Defend Johnny Cash

[Key Lime Lee]

You're certainly right but in my opinion every American owes it to other Americans not to jeapordize someone elses safety... especially in these unstable times.

So then you would fault the RNC for holding it's convention in NYC in the first place?

[RinglingRingling]

I have no problem with peaceful demonstrations or protest for a just cause. The problem with this asanine event is that with every protest more and more cops and security are being pulled away from protecting us from the individuals who are really putting us in harms way.

Welcome to a free society.... it's not up to us to decide which expression is worthwhile and which isn't - we simply have to allow all of it.

You're certainly right but in my opinion every American owes it to other Americans not to jeapordize someone elses safety... especially in these unstable times.

so by extension, as long as there is an ongoing state of alert, one should never question, object, or disagree with national policy... In essence, policy makers should be given a free ride without any accountability, because of "security issues"?

[ph4ever]

You're certainly right but in my opinion every American owes it to other Americans not to jeapordize someone elses safety... especially in these unstable times.

So then you would fault the RNC for holding it's convention in NYC in the first place?

The simple fact is that for decades wherever there is something "important" happening you KNOW that there is going to be some type of cival disturbance. It's been happening since the 60's. I've experienced it in Dallas as I'm sure many of you that live in major metropolitan convention type areas have. It's not fair for one city to not only reap the benefits from such a gathering but the headackes as well, so all cities have to share thier problems/benefits from such a gathering. If you live in one of those cities either deal with it, plan a vacation during it, or move. Personally you don't catch me anywhere NEAR downtown Dallas during the freaking Mary Kay convention!!!! And I remember the convention during the 80's and the flags being burned and the building I worked in being locked down because of the protesters so I speak as one who went thru the crap of a National Convention and have come thru it ok. To everyone facing the RNC - it will soon pass.

[RinglingRingling]

You're certainly right but in my opinion every American owes it to other Americans not to jeapordize someone elses safety... especially in these unstable times.

So then you would fault the RNC for holding it's convention in NYC in the first place?

The simple fact is that for decades wherever there is something "important" happening you KNOW that there is going to be some type of cival disturbance. It's been happening since the 60's. I've experienced it in Dallas as I'm sure many of you that live in major metropolitan convention type areas have. It's not fair for one city to not only reap the benefits from such a gathering but the headackes as well, so all cities have to share thier problems/benefits from such a gathering. If you live in one of those cities either deal with it, plan a vacation during it, or move. Personally you don't catch me anywhere NEAR downtown Dallas during the freaking Mary Kay convention!!!! And I remember the convention during the 80's and the flags being burned and the building I worked in being locked down because of the protesters so I speak as one who went thru the crap of a National Convention and have come thru it ok. To everyone facing the RNC - it will soon pass.

and the extra hookers will soon head for home afterward too...

[ph4ever]

You're certainly right but in my opinion every American owes it to other Americans not to jeapordize someone elses safety... especially in these unstable times.

So then you would fault the RNC for holding it's convention in NYC in the first place?

The simple fact is that for decades wherever there is something "important" happening you KNOW that there is going to be some type of cival disturbance. It's been happening since the 60's. I've experienced it in Dallas as I'm sure many of you that live in major metropolitan convention type areas have. It's not fair for one city to not only reap the benefits from such a gathering but the headackes as well, so all cities have to share thier problems/benefits from such a gathering. If you live in one of those cities either deal with it, plan a vacation during it, or move. Personally you don't catch me anywhere NEAR downtown Dallas during the freaking Mary Kay convention!!!! And I remember the convention during the 80's and the flags being burned and the building I worked in being locked down because of the protesters so I speak as one who went thru the crap of a National Convention and have come thru it ok. To everyone facing the RNC - it will soon pass.

and the extra hookers will soon head for home afterward too...

that's only the high dollar hookers - the crack hoes will probably stay...

[RAGTOP]

You're certainly right but in my opinion every American owes it to other Americans not to jeapordize someone elses safety... especially in these unstable times.

So then you would fault the RNC for holding it's convention in NYC in the first place?

As I stated in a previous thread the DNC and the RNC in my opinion havn't served a purpose in 50+ years.

[RAGTOP]

I have no problem with peaceful demonstrations or protest for a just cause. The problem with this asanine event is that with every protest more and more cops and security are being pulled away from protecting us from the individuals who are really putting us in harms way.

Welcome to a free society.... it's not up to us to decide which expression is worthwhile and which isn't - we simply have to allow all of it.

