Tax Law

[live2ski]

OK, now, everyone gets one guess on the political affiliations of live2ski and bravedave....

I bet each votes a straight party ticket instead of actually putting any thought into the candidates.

Did you fail to read the very first line?

Actually, I did overlook that. I apologize.

I just believe anyone who votes a party ticket has sold their soul and should not be allowed an opinion.

I think there should be a test you must pass to test your knowledge of the issues before you get to vote.


Flame away, I am sick of uninformed voters. Our city has been trying to get a convention center built for years. However, the current hotels that have convention facilities come out and misinform people every year and it fails. Meanwhile we are losing out on the revenue..

[CaptainP]

OK, now, everyone gets one guess on the political affiliations of live2ski and bravedave....

I bet each votes a straight party ticket instead of actually putting any thought into the candidates.

Did you fail to read the very first line?

Actually, I did overlook that. I apologize.

I just believe anyone who votes a party ticket has sold their soul and should not be allowed an opinion.

I think there should be a test you must pass to test your knowledge of the issues before you get to vote.


Flame away, I am sick of uninformed voters. Our city has been trying to get a convention center built for years. However, the current hotels that have convention facilities come out and misinform people every year and it fails. Meanwhile we are losing out on the revenue..

Oh, it'll be just as bad if it is approved. We had the same thing happen, but finally got the Midwest Express Center. But the hotels refuse to block rooms for conventions being held there, and because of that, the largest annual convention here in Milwaukee (GenCon), was forced to move to Indianapolis. Milwaukee and those very hotels lost a ton of revenue that used to come in every August.

[LIPH]

I think there should be a test you must pass to test your knowledge of the issues before you get to vote.

I think there should be a test for the candidates so they can let us know what they really stand for, not just what the latest opinion poll tells them they should stand for. Before anyone gets their panties in a bunch I realize not all politicians are like that. There might be one or two who don't slither off into the swamp at night.

[live2ski]

I think there should be a test you must pass to test your knowledge of the issues before you get to vote.

I think there should be a test for the candidates so they can let us know what they really stand for, not just what the latest opinion poll tells them they should stand for. Before anyone gets their panties in a bunch I realize not all politicians are like that. There might be one or two who don't slither off into the swamp at night.

Yeah, the ones that did not attend law school.

[tommcat327]

Before anyone gets their panties in a bunch I realize not all politicians are like that. There might be one or two who don't slither off into the swamp at night.

i dont believe that.i'll need proof

[Coconuts]

I think there should be a test you must pass to test your knowledge of the issues before you get to vote.

I think there should be a test for the candidates so they can let us know what they really stand for, not just what the latest opinion poll tells them they should stand for. Before anyone gets their panties in a bunch I realize not all politicians are like that. There might be one or two who don't slither off into the swamp at night.

But isn't it kind of their job to vote the way the opinion polls tell them to?

[tommcat327]

I think there should be a test you must pass to test your knowledge of the issues before you get to vote.

I think there should be a test for the candidates so they can let us know what they really stand for, not just what the latest opinion poll tells them they should stand for. Before anyone gets their panties in a bunch I realize not all politicians are like that. There might be one or two who don't slither off into the swamp at night.

But isn't it kind of their job to vote the way the opinion polls tell them to?

hell no,(keep in mind i realize this is not the real world) but it is their job to tell the country what their stance is and how they will vote on all subjects and concerns.then we would vote for the person who most closely matches our beliefs and interests.
instead they wait to see whatever the polls indicate would be a good stance at the time and they claim that is what they will stand for,until next week when the polls change and they change their stance again.politicians will promise you whatever they need to in order to get elected,and then they will get busy doing nothing but abusing their powers

[Lightning Bolt]

And that, boys and girls, journalists and college instructors, is how the tax system works. The people who pay the highest taxes get the most benefit from a tax reduction. Tax them too much, attack them for being wealthy, and they just may not show up at the table anymore!!!

A fair example, but a classic over-simplification of a truth by the right.
In our country, a VERY LARGE percentage of the wealth is controlled by a
TINY percentage of individuals (including corporations). They are the pillars of our economy from which so many companies are subsidiaries of.
Where else do you think they are going to go??? Back to the island? ...aah back to LTC

[Key Lime Lee]

A fair example, but a classic over-simplification of a truth by the right.

