

Thanks for the good wishes.

[PHBeerman]

Alright here's what I do with each and every CD I buy.

Open
Remove from Case
Listen to music and browse liner notes
Throw case in big box and put cd in more transportable case.

Album art is not what I bought the CD for

[rednekkPH]

It’s MCA’s failure to credit the people (besides the star, who’s name appears on the cover) that make it all happen. This music just didn’t appear on the CDs, there were people (the band, crew and recording engineers) who took long hours to make the music for us and they all deserve credit.

I kinda sorta disagree with you on this, PM. While credit is all well and good, the people who worked on the album were all paid for their work.

When you buy a new car, you don't get a list of all the designers, engineers, and laborers who combined to build it, do you?

[Parrot Monkey]

Album art is not what I bought the CD for

No one does, but that’s not what matters. What was originally intended to come with the album should be there in some form, regardless on who and who dosen't read or look at the printed materail.

[SuperTrooper]

Really sorry, but I must ask a question here. What, is BN as a whole fighting for? Making sure Bubba's that classic works that everyone loves remain in such horrible presentations?

Again, I apoligize, but I forgot to ask that in my post back there.

I can only speak for myself here, but I don't think we're fighting for or against anything. Speaking again for myself only, the issues you bring up are just not important to me. As long as Jimmy' music comes out of the speakers when I put the CD in the player, that's all I care about. If the liner notes were there, I might read them once, but probably not. It's just not part of the experience for me. The CD could come in a plain ziplock bag, and I'd probably not notice. I will venture to guess that alot of folks here feel the same way.

That said, I realize how important this is to you, and I respect you for sticking to your guns, and not giving up on something you believe in. However, I think you are going about this crusade entirely the wrong way. It's obvious, for one reason or another, that the majority of the group here doesn't share your passion for this - and even if we did, constant pleas to us wouldn't change a thing. A few weeks ago, Key Lime Lee was gracious enough to offer many suggestions on how to advance your cause. If I remember correctly, he even offered to give you some space on his site for petitions and such. He knows the industry intimately, you should really give his ideas some serious consideration.

Whatever you choose to do, good luck.

Wow Frank. That statement was remarkably eloquent and well thought out. I agree with you totally.

I think I need to go lie down.

[Parrot Monkey]

I kinda sorta disagree with you on this, PM. While credit is all well and good, the people who worked on the album were all paid for their work.

When you buy a new car, you don't get a list of all the designers, engineers, and laborers who combined to build it, do you?

sigh...

No, but its different with music. If they were credited in the first place, their names should not be removed from the album.

[rednekkPH]

No, but its different with music.

Why? It's simply a consumer product, produced by a profit-driven industry, just like anything else you buy in your daily life.

PM - Don't take this the wrong way - I'm not hassling you, more like playing Devil's Advocate (I'm bored:D )

[Parrot Monkey]

The sad thing is that MCA originally had many of Elton John’s, Skynard’s, Steely Dan and many other’s albums in the CDCP series. And you know what happened? Fans took action and demanded better. I now see why nothing has happened with Jimmy’s oldies but goodies.

ONCE AGAIN: This is no only about album art. That is the obvious part but…

This sound quality on these discs is not the best they could have got out of the master tapes. For Steely Dan’s albums, they used 3rd party tapes for the CD programs, and I have no doubt they did the same for Bubba’s. Turn um up loud, there is a lot of tapes hiss, more than you hear on a 60s Beatles album on CD.

Again, it’s not just about the art and notes, it’s just the obvious part.