You're certainly right but in my opinion every American owes it to other Americans not to jeapordize someone elses safety... especially in these unstable times.

so by extension, as long as there is an ongoing state of alert, one should never question, object, or disagree with national policy... In essence, policy makers should be given a free ride without any accountability, because of "security issues"?

Your using a very long extension . That is not even remotely close to what I was getting at. Let's not forget the name of this thread "Defend Johnny Cash" . These people have just as much right to protest or demonstrate whatever it is they are trying to get across as everybody else and in some instances I find that unfortunate. It seems to me that we have gone from protesting for a cause that we beleive in to protesting "because we can". Look at the DNC in Boston. I witnessed first hand the individuals who were causing problems and occupying the valuable time of cops and security officials who had to deal with them instead of potentially dealing with larger issues... an attack on the city. These were kids 16,17,18 years old who I have a hard time beleiving they even know what the issues are. It's a chance for them to get on TV, act disobediant and only get hit with a minor fine. Any other time they would have been looking at jail time. I'm not saying that this Johnny Cash issue will turn violent (although wasn't Johnny Cash referred to as the Outlaw ) but in my opinion it is a questionable cause during a very questionable time in NYC. I would just hate to see something happen again there when it could have potentially been avoided if our security wasn't scattered throughout the city making sure the Pro Johhny Cash individuals were behaving themselves. I say protest anything you want but perhaps it could wait until after the convention leaves town. This is just my opinion

[tommcat327]

You may not agree with every protest but its importance as a form of expression is undeniable.

even when i agree with the protesters i still believe it is a useless form of expression.no protest or workers strike or march has ever or will ever change my mind about a subject or make me act differently.and i dont think i'm in the minority on that.

[tommcat327]

What Connie said...

We can all have different views of the world without being angry about it.

i'm not angry

[Key Lime Lee]

You may not agree with every protest but its importance as a form of expression is undeniable.

even when i agree with the protesters i still believe it is a useless form of expression.no protest or workers strike or march has ever or will ever change my mind about a subject or make me act differently.and i dont think i'm in the minority on that.

It's not necessarily meant to change your mind - the founding fathers saw protest as an important way for one group of citizens to make other citizens AWARE of a particular point of view or cause. Whether you change your mind is up to you.

[ragtopW]

You may not agree with every protest but its importance as a form of expression is undeniable.

even when i agree with the protesters i still believe it is a useless form of expression.no protest or workers strike or march has ever or will ever change my mind about a subject or make me act differently.and i dont think i'm in the minority on that.

It's not necessarily meant to change your mind - the founding fathers saw protest as an important way for one group of citizens to make other citizens AWARE of a particular point of view or cause. Whether you change your mind is up to you.

When I first moved to Idaho there was an vote to
ban bear baiting... This lady was being interviewed


Stop the Bear baiting!!!!she cried!!!! know why??


she said that we were using fish to bait the bears in (legal but not
as good as Donuts and coke) and we were "teaching the bears to eat fish"

[Jahfin]

As if NYC won't be hard enough to get around next week, another demonstration by a fringe group nobody ever heard of, making it even harder for people to get to work. Just what we DON'T need.

people who go to these demonstrations generally dont have jobs so they dont really know about getting to work and stuff like that.

And just how did you arrive at that bit of misinformation? I know plenty of people that protest (including myself) that are gainfully employed individuals. Protesting is not unique to just Democrats either unless you don't refer to abortion clinic bombings as a form of protest.

i said generally.maybe you missed that part.the majority of professional protesters around here do nothing.unless running back to CT to withdraw some money from their trust fund is considered work
do you people think that protesting accompishes anything?other than getting more people p*** off at you
and no i dont consider bombing abortion clinics a form of protest,i consider it terrorism.

What are people supposed to do when they disagree with our government, sit on their asses and do nothing like the majority of the populace? I see nothing whatsoever the matter with protesting, it's not like it goes against the grain of our constitution to do so.

[Jahfin]

It's BS Threads like this that is driving many away from BN.. Why don't we keep Politics, Religion, Race and other everyday issues away from this place.

That's why there's an Off Topics section to most message boards where subjects like this can be discussed. Do you have the same desire to close off the discussion of those topics in your everyday life? Try as you might, you'll never stop the discussion of these things, they are a part of all of our lives whether people like them or not.

[LIPH]

I say protest anything you want but perhaps it could wait until after the convention leaves town. This is just my opinion

I agree, but if they wait until after the convention is over nobody will pay any attention to them.