I'm not sure it's even actually a fair example... what it says and the conclusion it draws are two entirely different things. In the old days that would be called "the details" - nowadays it's called "nuance" which, apparently, is used derogatory term to describe any conclusion or decision that actually requires more than a fourth grade education to understand.

In reality the example merely shows that if a flat percentage is deducted equally from everyone's tax bill, those paying larger tax bills would save more money than those paying smaller tax bills. Duh. Saving 5% of $1000 is always going to be more than 5% of $100.

The example attempts to portray this as what folks are upset about when they talk about tax breaks for the rich. Of course that's not true - if everyone got a 10 percent break on their taxes, no one would care that someone paying more taxes got a higher monetary break - that's just simple mathematics.

It also disingenously suggests that the rich are paying "our share" of the meal, since the bill is divided based on what people make, not on what they ate. The subtle implication, of course, is that the rich are doing us a favor by paying their fair share. For the example to be correct, the guy with the biggest bill would be the guy who ate the most (earned the most) and as a result is responsible for his share.

What makes the other diners angry is not that the guy who ate the most saved more $ when a flat percentage discount is applied, but rather the fact that every time the restaurant owner offers them a discount on the meal, it's the guy who ate the most (and thus pays the most) who claims he should get it deducted from his bill, meaning time and time again everyone ELSE pays their fair share of what they should without a discount while one guy pays less than his fair share.

That is a very different thing all together, although I suspect most folks wouldn't want to pay close enough attention to notice the numerous ways the example is dishonest.

Besides which, as Coconuts point out, in tax law the rich don't have the option of not showing up. In this example, if the rich guy didn't show up, he wouldn't eat, the bill would be lower, and the group, instead of being $$ short would only pay what THEY collectively owe.

[bravedave]

OK, now, everyone gets one guess on the political affiliations of live2ski and bravedave....

I bet each votes a straight party ticket instead of actually putting any thought into the candidates.

OMG, You would be so surprised!
(I have never been a registered Dem, if that's what you're thinking.)
(However I am a registered Cynic )

[LIPH]

I think there should be a test you must pass to test your knowledge of the issues before you get to vote.

I think there should be a test for the candidates so they can let us know what they really stand for, not just what the latest opinion poll tells them they should stand for. Before anyone gets their panties in a bunch I realize not all politicians are like that. There might be one or two who don't slither off into the swamp at night.

Yeah, the ones that did not attend law school.

I take great pride in knowing that people who make fun of lawyers are not as smart, or as good looking, as I am.

[bravedave]

I take great pride in knowing that people who make fun of lawyers are not as smart, or as good looking, as I am.

I never make fun of lawyers...
... tease pit bulls, flip off bikers or poke sticks in hornets' nests.

[bravedave]

were you drunk when you wrote this?

What???!!!
Me??

[a1aara]

Isn't it funny how people make fun of lawyers until they need one?

[live2ski]

Isn't it funny how people make fun of lawyers until they need one?

The only people who need lawyers are crooks. I was raised with values.

[a1aara]

live2ski wrote:

The only people who need lawyers are crooks. I was raised with values

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WHAT???????????????????????????????

[live2ski]

live2ski wrote:

The only people who need lawyers are crooks. I was raised with values

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WHAT???????????????????????????????

Explain to me my need for a lawyer.

[a1aara]

I don't know you.

[tommcat327]

if everyone got a 10 percent break on their taxes, no one would care that someone paying more taxes got a higher monetary break.

b******,they would still b**** about it,no matter what.

It also disingenously suggests that the rich are paying "our share" of the meal, since the bill is divided based on what people make, not on what they ate. The subtle implication, of course, is that the rich are doing us a favor by paying their fair share.

while i am by no means rich,in comparison to the welfare cases i'm surrounded by here in my city i'm loaded.so on that scale i believe without a doubt that i am paying their share and doing them a favor by working my a$$ off so that they can collect money for doing nothing while driving around in their escalades

[3/4 Time]

I never make fun of lawyers...
... tease pit bulls, flip off bikers or poke sticks in hornets' nests.

I have and was sued, bit and have the scars to prove it, had my a$$ kicked and was stung 46 times........

But......I won the case, the pit bull was euphemized, the bikers hog was butchered and the hornets met RAID!!!!