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Posted: August 14, 2004 12:49 pm
by iuparrothead
I'm not saying he should be paroled... BUT... the man suffered from mental illness. Our culture and society's consistent reaction to those suffering from mental illness that commit crimes is to throw them in jail. That in itself is cruel and unusual punishment.
And I'm even less sympathetic to Lennon because I don't think he was the straight-forward peace loving prophet that so many people want to make him out to be. He had political agendas and he was doped up most of the time.
But then again... I'm doped up most of the time too, so just disregard my rantings...
Posted: August 14, 2004 1:16 pm
by Key Lime Lee
Champan has never been actually diagnosed with mental illness, in part because he repeatedly has refused diagnoses, treatment or observation.
This explains a lot of his motivation here:
http://www.courttv.com/talk/chat_transc ... eatle.html
Posted: August 14, 2004 1:49 pm
by big hat carmen
Key Lime Lee wrote:Champan has never been actually diagnosed with mental illness, in part because he repeatedly has refused diagnoses, treatment or observation.
Even if, Chapman is diagnosed with a mental illness that does not absolve him of responsibility for his actions.
Posted: August 14, 2004 2:42 pm
by Key Lime Lee
big hat carmen wrote:
Even if, Chapman is diagnosed with a mental illness that does not absolve him of responsibility for his actions.
100% agreed.
Perhaps I'm naive in assuming that in any case with someone who can premeditae a murder that a certain degree of mental illness is not merely assumed but is, in fact a prerequisite.
In the case of Chapman (where the murder was so planned and premeditaed) I don't believe it's about retribution or punishment, but about a societal obligation to keep the rest of the members of society safe from him. And if that requires him spending the rest of his life locked away, so be it.
Whether that's in a prison or a psychiatric hospital is, to me anyway, a largely semantic decision.
Posted: August 14, 2004 4:13 pm
by tommcat327
big hat carmen wrote:Key Lime Lee wrote:Champan has never been actually diagnosed with mental illness, in part because he repeatedly has refused diagnoses, treatment or observation.
Even if, Chapman is diagnosed with a mental illness that does not absolve him of responsibility for his actions.
it does in this country
Posted: August 14, 2004 4:14 pm
by tommcat327
iuparrothead wrote:
But then again... I'm doped up most of the time too, so just disregard my rantings...
we usually do
Posted: August 15, 2004 12:24 pm
by Capt Cougie
tommcat327 wrote:big hat carmen wrote:Key Lime Lee wrote:Champan has never been actually diagnosed with mental illness, in part because he repeatedly has refused diagnoses, treatment or observation.
Even if, Chapman is diagnosed with a mental illness that does not absolve him of responsibility for his actions.
it does in this country
If that is true, then why is Chapman still in jail?
Posted: August 15, 2004 2:08 pm
by tommcat327
Capt Cougie wrote:tommcat327 wrote:big hat carmen wrote:Key Lime Lee wrote:Champan has never been actually diagnosed with mental illness, in part because he repeatedly has refused diagnoses, treatment or observation.
Even if, Chapman is diagnosed with a mental illness that does not absolve him of responsibility for his actions.
it does in this country
If that is true, then why is Chapman still in jail?
i dont believe he was found guilty.as i recall he was found insane and put in a nut house.i could be wrong though