[tommcat327]

What are people supposed to do when they disagree with our government, sit on their asses and do nothing like the majority of the populace? I see nothing whatsoever the matter with protesting, it's not like it goes against the grain of our constitution to do so.

THEY COULD MAYBE TRY DOING SOMETHING ABOUT THEIR PROBLEMS,INSTEAD OF WHINING IN THE STREETS ABOUT IT.MOST "ENVIRONMENTALISTS" DO NEXT TO NOTHING TO IMPROVE THE ENVIRONMENT THEMSELVES,THEY JUST GO TO PROTESTS FOR A LIVING.I DO MORE TO IMPROVE THE ENVIRONMENT ON A DAILY BASIS(AS DO MOST OUTDOORSMAN) THAN ALL OF THEM COMBINED.AND I DIDNT EVEN HAVE TO MAKE A SIGN OR MARCH IN A PROTEST TO DO IT

[Jahfin]

What are people supposed to do when they disagree with our government, sit on their asses and do nothing like the majority of the populace? I see nothing whatsoever the matter with protesting, it's not like it goes against the grain of our constitution to do so.

THEY COULD MAYBE TRY DOING SOMETHING ABOUT THEIR PROBLEMS,INSTEAD OF WHINING IN THE STREETS ABOUT IT.MOST "ENVIRONMENTALISTS" DO NEXT TO NOTHING TO IMPROVE THE ENVIRONMENT THEMSELVES,THEY JUST GO TO PROTESTS FOR A LIVING.I DO MORE TO IMPROVE THE ENVIRONMENT ON A DAILY BASIS(AS DO MOST OUTDOORSMAN) THAN ALL OF THEM COMBINED.AND I DIDNT EVEN HAVE TO MAKE A SIGN OR MARCH IN A PROTEST TO DO IT

You couldn't possibly be more misinformed on this topic. What you see as "whining" is people chosing to take action rather than just complaining about it. They do far more than just protest but whereever you get your misinformation from must not mention that.

[RAGTOP]

I say protest anything you want but perhaps it could wait until after the convention leaves town. This is just my opinion

I agree, but if they wait until after the convention is over nobody will pay any attention to them.

these days that might not be a bad thing

[tommcat327]

You couldn't possibly be more misinformed on this topic. What you see as "whining" is people chosing to take action rather than just complaining about it. They do far more than just protest but whereever you get your misinformation from must not mention that.

MY INFO IS FACT.FOR EXAMPLE THE PEOPLE PROTESTING TO GET SNOWMOBILES BANNED FROM YELLOWSTONE PARK.ALMOST NONE OF THEM ARE FROM THE YELLOWSTONE AREA,ARE NOT EFFECTED BY THE ISSUE AND GET ALL OF THEIR MISINFORMATION TO INFLUENCE THE GOVT FROM 30 YEAR OLD STUDIES OF SNOWMOBILES.NONE OF THESE PEOPLE EVEN KNOW WHAT THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT YET LOVE TO PROTEST AGAINST IT.
THIS IS JUST ONE EXAMPLE,ENVIRONMENTALIST HAPPEN TO PI$$ ME OFF THE MOST

[a1aara]

I would like more information on how you can make a living by going to protests? Sign me up. Pay me and I'll protest anything.

[Jahfin]

You couldn't possibly be more misinformed on this topic. What you see as "whining" is people chosing to take action rather than just complaining about it. They do far more than just protest but whereever you get your misinformation from must not mention that.

MY INFO IS FACT.FOR EXAMPLE THE PEOPLE PROTESTING TO GET SNOWMOBILES BANNED FROM YELLOWSTONE PARK.ALMOST NONE OF THEM ARE FROM THE YELLOWSTONE AREA,ARE NOT EFFECTED BY THE ISSUE AND GET ALL OF THEIR MISINFORMATION TO INFLUENCE THE GOVT FROM 30 YEAR OLD STUDIES OF SNOWMOBILES.NONE OF THESE PEOPLE EVEN KNOW WHAT THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT YET LOVE TO PROTEST AGAINST IT.
THIS IS JUST ONE EXAMPLE,ENVIRONMENTALIST HAPPEN TO PI$$ ME OFF THE MOST

That's but one example which doesn't prove your point at all. It sounds like you are look at things just as one-sided at the protesters you accuse of doing the same thing. I don't agree with everything environmentals or PETA, Greenpeace do but they aren't representative of everyone either. Somewhere along the line the topic of saving the environment got designated a liberal cause when it's a nonpartisan issue and shouldn't enter into party politicals at all.